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| DKW
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|  "Re(1):Will the KOF series ever end?"
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Am I the only one who still remembers that '96 was "supposed" to be the conclusion? Says so right in the Edit Team ending. (Yes, I know that the Edit Team ending is the one ending that can't possibly happen, but it's still useful as a point of reference.) Of course, it also claimed that everyone quickly forgot about the KOF competitors, which is just another example of putting something in a game that sounds cool, only to toss it out later because it's too problematic to hold onto.
Anywise...if you mean KOF the tournament, it'll end probably at the same time as the Super Bowl...probably never, and definitely not within any of our lifetimes. But you mean the game, of course.
Who knows. If the total meltdown of SNK couldn't do it, I can't begin to imagine what could. Despite the now-extremely glaring hardware limitations of the Neo Geo (folks, the 16-bit era ended; your days on the top are long over) and only slight innovations from game to game, it's still a popular franchise. I can very easily imagine another company picking it up and running with it; if it's still this popular now, imagine it with updated graphics and a memory capacity that doesn't necessitate bouncing King (I'm sorry, guys, but this was just stupid). And, to answer the inevitable question, why the hell not Capcom? Let's face it, that whole "ripoff" controversy was never more than a big whinefest, and two CvS games certainly prove that there are no hard feelings in my book. Heck, it's not like they're doing a whole lot with any of their existing lines (what in blazes happened with Darkstalkers, anyway??).
As someone who's loyally supported SNK until nearly the end, I'm all for keeping the dream alive. As a gamer...well, more's always better than fewer, and I really need an alternative to all the grossly overrated 3D fighting games out there. (Would someone PLEASE explain to me what the appeal of Tekken is? N.b: E-mail only; don't want to clutter this board even worse than it already is.)
My only major concern is the direction KOF has gone, particularly the background stories. When the story takes more time to explain than the entire movelist, there's a problem. When three people play the exact same game and arrive at completely different conclusions as to who's who, what's what, who's what, and what the heck happened (see KOF storyline thread on this board), there's a problem. Also, regularly killing off or giving the boot to nearly all the new arrivals was a really, REALLY bad idea. I understand that Terry & co. aren't going anywhere, but what does it say for a fighting game that nearly everyone who breaks the mold either gets tossed for being "weird" or "not compatible with the story", or hopelessly wedded to a single uberplot and dumped trash once said plot ends? For something that began as an exciting, wide-open, anyone-can-win slugfest, the last thing it needs is predictable rosters.
Also, there have been a number of things in KOF that were just plain bad ideas. Such as introducing a god. Look, this is a fighting game...there are no immortal, omnipotent entrants. Thinking that they could introduce a god...who, incidentally, shouldn't have been even touchable by any but the Sacred Hype Explosion Team...and make him beatable while still maintaining his godliness was ludicrous. KOF isn't about gods, dammit; it's a contest fought between people, with mortal, human bosses, ALL OF WHOM are capable of winning it all. Trying to turn this into Final Fantasy 7: The Revenge (substitute any console RPG you like) was just silly. Likewise, what was the deal with giving the impression that Southtown was destroyed? I say "impression" because Eolith has apparently decided not to accept it, and for once I agree with them. Folks, blowing up a city, especially one which is so pivotal to KOF, isn't something you do willy nilly, dammit. And you definitely don't let the people the most affected carry on as if nothing happened. I don't care how freaking cool the manga you ripped it off from is, this is just insane. There are a lot of ways you can demonstrate Zero's ruthlessness and fanaticism to his cause other than BLOWING UP A FREAKING CITY.
Huh...
In any case, I just hope that whoever continues the KOF line has the good sense to return it to its roots...i.e., an all-star fighting game where the competitors were what mattered, not secret conspiracies and shadow organizations and superplots and philosophies and big city-destroying cannons. Just get back to basics, y'know what I'm sayin'?
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| Puar 378th Post
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| "Re(2):Will the KOF series ever end?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 08:56
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Am I the only one who still remembers that '96 was "supposed" to be the conclusion? Says so right in the Edit Team ending.
...and in the '95 Edit Team ending. Again, you misinterpret. It means it is the end of that year's tournament. If you also look at it plotwise, '96 was just before the climax of the Orochi Plot. Now, wouldn't it be silly if you were making a game and decided to end it right then without completing what you had already set into motion? ;D
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Of course, it also claimed that everyone quickly forgot about the KOF competitors, which is just another example of putting something in a game that sounds cool, only to toss it out later because it's too problematic to hold onto.
This happens with everything, not just KOF. It's called hype, fad, infatuation. Things are exciting, then they go away, people forget about it, until it comes back again to heighten emotions.
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Would someone PLEASE explain to me what the appeal of Tekken is?
It's an idiots game... You can mash one button and win. Monkeys are amused easily. My roommate and I actually tried this in the arcades and won pressing just one button, no joystick motions. ;D
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My only major concern is the direction KOF has gone, particularly the background stories. When the story takes more time to explain than the entire movelist, there's a problem. When three people play the exact same game and arrive at completely different conclusions as to who's who, what's what, who's what, and what the heck happened (see KOF storyline thread on this board), there's a problem.
Yes, because who really wants a story with their fighting game? (;
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Also, regularly killing off or giving the boot to nearly all the new arrivals was a really, REALLY bad idea. I understand that Terry & co. aren't going anywhere, but what does it say for a fighting game that nearly everyone who breaks the mold either gets tossed for being "weird" or "not compatible with the story", or hopelessly wedded to a single uberplot and dumped trash once said plot ends?
New Characters Unassociated With Plot With Long Life Spans
Leona (7)
Blue Mary (6)
Shingo Yabuki (5... or is it 6?)
Also, more or less, unless your name is Hinako, Jhun Hoon, Eiji Kisaragi, your son is a Flaming Slacker, you're an American who plays Sports, or you belong to an Ultimate Boss Team, you've been in at least 3 or 4 KOFs. Considering there was no significant changes in Roster, and also a lot of people not giving a crap about KOF, until '96, that gives us 7 KOFs that we are taking into consideration. 3 or 4 out of 7 is around half of the KOFs... I have a point, but I'm not willing to type any further on this. (;
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Also, there have been a number of things in KOF that were just plain bad ideas. Such as introducing a god. Look, this is a fighting game...there are no immortal, omnipotent entrants. Thinking that they could introduce a god...who, incidentally, shouldn't have been even touchable by any but the Sacred Hype Explosion Team...and make him beatable while still maintaining his godliness was ludicrous.
But he was defeated by that Sacred Hype Explosion Team, so how is this ludicrous? On a side note, Orochi was not behind KOF '97, it was just mucked up by our Riot of the Blood crew, so it's not like SNK put a God behind all of the madness, masterminding and orchestrating the tournament from a pedestal from high and afar... Now, that would be ludicrous! ;D
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KOF isn't about gods, dammit; it's a contest fought between people, with mortal, human bosses, ALL OF WHOM are capable of winning it all.
Not since KOF '94. (;
'95 saw an amazingly alive and bionic Rugal with siphoned Orochi powers finally showing in addition to cyber enhancements. With the upgrades, I'm not sure you could tag him as a wholly mortal human.
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Trying to turn this into Final Fantasy 7: The Revenge (substitute any console RPG you like) was just silly. Likewise, what was the deal with giving the impression that Southtown was destroyed? I say "impression" because Eolith has apparently decided not to accept it, and for once I agree with them. Folks, blowing up a city, especially one which is so pivotal to KOF, isn't something you do willy nilly, dammit. And you definitely don't let the people the most affected carry on as if nothing happened. I don't care how freaking cool the manga you ripped it off from is, this is just insane. There are a lot of ways you can demonstrate Zero's ruthlessness and fanaticism to his cause other than BLOWING UP A FREAKING CITY.
Actually, it was based on a Folklore Myth, but whatever. As for Southtown, it did get shot to shit. Accept it... Embrace it... ;D
As for the lack of reaction, first you want no story, now you want no back story! Ah, wonders never cease... They could give you more background on that, but they need room for the movelist.
Oh! And it wasn't Zero that blew up the city. He couldn't control the cannon, remember? (;
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In any case, I just hope that whoever continues the KOF line has the good sense to return it to its roots...i.e., an all-star fighting game where the competitors were what mattered, not secret conspiracies and shadow organizations and superplots and philosophies and big city-destroying cannons. Just get back to basics, y'know what I'm sayin'?
Then what do you think about the NO STORY, All Star, Dream Match KOF2K2?
Refuting DKW is becoming my favorite Procrastination Pasttime! Too bad I'm probably only knowledgeable to do it about KOF. If someone would only start bickering about the AoA...
On a final note, I'm a bastard. Wang Ba!
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem..."
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| DKW
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| "Re(3):Will the KOF series ever end?" , posted Thu 26 Sep 00:37
Amakusa - I've made this exact same point many, many times on at least three different message boards. I know I write long, but trust me, all those words are there for a reason.
Whitesword - Frankly, I think your posts are too short. What, you're not even going to say "yes" or "no"?
everyone - Okay, I'm done arguing KOF story (seriously). Getting back to the OP...whoever picks up this game is going to have to either deal with all the permutations and complications or throw them out altogether. If it's Capcom (the most likely candidate), you better believe it'll be the latter. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't become to attached to "canon" reality as it is, because if Eolith can change it, imagine what someone totally indepedent from SNK could do.
All I want at this point is updated hardware which permits arcade-quality graphics (which the Neo Geo no longer has) and a roster big enough to acommodate all the old hands and bright new stars. KOF was great at some point, but it's really falling behind the times now. The last thing I think anyone wants is it becoming obsolete.
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| Hungrywolf 1550th Post
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| "Re(4):Will the KOF series ever end?" , posted Thu 26 Sep 12:03
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Amakusa - I've made this exact same point many, many times on at least three different message boards. I know I write long, but trust me, all those words are there for a reason.
Whitesword - Frankly, I think your posts are too short. What, you're not even going to say "yes" or "no"?
everyone - Okay, I'm done arguing KOF story (seriously). Getting back to the OP...whoever picks up this game is going to have to either deal with all the permutations and complications or throw them out altogether. If it's Capcom (the most likely candidate), you better believe it'll be the latter. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't become to attached to "canon" reality as it is, because if Eolith can change it, imagine what someone totally indepedent from SNK could do.
All I want at this point is updated hardware which permits arcade-quality graphics (which the Neo Geo no longer has) and a roster big enough to acommodate all the old hands and bright new stars. KOF was great at some point, but it's really falling behind the times now. The last thing I think anyone wants is it becoming obsolete.
I too wish for a hardware change. I don't agree with you sometimes, DKW, but I do agree with this post definately.
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| DKW
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| "Re(5):Will the KOF series ever end?" , posted Fri 27 Sep 01:52
whitesword - So in other words, it's okay to make a completely irrelevant post so long as you're concise about it?
You know, I always had the impression that this was a board for logical discussions. I really have to learn to stop making such blanket assumptions.
Hungrywolf - I try to avoid making statments that everyone totally agrees with (which kinda defeats the purpose of a discussion board), but glad you agree. I actually think this is far more important than any nonsense about orbiting space cannons and genetically-modified life forms. I just wanted to remind everyone that those little plot details are an integral part of KOF, and whoever continues the line has to decide whether to keep upping the stakes (once you, ahem, destroy Southtown, this gets kinda hard), return the series to its less-complicated roots, or go in a completely different direction.
Unfortunately, it's apprarently impossible to get any sane discussion on that over here, so I'll stop now.
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| talbaineric 4147th Post
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| "This is a discussion board......." , posted Fri 27 Sep 05:43
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whitesword - So in other words, it's okay to make a completely irrelevant post so long as you're concise about it?
You know, I always had the impression that this was a board for logical discussions. I really have to learn to stop making such blanket assumptions.
Hungrywolf - I try to avoid making statments that everyone totally agrees with (which kinda defeats the purpose of a discussion board), but glad you agree. I actually think this is far more important than any nonsense about orbiting space cannons and genetically-modified life forms. I just wanted to remind everyone that those little plot details are an integral part of KOF, and whoever continues the line has to decide whether to keep upping the stakes (once you, ahem, destroy Southtown, this gets kinda hard), return the series to its less-complicated roots, or go in a completely different direction.
Unfortunately, it's apprarently impossible to get any sane discussion on that over here, so I'll stop now.
Right! And we have the right to discuss what we want.
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"Will the KOF series ever end?" 
It's got all sorts of cool characters! And I can finally team up my Billy with all the new characters he missed after 99. 
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