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| TiamatRoar 253th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Looking for a good story faq for kof"
, posted Tue 8 Oct 15:19:
There are a LOT of KOF story tidbits out there that we'll probably never know, unless you speak Japanese. Things like why Krizalid is still alive in KOF2k1 or that Art of Fighting 2 was the first KOF tournament and that Ryo won it, then was the one to fight Geese (right down to the specifics of how he 'won' that battle. Geese was kicking his ass then Geese decided to test his deadly rave against Ryo's desperation move, and Ryo's won so Geese decided to leave after that).
Meanwhile, here, we have to rely on completely changed and transformed translations like Eiji being in love with Mai Shiranai and Iori remarking about Mature and Vice's virginity instead of his Orochi power -_-
...erm, yea, I only know a few small facts here and there. I'm too lazy to start up another story FAQ and/or go bother Saiki some more after he's had to research so much Japanese storyline-info already (well, that and in all honesty my interest for the SNK storylines extends mostly just to Fatal Fury and Samurai Shodown, not KOF). As it is, I don't think there is a KOF story FAQ in English that sticks to the true Japanese canon, though Lantis did announce that he was going to try to make one (Good luck to him. He'll REALLY REALLY need it...).
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| DKW
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| "Re(1):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Tue 8 Oct 21:29
Adon - Tell ya what. I can help you, but you gotta tell me exactly what you want.
You see, KOF, like any long-running series, has always been (and still is) a work in progress. Meaning that SNK did a lot of things that sounded like a good idea at the time that they later threw out, did a lot of things that WERE a good idea at the time and later had to downplay, and in general changed and altered and revamped as they saw fit. Let's not forget, too, that a lot of prevailing attitudes that creeped into the series...say, only one person can be the champ, as opposed to a team...did not exist in the early days.
The end result, of course, is that not only is there no definitive story FAQ, there cannot be one, simply because the rules, standards, and conventions have changed so many times.
So it realy depends on what you want. Do you want to know...
1. The fully canon storyline as it happened in the games (taking into account conflicting endings and one-shot events that were later tossed out)?
2. The conventional-wisdom "story", i.e. the "consensus" single, unbroken, definite chain of events (down to only one possible winner for each tourney), and throwing the mechanics of the actual games to the winds (e.g. Orochi can't be scratched by any but the One True Team).
3. The company line, revealed via press releases, public statements, etc., which generally covers everything which happened between games?
4. My explanation?  (Hey, I played these games; my voice counts as much as anyone else's.)
5. A combination of the above or something else entirely?
E-mail me (the addy's on my webpage) with exactly what you want, and I'll give as detailed an explanation as possible. Note: You must use e-mail. I insist on it. I'm not getting into another damn KOF flame war on this board.
homepage - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/dkwff
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| Adon 795th Post
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| "Re(2):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Wed 9 Oct 00:13
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Adon - Tell ya what. I can help you, but you gotta tell me exactly what you want.
You see, KOF, like any long-running series, has always been (and still is) a work in progress. Meaning that SNK did a lot of things that sounded like a good idea at the time that they later threw out, did a lot of things that WERE a good idea at the time and later had to downplay, and in general changed and altered and revamped as they saw fit. Let's not forget, too, that a lot of prevailing attitudes that creeped into the series...say, only one person can be the champ, as opposed to a team...did not exist in the early days.
The end result, of course, is that not only is there no definitive story FAQ, there cannot be one, simply because the rules, standards, and conventions have changed so many times.
So it realy depends on what you want. Do you want to know...
1. The fully canon storyline as it happened in the games (taking into account conflicting endings and one-shot events that were later tossed out)?
2. The conventional-wisdom "story", i.e. the "consensus" single, unbroken, definite chain of events (down to only one possible winner for each tourney), and throwing the mechanics of the actual games to the winds (e.g. Orochi can't be scratched by any but the One True Team).
3. The company line, revealed via press releases, public statements, etc., which generally covers everything which happened between games?
4. My explanation? (Hey, I played these games; my voice counts as much as anyone else's.)
5. A combination of the above or something else entirely?
E-mail me (the addy's on my webpage) with exactly what you want, and I'll give as detailed an explanation as possible. Note: You must use e-mail. I insist on it. I'm not getting into another damn KOF flame war on this board.
OK DKW will do thanks
BTW thanks TiamatRoar for providing the Street Fighter Story FAQ
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| TiamatRoar 254th Post
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| "Re(3):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Wed 9 Oct 05:50:
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Meanwhile, here, we have to rely on completely changed and transformed translations like ... Iori remarking about Mature and Vice's virginity instead of his Orochi power -_-
Tell me you just made this one up. It can't be true.....
Yea, in the US version, Iori just says to Chizuru in the pre-fight dialogue of KOF 97, "You mean these women? They can't even protect their own virginity!" while commenting on how he used Mature and Vice for his own ends (in regards to how he used them on his team). In the Japanese version, he doesn't say that at all and instead remarks to Chizuru that he knew all about his Orochi power all along and thus used Mature and Vice for his own ends to get into the tournament or something like that (memory's foggy on the dialogue specifics but the difference between the two versions is right).
Truth of the matter is that SNK of America screwed up the storyline as much as Capcom of America did to Street Fighter. Sheez...
To Adon:
Your welcome^^ Appreciate the... erm... appreciation! :) The thing got updated pretty recently by the way if you didn't already know that (Rolento's last name, a bunch of miscellaneous details, Zangief's literally gay SFZ3 win quote to Ryu, etc)
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| Gen 792th Post
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| "Re(4):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Wed 9 Oct 11:45
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Meanwhile, here, we have to rely on completely changed and transformed translations like ... Iori remarking about Mature and Vice's virginity instead of his Orochi power -_-
Tell me you just made this one up. It can't be true.....
Yea, in the US version, Iori just says to Chizuru in the pre-fight dialogue of KOF 97, "You mean these women? They can't even protect their own virginity!" while commenting on how he used Mature and Vice for his own ends (in regards to how he used them on his team). In the Japanese version, he doesn't say that at all and instead remarks to Chizuru that he knew all about his Orochi power all along and thus used Mature and Vice for his own ends to get into the tournament or something like that (memory's foggy on the dialogue specifics but the difference between the two versions is right).
Truth of the matter is that SNK of America screwed up the storyline as much as Capcom of America did to Street Fighter. Sheez...
To Adon:
Your welcome^^ Appreciate the... erm... appreciation! :) The thing got updated pretty recently by the way if you didn't already know that (Rolento's last name, a bunch of miscellaneous details, Zangief's literally gay SFZ3 win quote to Ryu, etc)
That sucks that the English and Japanese versions are different. Some of those lines impacted my perception of 3 of the characters, and now I see that they aren't even in the Japanese version.
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| TiamatRoar 259th Post
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| "Re(8):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Wed 9 Oct 19:05:
I don't know why it's only in one source and a really old one at that. Guess Capcom of Japan doesn't really care to yabber on about it. And it's really not something that you put in someone's bio, you know? It'd look kinda silly if among the "Age, Birthdate, Measurement, Nationality, Gender" categories, they had "Sexual Preference". :P
....course, then again, considering that Capcom added "Young beautiful women" to his dislikes later on, maybe they DO care to yabber on about it but can't find any other acceptable way.
I wonder if that's why they gave Eagle multiple sledgehammers regarding it, hehe. But on a side tangent, I REALLY would like to get access to translated versions of all the character specific win-quotes in SFZ3 now, and not just for Zangief. Really interested in them in general. Wonder if SFZ3 for Gameboy Advance has them (Eagle vs Zangief quotes). Doesn't seem right to poke Saiki to translate all 900 or so of them...
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| TiamatRoar 260th Post
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| "Re(7):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Wed 9 Oct 21:30:
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[....I wonder if there's any chance the GBA version will have the character to character specific win-quotes. Probably not, though :(
Hmm...didn't I hear something about SFZ3 Upper for the GBA not having any quotes or endings?
I could be wrong...
SFA3 Upper has win quotes complete with win portrait art, as well as beginning storyline descriptions and bios for each character, including Maki, Eagle, and Yun even. It just has no mid-boss/boss dialogues or character specific endings. Instead, everyone gets a generic "Charlie blows up Bison's base" ending. Well, Evil Ryu gets his own ending due to them unable to cram in the generic "Bison blows up" thing into his storyline but that's it. And the 'bad ending' if you get game over is there, too.
It's Young Women Who Fight? Wow, wonder how a mistranslation like that could have been made. Erm... I'll have to get back to you on that. I can see where it comes from, though, since a lot of SFZ3 was inspired by Sakura Ganbaru and there, Zangief wasn't really happy with having to fight 'little girls' like Sakura and Cammy. Well, I suppose at least I can see how that would be the case more than the possibility of it being mistranslated from "Little women" indicating Zangief had a big woman fetish *goes off to poke Saiki again*
It's not that I want Zangief to be gay. It's that as far as I know, he IS gay. Unless Saiki is either lying to me (don't see why he would) or mistranslated something (which on the other hand is wholly possible, though fortunately not very probable). But anyways, it's just that I really prefer to have in-game proofs about things like this since trust can only go so far in certain cases. So far, all there seems to be is circumstantial evidence. Albeit tons of it that's also very implying, IMHO (even if not to Eagle's extent), but it still wouldn't hold up in court.
...can any of you that speak Japanese by any chance get your hands on the Official Street Fighter 2 Fanbook and confirm whether or not it's in there? I'll be your friend!!! ...argh, but I think that's such an old book so probably not. Sigh. Ah well. I knew that starting a document about truths in a language that I couldn't even understand worth jack squat would be a pain in the ass when I first took up the task. Not to this amount, maybe (everyone always said the SF plot sucked and was nonexistant and simplistic so how would I know it'd be this friggin' massive?), but eh, no turning back.
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| iggy 799th Post
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| "Re(1):Zangief, zangief, zangief..." , posted Fri 11 Oct 02:25
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Just get over it. I actually think its funny that Zangief is gay. Only because he's supposed to be the most masculine, macho guy in SF. And well, he just happens to like men. Ha. Not that gay men are not masculine. But you get my point.
I still have to see any evidence of that Gay Zangief thing, but the thing you say about "masculine guys, machos, etc" has nothing specially intriguing.
Geez, before creating Zangief, Capcom did Final Fight, gayest game ever....
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| TiamatRoar 266th Post
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| "Re(6):Zangief, zangief, zangief..." , posted Fri 11 Oct 12:40:
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Complexity, I don't know, but depth.... I'm not sure the word is well chosen! (stupid laugh)
And I like Zangief as he is now : he is the big stupid guy who has not enough brain to have any sexual life at all.
Actually, Zangief is supposed to be smart. He IS a Russian agent, after all, able to start his own investigation of Shadaloo in SFA3. He's really happy-go-lucky, but there's absolutely nothing in the games to indicate that he's stupid (he's really smart in Pocket Fighter, too, able to save the entire economy of Russia :P). Russians look up to him a lot and he's a hero that the president is good friends of, even. They wouldn't really look up to a 'big dumb oaf' guy that much, strength or not, nor would I think the president would want to knowingly associate himself with someone stupid like that. That stupidity thing is stuff the animes and movies made up, because of the whole 'big dumb brute' stereotype. Really, big dumb brute is Balrog/M. Bison's territory. :P There's more circumstantial evidence that he's gay than he's stupid, even. ...heck, what circumstantial evidence there is that's relevent in regards to the latter shows quite the opposite.
...on a random note, having a brains mean you had to have a sexual life? O_o That would make Ryu stupid, too, wouldn't it? Lots of friends and I think quite the opposite, actually. Gooooo AIDs, having to get abortions, and bringing children into the world when you aren't ready to take care of them!
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| Iggy 807th Post
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| "Re(4):Looking for a good story faq for kof" , posted Sat 12 Oct 15:48
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Yesterday I spotted Zangief in Le Marais, the gay part of Paris. He was drinking a glass of Beaujolais on a terrasse, with 2 handsome body builders. I wondered what they did after drinking the glass of Beaujolais.
Hummm.... Kikkoken, I think you should stop Beaujolais, it's not good for your health. I saw Shermie at the défilés de prêt à porter de Prada last week, she says prune alcool is better for the heart. Also, she said you should not go to The Marais like that, it is not good either for your social reputation. And I asked her about Zangief, she said she didn't know him well, but she loved practicing wrestling with him, because there is no fear of harassment with him.... I wonder what she meant.
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