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| Aku-Man
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|  "Fighting Game suggestions"
, posted Tue 8 Oct 00:24
Yo. This may be a bit heavy for my first post, but...
Well, a friend and I are making an effort to create a traditional 2d fighter, just for kicks and whatnot. Could you give some constructive criticism as to what we have so far?
System:
-1 on 1, best of 3 rounds
-Six button system; lp+lk is throw, mp + mk is dodge, and Hp+ hk is a 'breather attack'
-Breather attacks can be compared to those attacks (the name escapes me at teh moment) in Guilty Gear X...the one executed by hitting Slash and HighSlash at the same time, and another attack from KOF whose name also escapes me, which is done by hitting the strong attacks (can ya blame me? I'm not really a connoisseur of gameplay systems :P). Basically it can be used to stuff a regular with a small autoguard frame, and, as its name suggests, give you some breathing room (by launching your foe to the end corner). If you're quick enough to cancel certain animation frames, you can combo it, or use it to end an aerial juggle.
-The dodge is akin to Super Smash Bros Melee(lol). Depending on the direction pressed along with the mediums, one can do eitehr a neutral sidestep, a backlash, or a forward roll
-Throws are likewise similar: neutral directional motion is a grapple move, etc. They can also be done in teh air, but recovery from these is easier than on ground
-If moves of equal priority hit, they won't trade, but cancel each other out.
-Some characters have runs, some have hops, and all have backward hops
-Short jump, Super jump, and regular jump, executed in tried and true manners
-Air recovery, but not blocking
-Super Bar is proportional to the ability of a character; a top teir character will have a bigger guage to fill than a lower teir one (and if we misjudge the teirs...oy vey). There are three stocks to fill, and you can use one at a time or all three at once. simple.
well that's all for hypothetical gameplay...as for characters, I lack pics as of now but we've made representatives for Japan, China, South Korea, England, United States, France, Mexico, Brazil, Russia, the Philippines, Romania, and even Canada (I also happen to be canadian btw...whee. feel the power j/k).
Well, some constructive criticism, if you will? If I left anything out just let me know.
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| Aku-Man
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| "Re(1):Fighting Game suggestions" , posted Wed 9 Oct 00:01
Exodus:
Are you familiar with the Clickteam product Multimedia Fusion? it's a basic program many in a community of amateur programmers, artists, etc have made games with. (www.clickteam.com) So I guess to answer your question, platform'd be PC (and excuse my ignorance but...what's GP32?)
ZamIAm:
Hahaha thanks for input...welll tus far, in gameplay it's so far conceptual until my codemunkey friend upgrades his computer, but as far as plot, characters, etc, they're more or less developed...in my head and conceptually in sketchbook
Omar:
Thanks...but we've not made any *technical* progress yet, but metaphysically speaking, teh drive is there :)
FuchiKoma:
Well, why not? I'd be willing to take suggestions for maybe some more characters...but since this is just our first game, we don;t wanna overload it, and I dunno...how does a starting lineup of 10, expanded upon by 3 hidden characters, 4 sub bosses, and a boss sound? 18 just might be enough for now, but thanks anyway (btw, you got an art page?)
Juke Joint Jezebel
Well, stylisticly speaking she's not Filipino (as in fighting style because I can't think of anything other than escrima taht originates from that area...) but she's led to represent the southeast more or less 'just because'..that and she fills in the 'aggressive rival' role as well
As for the Americans..lol don't worry. No stereotypes here (otehr than the quintessential Bruce Lee clone, but hey). One is actually a j-rock fangirl on a foreign exchange.
So then..what else would you like to know?
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| exodus 306th Post
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| "Re(2):Fighting Game suggestions" , posted Wed 9 Oct 00:58
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Exodus:
Are you familiar with the Clickteam product Multimedia Fusion? it's a basic program many in a community of amateur programmers, artists, etc have made games with. (www.clickteam.com) So I guess to answer your question, platform'd be PC (and excuse my ignorance but...what's GP32?)
nope, I've never heard of it...
PC is a good choice. But! If you wanted to develop for a console, GP32 is a 32-bit handheld with a 133mhz processor, large screen, and better overall specs than GBA. Programming for the thing is largely like programming for DOS. Code is so simple to port from PC to GP32 that many emulators (SMS, PCE, WSC, NES) have been ported over almost completely in a day. If you want to know more, go to GP32dev on yahoo groups. Ask them any question regarding development and they will gladly oblige.
why am I plugging GP32?? Because currently there's only one fighting game for it >_<
OH and the homebrew community for the system is very active and very helpful. Not only that, if you decide it's coming along well enough, you can license and sell the game. I know those who have done it.
P.S. philipines stickfighting...like in the death-matches, that's an art! The representative of the country could use that technique...
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| justicekyo 341th Post
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| "Re(1):Fighting Game suggestions" , posted Wed 9 Oct 16:46
quote:
Yo. This may be a bit heavy for my first post, but...
Well, a friend and I are making an effort to create a traditional 2d fighter, just for kicks and whatnot. Could you give some constructive criticism as to what we have so far?
System:
-1 on 1, best of 3 rounds
-Six button system; lp+lk is throw, mp + mk is dodge, and Hp+ hk is a 'breather attack'
-Breather attacks can be compared to those attacks (the name escapes me at teh moment) in Guilty Gear X...the one executed by hitting Slash and HighSlash at the same time, and another attack from KOF whose name also escapes me, which is done by hitting the strong attacks (can ya blame me? I'm not really a connoisseur of gameplay systems :P). Basically it can be used to stuff a regular with a small autoguard frame, and, as its name suggests, give you some breathing room (by launching your foe to the end corner). If you're quick enough to cancel certain animation frames, you can combo it, or use it to end an aerial juggle.
-The dodge is akin to Super Smash Bros Melee(lol). Depending on the direction pressed along with the mediums, one can do eitehr a neutral sidestep, a backlash, or a forward roll
-Throws are likewise similar: neutral directional motion is a grapple move, etc. They can also be done in teh air, but recovery from these is easier than on ground
-If moves of equal priority hit, they won't trade, but cancel each other out.
-Some characters have runs, some have hops, and all have backward hops
-Short jump, Super jump, and regular jump, executed in tried and true manners
-Air recovery, but not blocking
-Super Bar is proportional to the ability of a character; a top teir character will have a bigger guage to fill than a lower teir one (and if we misjudge the teirs...oy vey). There are three stocks to fill, and you can use one at a time or all three at once. simple.
well that's all for hypothetical gameplay...as for characters, I lack pics as of now but we've made representatives for Japan, China, South Korea, England, United States, France, Mexico, Brazil, Russia, the Philippines, Romania, and even Canada (I also happen to be canadian btw...whee. feel the power j/k).
Well, some constructive criticism, if you will? If I left anything out just let me know.
if you need help with progamming/animation, i can help with that part.
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| Aku-Man
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| "Re(1):Critique!" , posted Fri 11 Oct 01:43
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There lies a problem. You need to carefully gauge those tiers. Though idea sounds interesting, it could be negated if a character's gameplay doesn't require the gauge at all.
You said Romania for a character, how does he/she fight? Original or "let's just make a vampire". (which I've done [covers mouth])
heheh yeah, but we;ll see about teh supers when we actually get to developments! though if push comes to shove, it'll just be based on stats (which, indefinately, could be a bad thing, for a middle-grounder would have a bigger guage than some kind of crazy uber-pixie)
Well right now probably the archetypical bishounen is the Romanian guy...something storywise in the vein of good old-fashioned right-wing villainy on one part, and this guy wants to prove the strength of the left...uh, yeah lol I've no idea what syle he'd have, but probably one of those 'original' or 'freak' dudes...or Krav Maga for a lack of beter ideas
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| JETT 474th Post
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| "Re(3):Drac is whack+Fuchikoma" , posted Sat 12 Oct 19:13
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...oh my mistake...we already have a freak 0_o (how could I have mised that) who already has said abilities of discontortion and flexy-gymnastic prowess lol ironic
you mean, you have a freak character who does bizarre discontortion/movements and stuff?
well..all I have to say is there is someone already like that, and 30x more original - Zappa in GGXX.
as for some criticism, I see people making characters and stuff so basic. I mean, whares the originality? so they are from wierd countries-who cares. the whole "street fighter/countries/fighters" thing is dead. If you want to get famous, and be the next daisuke ishiwatari (guy who was once a nobosy but because of his ultra creative talents and characters he is now very famous-(at least in japan).
when creating characters think to yourself "is this better then or cooler then *insert character most like it, or whatever hear*.
anyway, like Ishiwatari and I say, (form ggx mook interview) " character design is actually a very difficult thing, many people do it, but only few do it good."
keep it up, I am not saying you or anyone has no chance, but rather to improve and such..... anyway. I am done talking for now.
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| HazZan 757th Post
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| "Re(1):Fighting Game suggestions" , posted Sun 13 Oct 15:00
quote:
Yo. This may be a bit heavy for my first post, but...
Well, a friend and I are making an effort to create a traditional 2d fighter, just for kicks and whatnot. Could you give some constructive criticism as to what we have so far?
System:
-1 on 1, best of 3 rounds
-Six button system; lp+lk is throw, mp + mk is dodge, and Hp+ hk is a 'breather attack'
-Breather attacks can be compared to those attacks (the name escapes me at teh moment) in Guilty Gear X...the one executed by hitting Slash and HighSlash at the same time, and another attack from KOF whose name also escapes me, which is done by hitting the strong attacks (can ya blame me? I'm not really a connoisseur of gameplay systems :P). Basically it can be used to stuff a regular with a small autoguard frame, and, as its name suggests, give you some breathing room (by launching your foe to the end corner). If you're quick enough to cancel certain animation frames, you can combo it, or use it to end an aerial juggle.
-The dodge is akin to Super Smash Bros Melee(lol). Depending on the direction pressed along with the mediums, one can do eitehr a neutral sidestep, a backlash, or a forward roll
-Throws are likewise similar: neutral directional motion is a grapple move, etc. They can also be done in teh air, but recovery from these is easier than on ground
-If moves of equal priority hit, they won't trade, but cancel each other out.
-Some characters have runs, some have hops, and all have backward hops
-Short jump, Super jump, and regular jump, executed in tried and true manners
-Air recovery, but not blocking
-Super Bar is proportional to the ability of a character; a top teir character will have a bigger guage to fill than a lower teir one (and if we misjudge the teirs...oy vey). There are three stocks to fill, and you can use one at a time or all three at once. simple.
well that's all for hypothetical gameplay...as for characters, I lack pics as of now but we've made representatives for Japan, China, South Korea, England, United States, France, Mexico, Brazil, Russia, the Philippines, Romania, and even Canada (I also happen to be canadian btw...whee. feel the power j/k).
Well, some constructive criticism, if you will? If I left anything out just let me know.
There should be my favorite character in it. Gouki/Shin Gouki and Gen, and also Guy.
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| Aku-Man
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| "Re(2):The very reason I will never retain san" , posted Mon 14 Oct 12:51
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Character design is really only a part of the whole. A game can have interesting designs on the characters, but pretty uninspired in terms of play and moves (Rage of the Dragons) With every major martial art already respresented in a fighting game... it's more about making a good set of moves than having a character completely different looking from anyone so far... uhhh anyway way too much free time this afternoon... :D
Sprite!
Well, as this game is a first, I believe that we should hithome with teh archetypes - as far as characters go - before we get more complex, etc. For example, SF2 was successful because it created the cliche's. each character different from the others and held up a certain style of play. The Fatal Fury series, by contrast, wasn't AS successful because though teh characters were good, they didn't really live up to the bar SF2 had raised (note: Im not a Capcom fanboy, just attempting to take an objective view)
I love Daisuke Ishiwatari (sp?) and his GG designs...however, I can't really aspire to be like him because his universe is completely out there. His characters are 300% original and such because of the environment he created. Myself, I'm going for a more down-to-earth approach - more 'classical' if you will - and simply need to fill up the necessary fighter archetypes to firct catch any potential audience and then proceed from there.
Basically, while I'd love to make completely fresh and grand things, first I need to establish a paradigm within the game's universe.
Oyez, and about Zappa...yeah I know he's a contortionist. However, teh character I mentioned is very different, like AKira from VF is to Ryu, despite cosmetics.
well thanks for the criticisma nd withr enewed vigour I shall begin spriting ASAP...will post results whenever I can
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| oroch
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| "Re(3):The very reason I will never retain san" , posted Mon 14 Oct 23:56
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Character design is really only a part of the whole. A game can have interesting designs on the characters, but pretty uninspired in terms of play and moves (Rage of the Dragons) With every major martial art already respresented in a fighting game... it's more about making a good set of moves than having a character completely different looking from anyone so far... uhhh anyway way too much free time this afternoon... :D
Sprite!
Well, as this game is a first, I believe that we should hithome with teh archetypes - as far as characters go - before we get more complex, etc. For example, SF2 was successful because it created the cliche's. each character different from the others and held up a certain style of play. The Fatal Fury series, by contrast, wasn't AS successful because though teh characters were good, they didn't really live up to the bar SF2 had raised (note: Im not a Capcom fanboy, just attempting to take an objective view)
I love Daisuke Ishiwatari (sp?) and his GG designs...however, I can't really aspire to be like him because his universe is completely out there. His characters are 300% original and such because of the environment he created. Myself, I'm going for a more down-to-earth approach - more 'classical' if you will - and simply need to fill up the necessary fighter archetypes to firct catch any potential audience and then proceed from there.
Basically, while I'd love to make completely fresh and grand things, first I need to establish a paradigm within the game's universe.
Oyez, and about Zappa...yeah I know he's a contortionist. However, teh character I mentioned is very different, like AKira from VF is to Ryu, despite cosmetics.
well thanks for the criticisma nd withr enewed vigour I shall begin spriting ASAP...will post results whenever I can
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