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| Chupiler 696th Post
 
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|  "Re(4):Metro City is...disappearing!?"
, posted Thu 19 Sep 22:22
Ugh...I like vacations and all...but I hate how work piles up in the meantime...
So, catching up from my vacation, I have returned!! I'll try to post a little more often.
Anyways, here's the juicy stuff you've been waiting for...reports!
First off, Ingrid wears full pantyhoses, no garter belt......er...forget what I just said. (No garter belt dammit!!!!)
As written before, it's a five button setup.
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The is actually the move button. Pressing it will make your character dodge to the back, and will make your character move towards the screen. It's fairly fast. So far, though, it doesn't seem that useful, since just by hititng jab it can be stopped.
 Anti-dodge
A move just to hit opponent while they're dodging. I dont' know if it is cancellable.
Throw
Similar to SFIII, you can also miss.
There are 2 sets of jumps so far found: normal and low.
 or  Step or backstep
Hard Blow
An attack more powerful then strong attack. Knocks the opponent back. Think of KOF's CD
Bar below the life bar is the Stun guage, like SFIII. According to reports, though, most cases you lose before it builds up.
Round system is similar to Vampire Saviour (IMO, it's more similar to Tao Taido, but no one knows that game). You have 3 bars, Green > Yellow > Red. When you lose a bar, you are knocked down, then get up and fight again.
Supers Arts are now linked to your life. First off, 1 SA is given to each level. For instance, Ryu's level 1 in Shinkuu Hadouken, level 2 is Denjin Hadouken and level 3 is Shin Shouryuken. Second, you only start off will level 1 as the max. Each time you lose a life bar, you gain another level. So Green (= 3 bars) is 1, Yellow (= 2 bars) is 2 and Red (= 1 bar) is 3.
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| Chupiler 697th Post
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| "More reporting" , posted Thu 19 Sep 23:06
Oh yeah, no air blocking.
And you have dodge attacks. Ryu's is......Tetsuzan Kou......He's now Akira......
Dramatic Counter
Similar to parrying, you press or high and mid hits and  for low hits. It is unknown at the point if you can do this in the air. You will automaticaly counter. It is possible to do a weak attack > opponent DCs > you DC back.
FatalitiesDramatic Finish
Well, Capcom has done it. I don't know why, but they did. In order to perform DFs, you first must press  at the VS screen. Supposedly you have some sort of handicap, but no one really notice anything different. The top of the screen will say "Shouri sengen chuu" or "Declaring victory". After you defeat the opponent you will have a couple of seconds to input a command, some harder then any old SNK game I've seen to finish them. Frankly, this, having nothing to do with the actual gameplay, is something I don't need...
Ryu: Kaze no Kobushi 
Chun Li: Geki Kikouken 
Hiryu: Triangle End:  
Batsu: Sakigake Taiyou Gakuen
Rook: In Heaven   
Ingrid: Sun Octopus:  
Akira: Air Burst 02:
Poison: Handcuff & Binta (slap) 
Nash: Sonic Beat Execution:
Hagger: S^3 (Spiral Star Splash):
DD: Kyuukyoku Kijin Kyuukyoku Kijin-Ken: for 20 sec
Alex: Final Air Slasher:
Hmmm...I guess they're not as hard as I thought...except for Ingrid's...
Still, will DD, does the mean at the end of the match, you have to seal your strong punch!? just for a move that can't be done in the actual game itself......
Comments on some of the DFs.
Kaze no Kobushi: Yay! Another Nakahira-sensei inspired move (though he had it in SFIII). But I never thought of it as a finishing move...
Geki Kikouken: ONly thing I can picture is Geki Hishouken...
Triangle End: Doesn't this sound a bit similar to another ninja with a red scarf? *cough*Chipp*cough*Delta End*cough*
Well, that's all i'm doing for today...sleeps...
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| Dr Baghead 1584th Post
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| "Re(7):More reporting" , posted Fri 20 Sep 20:21
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Oh, and it will surely has some essential character like Ken as a bonus character (not Gôki, everybody knows he will be a/the secret character of the first game).
(Bag ramblings)
What would be nice is if Ken, Zangief, Guile, and other "clones" were unlocked like Lee, Eddie, and Miharu in Tekken 4... Where they're basically "bonus costumes" for characters who already exist...
aside from Adon and Poison... has any "evil" character been introduced yet? I find it odd Bison, Rolento (or Sodom, or Belger, or hell even Damd), or Hyo, or something hasn't been shown yet... could Capcom be making the bosses unplayable by default? would be a nice change...
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| Mosquiton 475th Post
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| "This isn't a beta test guys..." , posted Fri 20 Sep 23:12:
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I would just like to mention that I can't find anything that confirms that Adon is in the game, so far only IGN claims he is.
Not only that, IGN keeps spelling it "Adol". What... the hell... is an ADOL?????????????????????????
I just wanted to say the game still looks fairly cool to me, just remember it's an early demo version. Why would you assume that the mechanics in the game now won't change? This isn't like a public beta-test... it's being shown for the first time in public.
Plenty of time to fine-tune the mechanics, up the animation quality, etc. I'm not saying they will, but you can't assume that they won't. Nobody is going to want to hear "I told you so" if it turns out they do drop the ball, because nobody wants it to turn out that way. You're free to say whatever you want about the game, but come on. This stuff gets old, yo.
Even if it doesn't turn out to be more than a decent game, I'll bet that most people on this board (can't speak for Ultima though) will still give it a try. I know I will, it'll be worth it just to satisfy my curiosity.
Oh yeah, and a extra-special thanks to Chupiler for the details. As always I appreciate it greatly.
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| DKW
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| "Random jump in-age" , posted Sat 21 Sep 00:18
First off, thanks for the nice update, Chupiler. Nice to have some information as opposed to just more rumors.
This looks like it's going to be a somewhat less wild-'n-crazy version of RS. I say this is a good thing, and the reason I say this is that I'm NEVER going to get used to Tekken-style systems...you know, movelists taking up a whole page (am I the only one who sees something wrong with this??), conventions, stances, counters, positions, etc, etc, et-freaking-cetera. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer my fighting games intuitive, learnable, and playable. It's possible to incorporate 3D elements into a fighting game without turning it into Kasparov vs. Deep Blue.
Since I haven't seen any acutal gameplay (and, as already stated, it's not even a beta test, let alone a finished product), I won't bother speculating on how it's going to turn out. I'm glad Alex is back (does anyone else find something weird about a "new star" who we haven't seen at all since SF3? Man, you thought Shizumaru Hisame had problems...), and I'd gladly welcome either Rose or Adon, who, frankly, are BOTH cool, original characters who have been sadly underused. I'd be extremely surprised if Ken didn't make the final cut. Grumble about Ansatsu bias all you want, but Capcom knows they gotta put in characters people are actually going to play, and I don't see Ken's popularity going down anytime soon.
About my only quibble would be with the new girl, and I do emphasie the word "girl". Is there some rule that one of the new characters ALWAYS has to be a cute little girly-girl teenybopper? I'm genuinely more than a little disturbed by this trend...there was the girly wrestler in SFA3 (yes, big tits, but it didn't hide the fact that she was girly) to go along with the girly rich snob, and before that Cammy and Sakura, who BOTH were refused the right to grow up for YEARS. And just take a look at the SNK females they picked: Yuri Sakazaki in full-bore "I'm just a little tomboy who thinks she can compete with the big boys!" mode, Athena Asamiya looking the way she did six years ago (apparently the same dorkwads who'd go ballistic if Sakura ever took off that stupid uni wouldn't get a heart attack at the sight of a short-haired, tall, mature Athena), King looking like a boy. And instead of any of the Last Blade characters we actually remember, we get angsty why-did-you-leave-me-daddy Takane Hibiki. You know, I remember a time when they put a 23-year-old woman in a fighting game, mainly because a woman's a lot easier to take seriously as a fighter than a girl, and how she's aged over the years really not being all that big a deal. I just don't understand why Capcom is now so damn afraid of letting their women be women, especially considering the flack other comapnies have gotten over an overemphasis on girls (hello, Tecmo!).
Lastly, the Poison flap. Look...do you think it's possible, just possible that the reason the Capcom people make these kinds of inconsistencies is that they never anticipated them becoming such a huge issue in the future? Hey, it's already happened with SNK a bunch of times (think AOF2 Special Scene, SS2 cutscenes clearly indicating that it came directly after SS1, Geese being absolutely dead at the end of FF1, the many possible interpretations of "Dream Match", etc.). When that America-side rep, at a time when video games were under the microscope due to that friggin' Sub-Zero fatality (and don't kid yourselves; the image that spurred this half-baked anti-videogame movement wasn't Scorpion turning someone into a skeleton), made a backhanded comment about how Poison was actually male, so Final Fight did not endorse wife beating or girlfriend beating or whatever, did he have any way of knowing that this one random side-scroller flunky would ever be used again? Say he claimed that Abigail was gay or Belger was a rapist (and intended to violate Jessica) or Bred/Dug/J/Slash sold drugs to kiddies. Who cares; at the end of the game, they're all meat. No one could've predicted that a random generic gangbanger would have such an enduring legacy. So anyway, Poison is female, dammit, and it's only Capcom's endless ability to muck things up that's created even the slightest doubt otherwise.
At any rate, I'm just glad Capcom's continuing with their 3D line, if for no other reason than that I have an alternative to the Tekkens and Bloody Roars of the world. I really think they're just going to get better as they go along.
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| whitesword 1020th Post
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| "Re(2):Random jump in-age" , posted Sat 21 Sep 12:07
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When that America-side rep, at a time when video games were under the microscope due to that friggin' Sub-Zero fatality (and don't kid yourselves; the image that spurred this half-baked anti-videogame movement wasn't Scorpion turning someone into a skeleton), made a backhanded comment about how Poison was actually male, so Final Fight did not endorse wife beating or girlfriend beating or whatever, did he have any way of knowing that this one random side-scroller flunky would ever be used again? Say he claimed that Abigail was gay or Belger was a rapist (and intended to violate Jessica) or Bred/Dug/J/Slash sold drugs to kiddies. Who cares; at the end of the game, they're all meat. No one could've predicted that a random generic gangbanger would have such an enduring legacy. So anyway, Poison is female, dammit, and it's only Capcom's endless ability to muck things up that's created even the slightest doubt otherwise.
I think Tiamat needs to come here to prove this right or wrong... but I believe Capcom of Japan offically list Poison as male in 'her' bios.
According to the "All About Capcom Head to Head Fighting Games 1987-2000" Book, she is male.
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| TiamatRoar
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| "Re(2):Random jump in-age" , posted Sat 21 Sep 12:19
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I think Tiamat needs to come here to prove this right or wrong... but I believe Capcom of Japan offically list Poison as male in 'her' bios.
Nah, I don't need to prove anything, since this argument has been done to death and thorougly analyzed in other threads. ^^ But I guess I can link to one of said threads for convenience's sake.
*checks*
Except said threads seem to be down by now. Hrm...
Well, anyways, the gist of it is that Poison's official bio says that 'she' is a new-half, but in Final Fight Revenge (made by Capcom of America), appears to be female in that game, then ends with "Could he have finally gone all the way and gotten a sex-change?"
If you're wondering what exactly a new-half is, either go watch the uncensored version of Pokemon Episode 18 or think about all the arguments that Poison can't be a guy because 'she' has breasts, then figure it out.
Regarding the ending of that bio, my guess is that Poison is now female because she storyline-wise went 'under the knife', so to speak (surgery, in layman's terms), but Capcom of Japan isn't willing to admit it because that would imply that Capcom of America has some say on what the canon storyline is, and Capcom of Japan really hates Capcom of America (all the text regarding Final Fight Revenge and any references to Capcom of America in official sources tends to be rather condescending or dodging, for one thing).
If you can't read Japanese, you can still see the universal symbol for male in her bio. I'd link to the scan, but like I said, the threads have all been scrolled away by now. In all honesty, I'm getting really annoyed that this stupid thing keeps coming up, because this is such an old and established fact that it's not funny, to the point where I practically instantly label anyone who doesn't believe it as lived in a cave for too damn long or is just really really REALLY in denial -_- For crying out loud, I'm pretty sure Iggy here already confirmed that 'her' bio lists 'her' as male, too. If you aren't going to believe either of us or anyone who can speak Japanese at all by this time, you aren't going to start, now.
Contrary to what the naysayers say, Billy and Sid have nothing to do with whether or not Poison is a guy, and the 'rumours' of Poison being a guy did NOT originally stem from those two. Poison was a guy long before Final Fight was made for the SNES and thus before Billy and Sid were even made by Capcom of America.
Anyways, always remember that Fox loves you.
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/fox.html
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| Dr Baghead 1596th Post
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| "Re(3):Random jump in-age" , posted Sat 21 Sep 12:54
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Nah, I don't need to prove anything, since this argument has been done to death and thorougly analyzed in other threads. ^^ But I guess I can link to one of said threads for convenience's sake.
*checks*
Except said threads seem to be down by now. Hrm...
Well, anyways, the gist of it is that Poison's official bio says that 'she' is a new-half, but in Final Fight Revenge (made by Capcom of America), appears to be female in that game, then ends with "Could he have finally gone all the way and gotten a sex-change?"
If you're wondering what exactly a new-half is, either go watch the uncensored version of Pokemon Episode 18 or think about all the arguments that Poison can't be a guy because 'she' has breasts, then figure it out.
Regarding the ending of that bio, my guess is that Poison is now female because she storyline-wise went 'under the knife', so to speak (surgery, in layman's terms), but Capcom of Japan isn't willing to admit it because that would imply that Capcom of America has some say on what the canon storyline is, and Capcom of Japan really hates Capcom of America (all the text regarding Final Fight Revenge and any references to Capcom of America in official sources tends to be rather condescending or dodging, for one thing).
If you can't read Japanese, you can still see the universal symbol for male in her bio. I'd link to the scan, but like I said, the threads have all been scrolled away by now. In all honesty, I'm getting really annoyed that this stupid thing keeps coming up, because this is such an old and established fact that it's not funny, to the point where I practically instantly label anyone who doesn't believe it as lived in a cave for too damn long or is just really really REALLY in denial -_- For crying out loud, I'm pretty sure Iggy here already confirmed that 'her' bio lists 'her' as male, too. If you aren't going to believe either of us or anyone who can speak Japanese at all by this time, you aren't going to start, now.
Contrary to what the naysayers say, Billy and Sid have nothing to do with whether or not Poison is a guy, and the 'rumours' of Poison being a guy did NOT originally stem from those two. Poison was a guy long before Final Fight was made for the SNES and thus before Billy and Sid were even made by Capcom of America.
Anyways, always remember that Fox loves you.
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/fox.html
I'm sorry I had to ask you to come into this Tiamat, I just didn't want to quote your arguements since I wasn't sure what Capcom of Japan's offical stance was (just that you said before she was by birth a male) So once again, sorry to drag you, but thanks for clearing it up
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| DKW
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| "Non-random followup" , posted Sat 21 Sep 14:20
TiamatRoar - Look, you're missing the point. Poison looks female, so of course everyone who does not have access to an obscure book only available in one country is going to assume she's female. There's no getting around this. And this wouldn't be a problem at all if she were just this random flunky in this one game. (I'm already irritated as hell, so I'll use whatever damn pronoun I want, thank you very much.) Same deal with switching around all the names in SF2. But guess what, Capcom somehow finds the need to keep reusing her, first in Final Fight Revenge, then as a Hugo's manager, and now in their new all-star game.
I won't go into the issue of what's the freaking point of making her a transsexual/cross dresser/whatever. But a recurring character, and especially one that a company is trying to popularize, should NOT be so ambiguous about something as fundamental as gender. This is not a minor issue; one of the biggest reasons a lot of the SF3 cast didn't become popular is that the players simply didn't know what to make of them. ("Man, what the hell is that, a really big pile of silly putty or something?") And if it turns out that Poison is revealed as a cross-dresser, I guarantee that no one in MY arcade is ever going to pick here again.
There are just some lines that shouldn't be crossed, especially when there's no point in doing so.
And just to get back on track, I can't wait to see a beta test of this game. I'm really looking forward to it despite everything.
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| Jazzie D 1536th Post
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| "Re(2):Azumanga Puzzle Bobble" , posted Sat 21 Sep 17:17
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After reading various reports, CAS won't be all that. So, why bother?
1) Reading reports and playing the game are two different things
2) It has Batsu and Akira representing Rival Schools(and hopefully they'll do a better job than Kyosuke did in CvS2)
3) Arcade, 50 cents, what's there to lose?
1. Yeah, I know, but never the less, I'm still not interested. I read the reports and took part in the CvS II test. I was right that the game sucked to me because it never did please me in the first place.
2. True, but I still want at least two more JG characters like Shouma and Natsu.
3. 50 cents can give me an ice cream, a small batch of gum, a Sanrio pencil, or so many other stuff. There's many other ways to spend 50 cents. Playing one game of CAS isn't one of them for me.
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| Radish 336th Post
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| "Re(3):Azumanga Puzzle Bobble" , posted Sat 21 Sep 18:15
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After reading various reports, CAS won't be all that. So, why bother?
1) Reading reports and playing the game are two different things
2) It has Batsu and Akira representing Rival Schools(and hopefully they'll do a better job than Kyosuke did in CvS2)
3) Arcade, 50 cents, what's there to lose?
1. Yeah, I know, but never the less, I'm still not interested. I read the reports and took part in the CvS II test. I was right that the game sucked to me because it never did please me in the first place.
2. True, but I still want at least two more JG characters like Shouma and Natsu.
3. 50 cents can give me an ice cream, a small batch of gum, a Sanrio pencil, or so many other stuff. There's many other ways to spend 50 cents. Playing one game of CAS isn't one of them for me.
I'm of the same frame of mind. It didn't help that I thought this was going to be like MvC2 but without Marvel and with more Capcom characters (the initial rumors indicated that this would be the case.) I don't like 3D fighters for the most part anyway, and this game doesn't look like anything special.
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| Iggy 662th Post
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| "Re(1):Non-random followup" , posted Sun 22 Sep 04:31
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Poison looks female, so of course everyone who does not have access to an obscure book only available in one country is going to assume she's female.
It's not just an obscure book. That book just tells again what everybody knows in Japan, and everybody on any forum talk of Poison as a "he with tits".
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And if it turns out that Poison is revealed as a cross-dresser, I guarantee that no one in MY arcade is ever going to pick here again.
There are just some lines that shouldn't be crossed, especially when there's no point in doing so.
I don't understand what you're saying, or more exactly, I would prefer not to understand it.
There is a reason if Capcom (of Japan) keep saying Poison is a new-half (if not, they could have turned back and say "tohoho, actually there was an error in that line, of course everybody understood we meant she was a girl, tohoho). If they didn't changed it, it's just because it is part of what make that character different, and in other words, interesting. A female Poison would just be another generic big breasted excuse for male player to BIIIIIIP on her (and yes, she would have been very popular to many the DoA fans) but in Japan, there are so many moe-moe characters that Poison standed no chance of beeing popular (especially when the same compagny created Morrigan). And even if she would have stood a chance, the creators didn't feel like it would have been a good idea. The point in making her a "he" is giving the character something no other character has, that make her different, and actually pretty funny. And it worked, since Poison is popular even though she was a punching ball in Final Fight, in the background of Guy's stages and appeared in Hugo's demo (and yes, she appeared in Final Fight Revenge as a playable character, but most japanese player prefer not to remember that part of the story. And most japanese players didn't liked the fact that Poison was a "she" in the game).
Or maybe I understood well from the begenning, the guys at your arcade just have a problem with anything that threatens their poor masculinity, and in that case, ...
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| YeldellGW 251th Post
Copper Customer
| "Re(1):Random jump in-age" , posted Sun 22 Sep 12:14
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About my only quibble would be with the new girl, and I do emphasie the word "girl". Is there some rule that one of the new characters ALWAYS has to be a cute little girly-girl teenybopper? I'm genuinely more than a little disturbed by this trend...there was the girly wrestler in SFA3 (yes, big tits, but it didn't hide the fact that she was girly) to go along with the girly rich snob, and before that Cammy and Sakura, who BOTH were refused the right to grow up for YEARS. And just take a look at the SNK females they picked: Yuri Sakazaki in full-bore "I'm just a little tomboy who thinks she can compete with the big boys!" mode, Athena Asamiya looking the way she did six years ago (apparently the same dorkwads who'd go ballistic if Sakura ever took off that stupid uni wouldn't get a heart attack at the sight of a short-haired, tall, mature Athena), King looking like a boy. And instead of any of the Last Blade characters we actually remember, we get angsty why-did-you-leave-me-daddy Takane Hibiki. You know, I remember a time when they put a 23-year-old woman in a fighting game, mainly because a woman's a lot easier to take seriously as a fighter than a girl, and how she's aged over the years really not being all that big a deal. I just don't understand why Capcom is now so damn afraid of letting their women be women, especially considering the flack other comapnies have gotten over an overemphasis on girls (hello, Tecmo!).
Geez! Exactly how old are you?! The only person I know of that uses the word teenybopper is my mom.
Personally, I prefer gameplay over character's looks.
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| Just a Person 328th Post
Bronze Customer
| "Re(1): Impressions about it ..." , posted Sun 22 Sep 12:54
Well,this game looks very promising . Although "Capcom Fighting All-Stars" sounds too obvious,it's nice to see a 3D-fighting game with famous Capcom characters,not-so-famous Capcom characters and brand-new Capcom characters and a real storyline .
About the characters,let's see ...
- Ryu : he's with the red bandana,what's nice (I was getting tired with the white one) . It's not surprising that he's here . That's all .
- Chun-Li : just like Ryu,it's not surprising that they added Chun-Li . She's very pretty . I'd like to know if she will be SFII-like or SFIII3rd.Strike-like .
- Haggar : well,he's probably here to replace Zangief . But that's nice,since we'll know where he was during all this time (coming back to Saturday Night Slam Masters,maybe) . Good one,Capcom !
- Akira and Batsu : two of the coolest fighters from Rival Schools . Somehow I expected Batsu to be in it,but I thought they would put Hinata instead of Akira . Actually,I'm expecting to see Akira's storyline in it . Both look good .
- Charlie/Nash : wasn't he dead ? Or is Capcom going to reveal that Charlie never really died in SFA3 ? Let's wait and see ! Another good choice .
- Hiryu : I like him,but it's unfair that he can use his sword against fighters without weapons (unless his sword is like Kenshin's) . Nice character .
- Alex : great choice !! SFIII characters are always welcome (at least for me,I like them) !
- Poison : cool ! I don't know if Poison is a man or a woman,and honestly,I don't care . She is cool anyway .
- Adon and Rose : there's a doubt about which of them (or both of them) will be in the game . I like them both,but since Rose disappeared mysteriously after SFA3,I'd choose her to know what happened to her .
- D.D.,Ingrid and Rook : the new characters look nice . They seem to have a connection among them,don't you agree ? About their looks,D.D. somehow reminds me of Vulcano Rosso (SF EX 3),Ingrid looks like a school-girl Kula Diamond,and I DON'T THINK that Rook looks like Benimaru (I think that he's more like VF Jacky Bryant) .
The stages are good,so are the characters' graphics . I can't wait to play it !
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| DKW
161th Post
Regular Customer
| "One more time..." , posted Sun 22 Sep 14:20
Iggy - It looks like I'm going to do another one of my spell-it-out-in-excruciating-detail dealies. (Note to anyone who's tired of my long posts: If you want to see less of them, get my point the first time.)
ISSUE 1: CROSS DRESSING? WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
No, seriously, what's the danged friggin' point of making some random flunky in a side-scrolling beat-em-up a highly sissified male? Anything?
ISSUE 2: WHY ARE THEY STILL CLINGING TO THIS ALBATROSS?
Let alone the issue of what's the point of staying with it post-Final Fight. I mean, call me naive or whatever, but doncha think Capcom would prefer star characters that didn't require explaining game after game? We regularly have screaming matches over the color of Ryu's headband,, for crying out loud; how do you think cross dressing is going to go over?
I mean, compare the following:
New player: Who's that?
Savvy veteran: Poison. She was one of Mad Gear's flunkies in Final Fight. Capcom then put her in Final Fight Revenge...obscure 3D fighter, you don't know abou tit...aaaand mad her Hugo's manager in Street Fighter 3.
NP: She looks kinda...trashy.
SV: Well, that's kinda the point. She was a "bad girl" pretty much from the beginning.
NP: [pause] Cool.
SV: Yeah. Anyway, she plays like...
As opposed to...
NP: Who's that?
SV: Poison. He was one of Mad Gear's flunkies in...
NP: Wait a minute, did you say "he"?
SV: Yes. Poison is a guy.
NP: No she isn't.
SV: He's a cross-dresser. He only looks like a woman.
NP: Aw, c'mon, that's ridiculous. Why would they make her...uh, him a cross-dresser?
SV: Well, you see, at the time this game got ported, Mortal Kombat had just come out. I know it's totally dead and sucky now, but at the time it was THE arcade megasmash, and it had been drawing a lot of heat for the "Fatalities". Well, actually two Fatalities, Kano's and Sub-zero's, and I hardly even heard about the others, but never mind. Anyway, now we have this huge dumb backlash against video games. Capcom's always been a little paranoid about their public image, and they didn't want to deal with the "propogating violence against women" crap, so they decide that those trashy ladies in Final Fight weren't ladies at all. They went a step further in the SNES port by replacing them entirely with "Billy" and "Sid", but they were stuck with the arcade originals, and when they wanted to use Poison again, they had to remember that the made her a he. Now you know.
NP: Okay...that kinda makes...
SV: Wait, wait, that's not right...they intended to make Poison a cross-dresser from the very beginning. It says so in this book written completely in Japanese and available only in Japan. Yeah.
NP: A book available only in Japan?. But I've never been to Japan. How was I supposed to know?
SV: Okay...the thing is...
NP: And why not just change her back? I mean, maybe it's not a problem when she's just this gal...GUY, guy. Geez. It's not a problem when all you're doing is knocking him around. But if they're going to put him in a fighting game, why not make it simpler for those of us who don't have this dumb book you mentioned and make him a her again? I mean, they've done worse in that stupid SF2 re-re-re-revision on that portable system.
SV: Um...okay, like I said, you gotta understand that there's this whole cultural thing with Japan, which is a lot more relaxed about issues such as cross dressing than American audiences. So you have Capcom of America, who's dealing with a known cross-dress but doesn't want to reveal the fact that...
NP: Oh, forget it! I'll just pick Ryu again!
SV: Yes...that would be a good idea.
Again, when trying to popularize characters, I cannot overemphasize the importance of making them identifiable and easy to grasp. Why has Dhalsim never been all that popular, despite the fact that he's often one of the most powerful characters in the game? Because players don't know how to play a slow-footed stretchy-limbed wizard. Why was the SF3 cast so roundly blasted? Because they looked funny and had unorthodox attacks. Now, you put in a freaking cross-dresser (might I add, there's a not-insignificant proportion of our country that has a strong prejudice against this practice) and expect to make him a hit. If a big-breasted female wrestler couldn't sell, what chance do you think Poison has?
ISSUE 3: NO ONE AT MY ARCADE EVER TOUCHING HER AGAIN IF SHE'S REVEALED TO BE AN AMAZINGLY CONVINCING CROSS DRESSER.
Believe it. Us Hawaii residents are not renowned for embracing sexual ambiguity. (We don't persecute it or anything, but we'd rather not have it in our faces, either.)
YeldellGW - Lay off, bud. I'm not one of those shallow clods who always needs his jargon cool and hip and updated to the freaking nanosecond.
For the record, I've used "teenybopper" on numerous occasions. I just think it fits in this case. Besides, "pre-pubescent" just grates.
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| "Re(1):One more time..." , posted Sun 22 Sep 16:52
DKW, if you wanna' have a problem with it, fine. Not everyone out there accepts cross-dressers/transexuals/gays/whatever, and _I_ can accept _that_. Hell, I'm not narrowminded enough to think everyone loves me, or ever will (I'm gay btw, if that hasn't caught on yet). But why are you still harping on about this issue? You just can't let it lie and accept that this is how it is, and that most people (out of Hawaii?) wouldn't have a real problem with it, since it's just a freaking character in a game. Hell, if I were to shy away from every hetero character in fighting games I'd get to play... who? Not even f-cking Benimaru. :) I feel this is kinda' getting out of hand. Yare yare. I could probably say more, but I feel my time is better wasted on cooking than on this. *wanders off*
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| "Re(1):One more time..." , posted Mon 23 Sep 09:18
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A couple things about your rant DKW:
1) Technically, Poison isn't cross-dressing. A new-half isn't a cross dresser because the new-half doesn't think of "himself" as male. "He" thinks of himself as female, so dressing up like one is more natural to "him".
2) As has been stated, this is known in Japan which, I might add, is where Poison and the games she appears in were created (with the sole exception of FFR, which we'll ignore for now), which is important; it's not like this information is only available from some book in Zimbabwe; it's available in not just one but *several* Capcom of Japan sponsored books, and has been for years. However, it has never been mentioned in any of the games - Capcom is notorious for creating back stories for characters yet having no hint about them in their games. Because it's never been mentioned, it's most likely Capcom USA doesn't know about Poison's true gender.
3) A further note: Poison has considered male since *before* FF1 arcade came out. The SNES and Nintendo and MK had nothing to do with it. However, I think it has been stated that Poison was intended to be female originally during production, but Capcom USA said something to the effect of
"it's not okay to beat up girls", so in response Capcom of Japan turned Poison (and her pallete swap, Roxy) into new-halfs before the game was completed. After that first identity switch, they've remained as new-halfs ever since.
Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. I found out about this in 1997, an after I found out it was true, I said to myself "Eh, big deal. Who cares?". She's such a minor character. Even making her playable doesn't exactly catapult her to the top of the character heap or anything.
Also DKW, I hope you know Hawaii has it's fair share of new-halfs/shemales/transsexuals as well. Some good-looking ones too, I might add. ;)
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but he sure is kicking ass!"-Dead team mate waiting to respawn in SOCOM.
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Did anyone else crack up when they read this sentence: "Poison, in case you don't recall, was one of the series of generic palette-swapped hookers in the Final Fight beat-'em-ups. No, we don't know what gender Capcom has settled on for this appearance" :p
