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| RugalBernstein 2552th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Samurai Shodown 64"
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A few weeks ago, RugalBernstein posted some vids of SS64 (1&2). I never had the chance to play any of the games in my country, and I wondered if any of you could explain to me the plot of it, if it is placed before or after SS IV storyline-wise and give me all those little details about the story that you might know about. Thanks!
Okay, basic overall storyline for them both. If you have any other questions, ask... Anyway, it's after SS4. For some reason, the forgotten god Yuga has recently been interested in trying to break back in to the real world to punish the unfaithful. At some point, possibly because Yuga had something to do with the devil Ambrosia of SS 1 and 2, he realizes Haohmaru is a serious threat to his return, and sends Shiki to defeat him. Shiki fails, but breaks free of Yuga's control some how. However, Haohmaru is not so lucky, and is actually defeated by Yuga and is enslaved by him ( that's why he's a sub-boss in SS 64 2) In between SS 64 1 and 2, Yuga sent Asura to re-capture Shiki, but he fell in love with her, and also broke Yuga's control. He apparently got Shiki pregnant at some point during this time. In SS 64 2, Yuga has created two copies of Shiki and Asura ( who look, sound, and play completely differently ) to replace the ones he's lost ( they're suppose to open the way to our world for him, or something. ) They get very close, but Asura defeats them, and then Yuga's body, which begins to break down for the second round ( Yuga, who is really a she, never managed to break all the way back in to our world. If she had, she'd supposedly be invincible. ) Asura, who was apparently only a product of Yuga's magic, is now dying because of Yuga's defeat. He and Shiki share a romantic ending, and then he dies. Shiki has her child, but doesn't think she's a loving enough person to take care of a child, so she gives her baby to the once again friendly Haohmaru. THE END. If you have any questions about any of the other characters, ask away ( although I can't beat it with all of them, so I don't know what everyone's up to yet. ^_^ )
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| iggy 748th Post
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| "Re(3):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Mon 7 Oct 10:23
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Can you tell me the storyline of Deku (both of them), Gandara, Seishiro Kuno (the palette swap) and basically any of the new characters?
I know Mikoto is Ashura and Shiki's daughter, and Yuga is Ashura's reincarnation (sort of). And Yuga's spirit, who was in Hamen no Ashura, reincarnates itself in Mikoto.
Besides that, it's again a story of really evil evil people that want to make very very nasty things to the world (Oboro, I think... the old dwarf) and Touma (the blonde rival) is with him (and many other characters). Their final goal is to revive Yuga inside Mikoto, and they sealed Nakoruru, Rimururu and the girls like them. Most of the new characters are either against them or with them.
..... what else?
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| Rid Hershel 3653th Post
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| "Re(4):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Mon 7 Oct 10:46
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I know Mikoto is Ashura and Shiki's daughter, and Yuga is Ashura's reincarnation (sort of). And Yuga's spirit, who was in Hamen no Ashura, reincarnates itself in Mikoto.
Besides that, it's again a story of really evil evil people that want to make very very nasty things to the world (Oboro, I think... the old dwarf) and Touma (the blonde rival) is with him (and many other characters). Their final goal is to revive Yuga inside Mikoto, and they sealed Nakoruru, Rimururu and the girls like them. Most of the new characters are either against them or with them.
..... what else?
Yes, I'm playing SSWR lately and you got it right. Always remember that SSWR is set 20 years after the SS64 games, they're not the same. Look here for some info, too.
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| RugalBernstein 2558th Post
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| "Re(4):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Mon 7 Oct 11:11
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I know Mikoto is Ashura and Shiki's daughter, and Yuga is Ashura's reincarnation (sort of). And Yuga's spirit, who was in Hamen no Ashura, reincarnates itself in Mikoto.
Oddly, Asura and Shiki pretty clearly have a son in their ending in Asura no Zanmaden. No idea where Mikoto came from. Maybe he got a sex change at some point. Hanmen no Asura doesn't have Yuga's spirit in him in Asura no Zanmaden, Yuga is a seperate being. Hanmen no Asura is a slave of Yuga's, and a copy of the true Asura. Maybe you're thinking of " Yuda " , who looks a lot like Hanmen no Asura ( might be him. Don't see how he'd survive Yuga's re-sealing, though. )
Anyway, don't know Deku or Seishirou ( they're from Warrior's Rage, I'm guessing. ) But Gandara is a big purple freakish monster created by Yuga. You see, Yuga takes dead babies and turns them in to various monsters for some bizarre twisted reason, and Gandara is one of them. In fact, Gandara is actually Morozumi Taizan's baby son ( he doesn't take this well when he finds out.. poor guy, he has one of the most depressing endings I've ever seen. ) Yuga has multiple Gandara-type monsters and other sorts of freaks, too, though ( presumably made out of other people's dead babies. )
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| RugalBernstein 2569th Post
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| "Re(7):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Mon 7 Oct 20:26
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Why are the Kazama brothers and Genjuro involved on this?
Don't entirely know what's up with the Kazama bros., I have yet to beat it with either of them ( I'm not very good with them, and.. well, you know Yuga. ) I'll do it eventually. Anyway, I DO know that they're being possessed by the spirits of the fire and water gods ( it's pretty obvious who is getting possessed by which god ) and Sougetsu is still out to kill Kazuki. Now, Genjuro is actually trying to RESCUE Haohmaru in a sense ( although he plans to kill him afterwards ) . He wants to stop Yuga's revival, not because it threatens the entire world, but because Yuga has enslaved Haohmaru. Genjuro wants to break Yuga's influence on Haohmaru, and then duel with Haoh, either killing Haoh or dying ( which he actually wouldn't mind, either. The reason Genjuro hates Haohmaru is because Haoh defeated him in a duel a long time ago, but wouldn't kill him. Haoh was obviously being a nice guy, but this was the gravest of insults to Genjuro . )
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| Dash no Chris
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| "Re(2):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Mon 7 Oct 22:03
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Anyway, it's after SS4.
While we were on the topic of how the Hyper NEO-GEO 64 games fit in with the other entries in the Samurai Spirits series, I thought I'd throw this in. This is the SamSpi series timeline, as found in the guidebook* for the last SamSpi game released on the PlayStation (known in the U.S. as SS:Warriors Rage 2).
1788, early Spring to early Summer
Samurai Spirits {MVS}
(aka, Samurai Shodown)
"The battle with Amakusa Shirou Tokisada"
1788, Summer to early Fall
Samurai Spirits Zankurou Musouken {MVS}
[Samurai Spirits: Zankurou, the Unparalleled Blade]
(aka, Samurai Shodown III: Blades of Blood)
"The battle with Minazuki Zankurou"
1788, Fall to Winter
Samurai Spirits Amakusa Kourin {MVS}
[Samurai Spirits: Amakusa's Advent]
(aka, Samurai Shodown IV: Amakusa's Revenge)
"The battle with Amakusa Shirou Tokisada and Minazuki Zankurou"
1789, Spring to Summer
Shin Samurai Spirits Haohmaru Jigokuhen {MVS}
[True Samurai Spirits: Haohmaru's Hellish Calamity**]
(aka, Samurai Shodown II)
"The battle with Rashoujin Mizuki"
1789, Fall to 1790, Summer
Samurai Spirits {HNG64}
(aka, Samurai Shodown 64)
"The battle with Yuga, Emperor of Destruction"
1790, late Fall to Winter
Samurai Spirits 2 Asra Zanmaden {HNG64}
[Samurai Spirits 2: Asra, Demon-Cutting Legend]
(aka, Samurai Showdown: Warriors Rage)
"The battle with the reborn*** Yuga, Emperor of Destruction"
1810
Kenkaku Ibunroku Yomigaerishi Soukou no Yaiba ~Samurai Spirits Shinshou~ {PS}
(aka, Samurai Shodown: Warriors Rage 2)
--Chris
The short form:
SS => SSIII => SSIV => SSII => SS64 => SSWR => SSWR2
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* guidebook info:
Title: Kenkaku Ibunroku Yomigaerishi Soukou no Yaiba ~Samurai Spirits Shinshou~ Koushiki Guidebook
Publisher: Koudansha
Publ. Date: 12/22/1999
ISBN: 4-06-339359-3
Price: 1365 yen
Page: 88
** the "hen" kanji at the end of "Jigokuhen" can also mean "accident" or "change." Most manga I've seen based on Shin SamSpi have a subplot involving the 2P color Haohmaru depicted as either a mind-controlled victim of Mizuki's sorcery, or an evil doppelganger created by the same. It's been forever since I've played Shin SamSpi, so I don't recall if this subplot was much of an element in the game -- if it was, then that's probably what the game's title refers to as Haohmaru's Hellish "calamity/accident/change."
*** the phrase used here is "saisei-shita," which can mean "regenerated, resuscitated, returned to life; reborn, reincarnated."
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| RugalBernstein 2574th Post
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| "Re(3):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Tue 8 Oct 09:58:
This is really strange, considering SS RPG, which WAS made by SNK, makes it clear that SS 1 and 2 take place before 3 and 4 ( and Amakusa's ending in four makes it clear he isn't coming back, at least for a while, but he IS in 2. Watch the cutscenes. )
And now that I think about it, the first SS 64 has a subtitle, too. I think it's " Samurai Tamashi " . I'll check when I get home.
Update: Thanks for the info on the Kazama brothers, Iggy. When I finally manage to beat it with one of them, I'll fill in on anything else about their ending.
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| iggy 769th Post
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| "Re(4):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Tue 8 Oct 14:20
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This is really strange, considering SS RPG, which WAS made by SNK, makes it clear that SS 1 and 2 take place before 3 and 4 ( and Amakusa's ending in four makes it clear he isn't coming back, at least for a while, but he IS in 2. Watch the cutscenes. )
I thought that at the end of SS4, it's evil Amakusa (the Shura or the Rasetsu, I don't know wich) is killed, while the good one gets free from Ambrosia's power, and that's why in the cutscenes of SS2 he tries to fight Mizuki (and gets his ass severely beaten).
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| Dash no Chris
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| "Re(4):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Tue 8 Oct 15:06
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This is really strange, considering SS RPG, which WAS made by SNK, makes it clear that SS 1 and 2 take place before 3 and 4 ( and Amakusa's ending in four makes it clear he isn't coming back, at least for a while, but he IS in 2. Watch the cutscenes. )
There were 2 things about this timeline that I questioned when I first bought this guidebook at the end of 1999:
1) why isn't the Shinsetsu Samurai Spirits Bushidou Retsuden console RPG included? I bought this game for both Saturn and NEO-GEO CD over a year ago, and still haven't had the time to play them -- based on the couple of guidebooks I bought for the RPG, I've been assuming that the RPG includes events that were already covered by the fighting game series (so including the RPG in this timeline would be redundant);
2) I'd always assumed that Shin Samurai Spirits (aka, SamSho II) was meant to be the last installment in the series (what with Nakoruru's "death" being featured in at least 2 endings, and forming an important element in a very well-done serialized manga based on the game).
Perhaps SNK, with the release of the 2 HNG64 SamSpi games and SamSpi Shinshou (SS:WR2) on PlayStation, decided to do away with the order of events presented in the RPG? I'll have to check my RPG guidebooks tonight to see if they give specific dates for the RPG events.
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And now that I think about it, the first SS 64 has a subtitle, too. I think it's " Samurai Tamashi " . I'll check when I get home.
The Japanese title of SS64 is written with the 2 kanji for "samurai" and "tamashi" [soul, spirit] followed by the phrase "samurai supiritsu" written in katakana with a tilda (~) at either end of the katakana phrase. When I first saw this, I thought:
1) all parts of the title are pronounced (e.g., "Samuraidamashi ~Samurai Supiritsu~"); or
2) the tilda'd katakana phrase indicates how the kanji (the actual name of the game) are pronounced (e.g., "Samurai Supiritsu").
I asked a Japanese friend (who's a huge NEO-GEO fan) how the Japanese pronounce the name of this game, and he said it's simply pronounced "Samurai Supiritsu." I guess the context of the conversation (or the title being written in kanji) indicate whether the game being discussed is the original SamSpi or SS64.
--Chris
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| RugalBernstein 2577th Post
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| "Re(5):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Tue 8 Oct 16:32:
Nakoruru is in both of the SS 64 games, so I think it's more likely they did away with the " 2 takes place last " order, which really doesn't make that much sense, if you ask me. Nakoruru becomes a nature spirit in 2, but with the Japanese idea of a " spirit " , that doesn't mean she can't still be a person, too. SS RPG came out after SS 3, and some SS 3 characters are in it, but like I said, 1 and 2 clearly take place before all the others. Sieger also dies, which explains why he isn't in 3 and 4.
Update: Of course, the other issue is plot holes; every fighting games series has them in spades. We might as well just face up to the fact it really doesn't make that much sense. Most of the so-called " official " storylines people always talk about are taken from fan-made manga, anyway. More often than not, the only real " official " storyline of the games are what is seen in the game itself ( and this often isn't adequate for rabid continuity fans. ) But hey, interpreting the story is half the fun, right? ^_^ Also, I think that many games often have retro-active changes to fit with fan's ideas that the creators latch on to ( Karin Kanzuki and Vega's re-design are the two most prominent examples of these that I can think of )
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| Rugalbernstein 2577th Post
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| "Re(5):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Tue 8 Oct 16:43
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I thought that at the end of SS4, it's evil Amakusa (the Shura or the Rasetsu, I don't know wich) is killed, while the good one gets free from Ambrosia's power, and that's why in the cutscenes of SS2 he tries to fight Mizuki (and gets his ass severely beaten).
Actually, he thinks Mizuki is following his orders ( he thinks he's controlling Ambrosia, not the other way around ) and she just kills him for being impertinent ( he doesn't stay dead for long, though ). A lot of the Samurai Spirits storyline-juggling is more or less entirely based around the fact that Nakoruru becomes a nature spirit in her ending. First off, I don't see why this doesn't mean she wouldn't be able to fight or look/act like a human anymore, especially considering the Japanese have a very different idea of " spirits " than westerners do. Besides, who's to say her ending even happened? Earthquake's didn't, for sure ( he's in 4, and he's in SS 64 1. He's arguing with his gang in Galford's background. Tam-Tam is there, too, but he's just acting goofy. )
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| Iggy 773th Post
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| "Re(6):Samurai Shodown 64" , posted Wed 9 Oct 02:21
about the name of the game, it's only a written way to make difference between the 2 series : if you write in katakana samusupi, it's the first game, if you write the 2 kanji, it's the first 64 game. (and I would call it Samurai damashii, in this case...?)
And about the movies : yes, I saw them all, and I was very excited! I only saw Ashura and Shiki in Samurai Spirits!2, and I really wanted to see what they looked like in their real game! Gandara, Yuga and Kazuki look awesome too! I would like to see Taizan or Suija Sogetsu, too....
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Actually, he thinks Mizuki is following his orders ( he thinks he's controlling Ambrosia, not the other way around ) and she just kills him for being impertinent ( he doesn't stay dead for long, though ).
I'm not very sure about the other games, because my memory is bad and all I say is just checked from AASNK, but about ShinSS, I just finished it many times again on NG and I can tell it : first Amakusa resurects by the power of Ambrosia ("ware, mezametari!") then (with Haomaru, Jubei, Kyôshirô, and maybe some more) the player faces Mizuki, and Mizuki beats the character, then Amakusa comes and protect the player, saying that he sold his soul to the demons, but he is now free, and his soul has been saved by humans. I'm not sure if he dies there, but there are other characters with who you just see him face Mizuki alone and die (and the body of Musashi lays there, and is saved by his mother's sacrifice in Hanzô's ending).
Then in the engind of Amakusa in the 4th game (I just checked) he is sealed (the same seal that is broken at the begenning of Samusupi 2.
BUT, but, Charlotte cuts her hair at the end of Samusupi 2 and has the hair short in Samusupi 4....
So I gess it's like the time concordance between Garou, KOF and AOF, the scenarist wrote it in 2 seconds and forgot to check a few things.
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| Toxico 2380th Post
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|  "What I know:"
, posted Wed 9 Oct 10:24
*.- Sieger IS in Samurai Showdown 4; you just have to finish the game before the time specified to get to Amakusa, either him or Wan Fu will show up.
*.- SS RPG was made by Yumekobo (If I am not mistaken is a close company to SNK that helped them when near the bankruptcy; Yumekobo took over the production of NGP games at some point.
About Yuda: Yuda IS Ashra, resurrected by Yuga; the thing is that Yuga tought that she could still fall on earth by keeping a space "open" in this realm; so she revived Ashra (when you Reach Mikoto with Yuda you can see Gandara holding Ashra & Yuga).
The thing is that Yuga somehow put a part of her in Mikoto (Shiki's Daughter) and Yuga. Thus Mikoto has two personalities; Yuga that wants to find Yuda and Mikoto, the sweet child. Yuda is supposed to have no mind other than Yuga, but later Ashra regains his senses and took over the body.
His ending expressely says so.
About SS WR 2:
What makes this game plot SO DAMN NEAT is that there are several factions, there is the Yuga thing (Mikoto, Haohmaru, Yuda); the Bafuku side (Oboro and most of the thugs that wants to take over Riten Kyo) & the Kuki side (everyone related to the father of Touma & Seishiro).
Note: Razor Trio: Tohma, Oboro & Mikoto.
Atoms Rebels: Rebel group that is against the government, composed by Yushiro Sakaki, Saya (Rid's av) & Rinka Yoshino.
The thing is like this: There it is a great Samurai that possess two magnificent swords, The sun blade & the moon blade (unsure about the name, but that is their symbols); there are Five people living with him:
Seishiro Kuki: His son and disciple, his a self centered & timid person; quiet most of the time and does not give a damn about everyone else; he uses the moon sword; after beating Tohma he keep the sun sword for him (that's 2 legendary swords for him).
Tohma Kuki: Obsesed with power, Tohma Killed his his father and stole the sun blade; he had red eyes (the game says that these are "demon eyes") and the game also suggest that he might not be a true son, that he might be adopted; Mikoto is in love with him and Yuga shows interest in him (Yuga orders Mikoto to steal the two swords from Seishiro and give them to Tohma when Tohma is defeated).
Yushiro Sakaki: This man was a faithful samurai until his loved one died fulfilling her duties as a samurai; then he became a rebel.
Jin- Emon Hanafusa: Faithful samurai, he is also sent to stop the Razor trio from taking over the island.
The Fifth person is unknown, I guess that it was Yushiro's loved one, her name was Karen and she was a female samurai.
There are many & cool subplots. I got no time to explain them all.
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| RugalBernstein 2586th Post
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| "Re(1):What I know:" , posted Wed 9 Oct 10:50
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*.- Sieger IS in Samurai Showdown 4; you just have to finish the game before the time specified to get to Amakusa, either him or Wan Fu will show up.
The thing is that Yuga somehow put a part of her in Mikoto (Shiki's Daughter) and Yuga. Thus Mikoto has two personalities; Yuga that wants to find Yuda and Mikoto, the sweet child. Yuda is supposed to have no mind other than Yuga, but later Ashra regains his senses and took over the body.
Those pictures of Wan Fu or Sieger are only in the special staff role, which I hardly think counts ( the special staff role in Asura no Zanmaden features a picture of Gandara playing volleyball, and I even if he enjoys a good game now and then, I doubt he'd want US to know )
And as for the Asura thing, it would probably be Hanmen no Asura, who was originally Yuga's copy, and whom is NOT Mikoto's parent ( and I still say Mikoto doesn't exist. They had a BOY.. A BOY!!! )
Also... SS 3 and 4 taking place between 1 ans 2 = crap, in my opinion. ^_^ If I choose not to believe it ( and I don't ) I don't have to. How exactly would you explain the SS 64 games, then? The ONLY REASON people say 2 takes place last is because of Nako's ending, which is more or less cancelled out by the SS 64 games. Ambrosia was defeated before SS 3 and 4, which is why he (she) is not involved in them. Besides, again, people are allowed to interpret the storylines in any manner they choose. It's a videogame, not history ( and people can interpret history in different manners, too. That's why there's so many versions of it floating around. bwa ha ha ha!) There are SO MANY PLOT HOLES in SNK storylines it isn't funny; a good 90% of the " official " info you read has been made up by fans ( generally grabbed from manga).
And again, nope, no help from Yumekobo. You're probably getting them confused with Asatsu of Fuji Television ( who I only think were involved with porting the PS and Saturn versions, anyway. ) Also, it has come to my mind that many of the enemies you fight in this game are probably rejected character designs for a SS game. It would make a lot of sense. Too bad, some of the enemies would make good characters ( Ushiwaka Hime!! )
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| Toxico 2386th Post
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| "Re(2):What I know:" , posted Wed 9 Oct 10:59:
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Those pictures of Wan Fu or Sieger are only in the special staff role, which I hardly think counts ( the special staff role in Asura no Zanmaden features a picture of Gandara playing volleyball, and I even if he enjoys a good game now and then, I doubt he'd want US to know )
And as for the Asura thing, it would probably be Hanmen no Asura, who was originally Yuga's copy, and whom is NOT Mikoto's parent ( and I still say Mikoto doesn't exist. They had a BOY.. A BOY!!! )
Also... SS 3 and 4 taking place between 1 ans 2 = crap, in my opinion. ^_^ If I choose not to believe it ( and I don't ) I don't have to. How exactly would you explain the SS 64 games, then? The ONLY REASON people say 2 takes place last is because of Nako's ending, which is more or less cancelled out by the SS 64 games. Ambrosia was defeated before SS 3 and 4, which is why he (she) is not involved in them. Besides, again, people are allowed to interpret the storylines in any manner they choose. It's a videogame, not history ( and people can interpret history in different manners, too. That's why there's so many versions of it floating around. bwa ha ha ha!) There are SO MANY PLOT HOLES in SNK storylines it isn't funny; a good 90% of the " official " info you read has been made up by fans ( generally grabbed from manga).
And again, nope, no help from Yumekobo. You're probably getting them confused with Asatsu of Fuji Television ( who I only think were involved with porting the PS and Saturn versions, anyway. ) Also, it has come to my mind that many of the enemies you fight in this game are probably rejected character designs for a SS game. It would make a lot of sense. Too bad, some of the enemies would make good characters ( Ushiwaka Hime!! )
Yes, probably the Sieger/Wan Fu thing seemed like a good joke at the time.
And about the Mikoto thing, I have no doubt that the son was that, A MALE; but for the SS game they just thought that it was more convienent to do the Juga thing, with a daughter, so they switched it at the last minute.
An arcade near by FINALLY got SS 64, I hope that the game is in English, so I can see what bloopers SNK USA made with the storyline.
HA HA HA HA HA...
Monley told you that.
The NGP SS game also tells that they got a Son, that game also says that Ashra was a brave warrior from the past and that Shiki has different eye color (one blue and one red) because one is from the devil and one is from the person...
I will store up the info that the NGP provides and post it up tomorrow, only to see if its fit on the real storyline. LoL
About Kuroko, I recall having read that he was a demon slayer along with Nicotine, and that they both sealed up Mizuki long ago...
I wonder is that's true or more fan-made fiction.
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no one's every what they seem..."
..are the vids still online?..it looked fairly good..but still..it was 3D..
"Kuroko?" 
