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| Jazzie D 1533th Post
 
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|  "My theory on Kansai as a whole"
, posted Sat 21 Sep 15:50
Note - keep in mind that I am not a big dub fan.
If you don't know what the hell I am talking about, here's hopefully a quick lesson.
Kansaijins are people from the Kansai area or western Japan. Cities in the Kansai area include Osaka, Kyoto and Kobe. You hear Kansai-ben a lot in anime, but not in video games. The accent is really hen or funny/interesting.
Example in anime - Kero-chan
Example in a video game - Kensou
My theory on Kansai as a whole:
There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent!
I don't care what scholars think! There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent! Why give Kitsune and Su a southern accent and valley girl feel respectively? You don't! This is a big reason why I never watched the Love Hina dub!
And you thought Kitsune was the only one with the accent. Nope. Kitsune helped Su get the accent just by hanging out together for a while and adding on, Kitsune's and Su's seiyuu, Noda Junko and Takagi Reiko respectively are from Osaka. (Don't ask how I know this. I just do. =P)
What else? Will Azumanga get dubbed? This is like asking if Kodocha will ever get dubbed. No. Much of the humor lies within the dialogue and the seiyuu.
Okay! Here's an example.
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
How will a company translate that one early gig with Ayumu-chan (I really feel sorry for her getting a nickname she didn't ask for in Osaka) and Yukari-sensei into English? You know. I'm talking about the time Ayumu-chan introducing herself in Kansai-ben.
End of Spoiler
Simple! You don't. You either a) worry about quality more than style or b) you don't dub the anime at all.
I know some people are thinking, "Oh, Azumanga can get dubbed." No. You know why? Ayumu-chan! I want her to have a standard accent, not an outside one!
How can keeping the same tone help? It just does. Giving Ayumu-chan the southern accent or any accent for that matter doesn't feel right. She's just a daft Kansaijin. Unlike many Kansai-ben characters, Ayumu is not one that will shout anything at random or do something silly.
Gee. If I remember correctly, Makoto (El Hazard) was from the Kansai region and he didn't have an accent in the dub. Maybe that's because he didn't act loony like Jinnai. Still, did that help? Yes! Give him an accent and that could have killed the anime.
Certain Kansaijins or just certain characters in general can get accents. Certain! Kitsune just sounded worse when I first heard the dubbed sample. I can't think of any Kansai-ben character that got an accent in the dub and it worked. Then again, I'm not a dub fan. So, why bother asking me in the first place?
That's my theory. There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent! Yeah.
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| Radish 332th Post
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| "Re(1):My theory on Kansai as a whole" , posted Sat 21 Sep 15:56
quote:
Note - keep in mind that I am not a big dub fan.
If you don't know what the hell I am talking about, here's hopefully a quick lesson.
Kansaijins are people from the Kansai area or western Japan. Cities in the Kansai area include Osaka, Kyoto and Kobe. You hear Kansai-ben a lot in anime, but not in video games. The accent is really hen or funny/interesting.
Example in anime - Kero-chan
Example in a video game - Kensou
My theory on Kansai as a whole:
There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent!
I don't care what scholars think! There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent! Why give Kitsune and Su a southern accent and valley girl feel respectively? You don't! This is a big reason why I never watched the Love Hina dub!
And you thought Kitsune was the only one with the accent. Nope. Kitsune helped Su get the accent just by hanging out together for a while and adding on, Kitsune's and Su's seiyuu, Noda Junko and Takagi Reiko respectively are from Osaka. (Don't ask how I know this. I just do. =P)
What else? Will Azumanga get dubbed? This is like asking if Kodocha will ever get dubbed. No. Much of the humor lies within the dialogue and the seiyuu.
Okay! Here's an example.
Simple! You don't. You either a) worry about quality more than style or b) you don't dub the anime at all.
I know some people are thinking, "Oh, Azumanga can get dubbed." No. You know why? Ayumu-chan! I want her to have a standard accent, not an outside one!
How can keeping the same tone help? It just does. Giving Ayumu-chan the southern accent or any accent for that matter doesn't feel right. She's just a daft Kansaijin. Unlike many Kansai-ben characters, Ayumu is not one that will shout anything at random or do something silly.
Gee. If I remember correctly, Makoto (El Hazard) was from the Kansai region and he didn't have an accent in the dub. Maybe that's because he didn't act loony like Jinnai. Still, did that help? Yes! Give him an accent and that could have killed the anime.
Certain Kansaijins or just certain characters in general can get accents. Certain! Kitsune just sounded worse when I first heard the dubbed sample. I can't think of any Kansai-ben character that got an accent in the dub and it worked. Then again, I'm not a dub fan. So, why bother asking me in the first place?
That's my theory. There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent! Yeah.
I always thought that the dubbed Kero sounded like a surfer-cabbie. I guess they were trying for some kind of mix.
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| Tashoku Kisune 1115th Post
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| "Re(1):My theory on Kansai as a whole" , posted Sat 21 Sep 15:58
quote:
Note - keep in mind that I am not a big dub fan.
If you don't know what the hell I am talking about, here's hopefully a quick lesson.
Kansaijins are people from the Kansai area or western Japan. Cities in the Kansai area include Osaka, Kyoto and Kobe. You hear Kansai-ben a lot in anime, but not in video games. The accent is really hen or funny/interesting.
Example in anime - Kero-chan
Example in a video game - Kensou
My theory on Kansai as a whole:
There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent!
I don't care what scholars think! There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent! Why give Kitsune and Su a southern accent and valley girl feel respectively? You don't! This is a big reason why I never watched the Love Hina dub!
And you thought Kitsune was the only one with the accent. Nope. Kitsune helped Su get the accent just by hanging out together for a while and adding on, Kitsune's and Su's seiyuu, Noda Junko and Takagi Reiko respectively are from Osaka. (Don't ask how I know this. I just do. =P)
What else? Will Azumanga get dubbed? This is like asking if Kodocha will ever get dubbed. No. Much of the humor lies within the dialogue and the seiyuu.
Okay! Here's an example.
Simple! You don't. You either a) worry about quality more than style or b) you don't dub the anime at all.
I know some people are thinking, "Oh, Azumanga can get dubbed." No. You know why? Ayumu-chan! I want her to have a standard accent, not an outside one!
How can keeping the same tone help? It just does. Giving Ayumu-chan the southern accent or any accent for that matter doesn't feel right. She's just a daft Kansaijin. Unlike many Kansai-ben characters, Ayumu is not one that will shout anything at random or do something silly.
Gee. If I remember correctly, Makoto (El Hazard) was from the Kansai region and he didn't have an accent in the dub. Maybe that's because he didn't act loony like Jinnai. Still, did that help? Yes! Give him an accent and that could have killed the anime.
Certain Kansaijins or just certain characters in general can get accents. Certain! Kitsune just sounded worse when I first heard the dubbed sample. I can't think of any Kansai-ben character that got an accent in the dub and it worked. Then again, I'm not a dub fan. So, why bother asking me in the first place?
That's my theory. There's no English Kansai-ben equivalent! Yeah.
.... o_O ... whoa.
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| Toxico 2274th Post
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|  "Re(3):My theory on Kansai as a whole"
, posted Mon 23 Sep 07:29:
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I always thought that the dubbed Kero sounded like a surfer-cabbie. I guess they were trying for some kind of mix.
Kero in the Spanish dub has Mexican accent... in fact, simulated Mexican accent. It sounds funny, so it serves it's purpose.
By the way:
Good dub >> Subbed >>>> Bad dub.
Ha Ha Ha Ha.... That reminds me of many of Meitantei Conan Episodes where people with Kansai-ben where present, in most of them the dub didn't give a damn, they just changed the clues related to that; but in one case it was absolutely necessary to made the difference (It was Hattori Heiji speaking by the phone, his accent was the clue to identify him) and they give him an argentine accent.
Five minutes later the accent was gone, it came and went for no aparent reason, unless you know the whole Kansai dub screw up.
And they changed the name of the characters oftenly, of for about 4 cases that Hattori appeared he had three diferent names; it was hard to trace the character if you are not a hardcore fan like myself.
For Example Shinichi Kudo was named after a basketball player (Bobby Jackson), and Mouri Kogoro was named after a figure of a political scandal (Claudio Guzman).
The useless and non interesting fact of the day, thank you very much people.
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| Toxico 2285th Post
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|  "HA HA HA HA.... Venancio???"
, posted Mon 23 Sep 12:01:
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*!I AM CONFUSED!*
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Venancio!
You poor, poor thing...
Being vosotros an older form OF COURSE that it has to be used with differents verbs.
The use is the same than ellos; the gramatical form is not.
That is why Vosotros form was reeplaced by an easier one.
If you keep this up any longer the clown will eat you.
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ah...that's what I'm talking about. Thanks!! I call my girlfriend huevon or cabron sometimes...she looks at me funny.
Cabrón has two meanings:
- And incredible cool & bad ass person.
- And incredible bad ass and unfriendly person.
To females you must had the feminine form to the word:
Male: Cabrón / Female: Cabrona
Male: Huevón / Female: Huevona
To apply the verbs to a situation you can use this form (for this verbs only)
A) "That guy kick ass"
A) El Huevón Acabronado
-Huevón is used as a despective word, but in Chile it can be used to pin point individuals (Yes, we are so perverted that we managed to fit a dirty word on the day-to day piffy paffle)
B)" That guy only knows how to screw up things"
B) El tipo Ahuevonado
- In this case the 'Huevón' reference means "lack of skill" or just plain old "dumb" person.
* Remeber to use female sentences if speaking to females (Ahuevonada, Acabronada), to animals you just apply the male sentence to them.
Remember that this knowledge comes from the streets, no professional should relate to this, and the knowledge might change depending on the country you are speaking and the voice tunes you use, since the leguages are built becase of the people.
NOW you can book mark Papá Mano as a a major pimpistic monkey on your note book.
It is so hard to explain this on Engrish, but you have just to say "please teach me many things"...
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| Time Mage 854th Post
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| "A lesson of Spanish. Coño!" , posted Mon 23 Sep 12:44
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There's a textbook which teaches kansai english, I'm told. I've plans to look into this.
You say Vosotros?? No teacher has ever been able to explain to me the usefulness of that form...can you???
I can't agree with Juan...
Vosotros is an old form that is still used on Spain (it is my understanding that it is like the thou - you in English).
Vosotros was replaced by ellos If I am not mistaken, and both words could be translated as 'them'; of course I could be mistaken as wine is running trough my veins.
"Las 2 y pico" Is a Spanish (Spanish from Spain)way of saying "past two O'Clock", pico has a more obscene translation in my nation *censored**end of censorship*
Giripollas means moron in a reatherly rude way (Huevón is the word used in this country -Chile-).
Dunno what Venacio means
JA JA JA JA JA JA JA JA....
Oh my God! I have some things to correct here!
Let's start with "vosostros":
"Vosotros" CANNOT be replaced by "ellos" nor "nosotros", in fact, "vosotros" is the plural form of you, just like "nosotros" is the plural form of "yo". Here's the chart of the personal pronouns:
Singular.................Plural
-Yo (I)..................-Nosotros(We)
-Tú (You)..............-Vosotros(You)
-El/Ella(He/She)....-Ellos(They)
It's not that difficult!!!!
BTW, how do you Juan and Toxico say when you want to express a plural you? (In spanish, that is). I, for example, say "Vosotros los suramericanos hablais un español muy raro".
Oh, also:
-It's Gilipollas, not gilipollas. It's composed of "gili"(a form to say "tonto", that is, dumb or stupid) and "pollas" (the plural of "polla", which means... dick).
Gatotsu Zeroshiki!
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| Juan 2439th Post
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| "Re(1):A lesson of Spanish. Coño!" , posted Mon 23 Sep 12:51:
Ok we were both wrong. Which means Toxico is still not up to dodge ball!
"Vosotros los suramericanos hablais un español muy raro" I would say "Ustedes los suramericanos hablan un espan~ol muy raro" Vosotros is an evil word. Crazy Spaniards! (shakes fist)
quote:
Singular.................Plural
-Yo (I)..................-Nosotros(We)
-Tú (You)..............-Vosotros(You)
-El/Ella(He/She)....-Ellos(They)
It's not that difficult!!!!
BTW, how do you Juan and Toxico say when you want to express a plural you? (In spanish, that is). I, for example, say "Vosotros los suramericanos hablais un español muy raro".
Oh, also:
-It's Gilipollas, not gilipollas. It's composed of "gili"(a form to say "tonto", that is, dumb or stupid) and "pollas" (the plural of "polla", which means... dick).
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[this message was edited by Juan on Mon 23 Sep 13:00] |
| Time Mage 855th Post
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| "Re(2):A lesson of Spanish. Coño!" , posted Mon 23 Sep 13:01
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Ok we were both wrong. Which means Toxico is still not up to dodge ball!
"Vosotros los suramericanos hablais un español muy raro" I would say "Ustedes los suramericanos..." Vosotros is an evil word. Crazy Spaniards! (shakes fist)
Singular.................Plural
-Yo (I)..................-Nosotros(We)
-Tú (You)..............-Vosotros(You)
-El/Ella(He/She)....-Ellos(They)
It's not that difficult!!!!
BTW, how do you Juan and Toxico say when you want to express a plural you? (In spanish, that is). I, for example, say "Vosotros los suramericanos hablais un español muy raro".
Oh, also:
-It's Gilipollas, not gilipollas. It's composed of "gili"(a form to say "tonto", that is, dumb or stupid) and "pollas" (the plural of "polla", which means... dick).
Oh! I forgot!
"Vosotros" is the new form of "vos". So, "vos" is thou (plural thou, that is), and "vosotros" is (plural) you.
Here, "usted" and "ustedes" are the polite form to say you (singular) and you (plural).
Gatotsu Zeroshiki!
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| Toxico 2293th Post
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|  "Ahhhhgggggggggg............ PAPÁ MONO!!!!!!!"
, posted Mon 23 Sep 13:22:
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Oh my God! I have some things to correct here!
Let's start with "vosostros":
"Vosotros" CANNOT be replaced by "ellos" nor "nosotros", in fact, "vosotros" is the plural form of you, just like "nosotros" is the plural form of "yo". Here's the chart of the personal pronouns:
Singular.................Plural
-Yo (I)..................-Nosotros(We)
-Tú (You)..............-Vosotros(You)
-El/Ella(He/She)....-Ellos(They)
It's not that difficult!!!!
BTW, how do you Juan and Toxico say when you want to express a plural you? (In spanish, that is). I, for example, say "Vosotros los suramericanos hablais un español muy raro".
Oh, also:
-It's Gilipollas, not gilipollas. It's composed of "gili"(a form to say "tonto", that is, dumb or stupid) and "pollas" (the plural of "polla", which means... dick).
In fact, the use I gave to Vosotros is correct in my country, we have other differences in verb aplication but I don't remeber at this time...
CRAP! Now I wonder if my school teacher (teacher that sucked big time) taugh me all wrong.... Furter inquiring is required.
edit: Forget it, I got it all wrong, my knowledge sucks.
It might appear that Time Mage is.... Time Mage es el que reparte el bacalao *worships*
NOW I REFUSE TO SAY VOSOTROS
Also remember that I am not Juan, taking wild guesses on what is what, I will have Juna to schold him.
[this message was edited by Toxico on Tue 24 Sep 08:37] |
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