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| Ishmael
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|  "Re(2):GGXX Impressions and Questions"
, posted Mon 30 Sep 09:55
Hmm, I wrote that when I was dead tired so it ended up being far more rambling than I meant it to be. While I'm not sure I'm any more awake or lucid at the moment I'll at least try to be a bit more brief.
General Questions: While for the most part the Dust button seemed to serve no function that wasn't fulfilled by hitting two buttons in GGX, the mid-air Dust attack was a new feature that left me puzzled. Can that attack be added into a mid-air combo? Does it have some sort of special properties like the ground Dust attacks have?
Slayer: Of the new characters he's the one that interested me the most so any sort of general playing tips for him would be appreciated. Are there some moves in his list that are wonderful, others that should be used sparingly, and others that should be avoided at all costs? For instance, his dash-teleport seems to be like Hsien-Ko's where it's only good for scooting through the occasional fireball or am I missing some strategy that's it useful for? Since I've only played Slayer a grand total of twice I'm still trying to figure out the basics.
Baiken: Did she get a bit more endurance in GGXX? I didn't have a full grasp on what sort of damage all the moves were doing but it seemed Baiken could take a hit a bit better than she could in GGX. While I'm glad to see she has her pull in and slash move with her claw and chain back I'm not sure how to use it properly. Do I tack it on to the end of an attack, use it as a counter, or some other way?
Any help, strategies, or answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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| Shin ATproof 831th Post
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| "Re(3):GGXX Impressions and Questions" , posted Tue 1 Oct 00:32
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Hmm, I wrote that when I was dead tired so it ended up being far more rambling than I meant it to be. While I'm not sure I'm any more awake or lucid at the moment I'll at least try to be a bit more brief.
General Questions: While for the most part the Dust button seemed to serve no function that wasn't fulfilled by hitting two buttons in GGX, the mid-air Dust attack was a new feature that left me puzzled. Can that attack be added into a mid-air combo? Does it have some sort of special properties like the ground Dust attacks have?
Slayer: Of the new characters he's the one that interested me the most so any sort of general playing tips for him would be appreciated. Are there some moves in his list that are wonderful, others that should be used sparingly, and others that should be avoided at all costs? For instance, his dash-teleport seems to be like Hsien-Ko's where it's only good for scooting through the occasional fireball or am I missing some strategy that's it useful for? Since I've only played Slayer a grand total of twice I'm still trying to figure out the basics.
Baiken: Did she get a bit more endurance in GGXX? I didn't have a full grasp on what sort of damage all the moves were doing but it seemed Baiken could take a hit a bit better than she could in GGX. While I'm glad to see she has her pull in and slash move with her claw and chain back I'm not sure how to use it properly. Do I tack it on to the end of an attack, use it as a counter, or some other way?
Any help, strategies, or answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Okay yeah, the Dust button in it's basic form is just like the S+HS control in GGX. However this time the Dust button serves other purposes...besides being the air combo starter or sweep it's now has the air Dust attack which varies from character to character...for example some characters like Sol and Axl it's just a very hard hitting attack(like CD moves in KoF) which can bounce the opponent off the walls or even pop them up(see I-No for an example)for others like Ky he will throw up an electric cross that if it hits the opponent you will stun them and for Baiken it's a short range projectile. The Dust button in combination with the HS button now activates the Burst. Burst has two functions...the first is a combo breaker so during most attacks that combo you can immediately interrupt the attack and get free. The other function of Burst is that if done outside of a counter if it hits the opponent your Tension meter will be filled to the max. Now that Dust attacks are a sepparate button it now gains a greater comboability depending on the combo and situation it can be a combo starter or an ender if it you are able to combo with it however this doesn't work for every charcter like Potemkin which his air Dust attack is him doing butt stomp...but it's a great overhead! Oh and for a character like Zappa the Dust button actually serves to control one of his summons. ASW has really given a great use to the new button.
Slayer is one complicated character since basically all of his moves require you to get in close and trick the opponent and then combo. I'm not much of a Slayer player(yet)but I do know of the priority of his moves to some extent. I haven't been able to use his dash that well but I too have found that it can go through some projectiles if timed right as far as his normals go his D+HS has a minor projectile-ish property like Dan's Gadouken but this covers Slayers front and back from a low to almost mid range and I find should be used often. His dust is relatively fast so it's great for a surprise game and his sweep is much like Vega's sweep so he slides and covers a bit of distance. As far as specials go his Dandy Step(QCB+P/K) is your best friend...Slayer can literally move back and forth at high speeds so while dancing around you can try to sucker the opponent into his four followups such as Pile Banker(P) which his a straight far hitting punch that can bounce the opponent off the wall or knock them back a far distance for a good chunk of damage or Crosswise Heel(K) which will pop up the opponent for a quick combo and finally Under Pressure(S/HS) is a quick overhead that will bounce the opponent up for a followup attack of your liking. Mapper Hantzsch(QCF+P/K)isn't really good outside combos and even then I suggest you use the punch version since it's quicker and has less recovery time. IMHO Slayers best special attack is Blood Sucked into Outer Space(HCB+HS) since it's a grapple move that if it connects will stun the enemy long enough to do nearly anything you want in fact it can stun so long I have been able to do another of the same move twice in a row and once three times so with that feel free to move in and connect a super attack or a combo. Footloose Journey(QCF+K[ITA])is a move you wanna use if you IAD or as a combo ender and nothing more since although it does a nice chunk of damage it's range is super short...the only special move that has me guessing is Undertow(HCB,F+P)...Slayer spins around real fast and gives a flaming backhand at the enemy does it have at lot of inviciblity frames? Can it combo? Is it super abusable? Can I FRC it? I have no freak'n idea...when I start to play more Slayer maybe I'll know it's function. Now as far as Supers go I can't suggest anything better than Dead on Time(HCB,F+S) for Slayer since he jumps straight across the screen and it does insane amount of damage and has a high comboability. Slayer's other override is Eternal Wing(QCFx2+HS)which is an upclose move where slayer will go in a Dragon Punch-ish angle...haven't used it much...so I can't have a real good opinion on the matter heh...I heard Slayer has another Super but I don't even know how to execute it...like I said...I'm not much of a Slayer user...I'm more of a Baiken, Sol, Axl, Zappa, Ky, I-No and Potemkin user heheh.
Baiken...my favorite character got a major boost from GGX. Although she still takes as much damage as she does in GGX(113% of an attack?)she is a bit faster and her moves are stronger. Most of her combos return except for the FDC ones and she gained a few thanks to the increased length and strength of Youzansen. Baiken's special counters remain the same movewise except for one...the punch version which instead of being a twirling blade to be use as an anti-air and anti-cross up it is now an arch shaped blade that pops up from the ground in front of her and covers about a character length straight up, both are great so it's a fair trade especially since with both you can still do a followup. From what I can tell her invicibility frames for her counters is slightly longer...it may not be but I sure seem to counter easier in this game than GGX[shrugs] Her Kamaitachi is most certainly back and this time it takes on a strange property...from what I can tell is that if the move connects it stuns the opponent and drags them in and you have the option to do two things press slash for a second attack(this works even if the first move is block since this can sometimes save you)or wait a breif moment since it basically stuns and unleash a combo or super. I'm not to sure if you can link it in a combo because it's kinda slow(this to me is a work in progress since there is now a bit more to learn about Baiken so I'll let you know soon) and depending on who you are fighting it is a rather risky move. You basically want to use it as a short range projectile so if the enemy is about a character length away then give it a toss.
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| JETT 468th Post
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| "quick stuff..." , posted Tue 1 Oct 16:56
Iggy: no secret characters or nothing. possibly for console version?...
anyway, slayer stuff real fast since I have to go.
his under tow (HCB,F+P) move is unblockable.
and best used as a wakeup since your opponent has to block as they get up-but cannot
his best stuff are his:
- HCB+HS(throw)semi-infinite : do throw, walk or dash, do throw again, repeat...
-his S 4x combo. do S-S,press forwar,do S-S then QCF+P does great damage and if you have a super Roman cancle the QFC+P and do HS-any ending of your liking (I recommend QCB+P-P *pile bunker*) Nuff' damage!!
-do telepot dash-S-S-QCF+P, teleport dash, S-S-QCF+P, etc... if you get your opponent caught in the teleport dash combos you have won (slayer can kill in like 4 combos)
his eternal wing(QCFx2+HS) super makes it so the opponent cannot recover after, so do it, then juggle after (usuallly do crouch S-crosswheel heel or an air combo)
and a very cool zappa trick is(I know you did not ask but I have to type it.) :
have a full tension and do QCF+Pthen Roman cancle right away, walk a bit and do QCF+P again-Roman cancle, walk and do QCF+P a last time - you will 100% get RAO and thus, win (if you are good)
I use slayer and zappa basically 90% when I play, and I play 4 times a week or so.
anything else?...
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| BBCKazuki
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| "Re(3):GGXX Impressions and Questions" , posted Wed 2 Oct 18:57
Since all the slayer stuff was covered, i'll hit some of the other questions.
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General Questions: While for the most part the Dust button seemed to serve no function that wasn't fulfilled by hitting two buttons in GGX, the mid-air Dust attack was a new feature that left me puzzled. Can that attack be added into a mid-air combo? Does it have some sort of special properties like the ground Dust attacks have?
The air dust attacks are very strong, and are very useful in dust homing attacks. Some characters (Sol) have some natsy rejuggle combos and other tricks with the air dusts.
But i think the main reason to make a new button was to stop the sweep cancel bug. which allowed players to do ground infinites.
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Baiken: Did she get a bit more endurance in GGXX? I didn't have a full grasp on what sort of damage all the moves were doing but it seemed Baiken could take a hit a bit better than she could in GGX. While I'm glad to see she has her pull in and slash move with her claw and chain back I'm not sure how to use it properly. Do I tack it on to the end of an attack, use it as a counter, or some other way?
I've seen it used rarely. Mostly to close the distance. Since she has initiative after the claw, most people start a ground combo.
However, her air dust attack is really good. Sweep, Tatami, jump S, jump cancel, S, P, K ( i think) Dust.
Her dust can also be force canceled to extend her combos
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