| Original message ([an error occurred while processing this directive] Views )[an error occurred while processing this directive]
|
Replies:
|
| Dr Baghead 1560th Post
 
Red Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member
    
    
    
    
|  "Re(1):KOF storyline"
, posted Mon 16 Sep 20:09
quote:
It seems that most people here are big fans of the KOF series, so I wonder if any of you could tell me the events that followed KOF 98. I think I've got the whole picture 'till KOF 97 (all the Orochi stuff), but from there on I'm totally lost. I've read some FAQs but still I can't make head nor tails of the NEST Cartel (what/who are they?), or when characters such as Vanessa and Kula appeared and why they joined the tournament.
Thanks in advance
I'd like to know about that too...
I mean, are Ramon, Seth, and Vanessa working for the same people? what about Lin? I sort of get the whole K' storyline, but only in the small window of him, Maxima, and Whip's roles... the rest of the story is like Greek translated into Spanish, then German, then Japanese then back to Greek through babblefish and writen backwords with every other vowel replaced by a cobra to me...
|
| Zyzyfer 609th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
|  "Re(2):KOF storyline"
, posted Mon 16 Sep 21:27
'98-officially a dream match. in hong kong comic circles, it was shingo's dream.
'99-krizalid attempts to create an army of kyo clones using genetic dna from kyo. he manages to create the clones, but he needs trigger data(the killer instinct in a fighter), to initiate the killing spree with those kyo clones. k' is supposed to be able to absorb fighter's data through his outfit(?). he fights through the tournament, collecting data, and then comes time for him to transfer the data to krizalid, who can do the same thing with his suit. k' rebels and the team fights krizalid. i've heard that they still can't beat krizalid, but then kyo interferes and downs the guy. mysterious voice(later identified as 2k zero) drops a big rock on krizalid, killing him.
in the endings, it's revealed that k' isn't the clone of anyone, but he does have kyo's genetic dna. he was like a middleman guinea pig of sorts in nests' attempt to create the perfect fighter. krizalid was the next step, and was a direct clone. whip reveals to krizalid, who lays dying under a rock, that she isn't his sister.
k' becomes the sought-after vagabond of nests, who simultaneously is trying to destroy nests and find out the past that the operations on him have removed from his memory.
2k-the story gets shaky from here on. k' and maxima enlist the help of new people to chase after nests in seth and lin. lin is long/ron's mortal enemy. long slew lin's ninja clan, betraying them for more power through nests. so lin wants revenge. seth is just an investigator.
as for ramon, he's in love with vanessa. and vanessa is another investigator. they teamed up with benimaru and shingo. not sure why.
heidern reappears, heading the ikaris in their own investigation(the main one).
during the tournament, a strange woman with icy powers interferes. it turns out she seems to be the anti-k', another fighter designed to defeat k' in krizalid's failure. her name is kula.
zero finally reveals himself. he looks exactly like one of heidern's goons(ling), who then pulls a gun and holds heidern hostage so that the fight can take place. zero, of course, has a cannon in space which requires the fighters' efforts to fuel it. it's aimed at southtown and he wants to blow it sky-high.
now, zero is rebelling against nests, and apparently he's going to destroy their headquarters through this zero cannon.
everyone fights. zero gets defeated by (presumably) k' and friends. he's not dead, though, and he pushes the button on the cannon. but it doesn't seem to be working.
up in space, we see kula standing on the cannon. she destroys it, but not before it finally gets a shot off(this could be because ling *also* had a button in heidern's base, but i'm not really sure). it blows southtown sky-high. foxy and diana(kula's assistants and possibly relatives) finish off zero, but kula is falling back to earth through space, which will kill her. somehow, miraculously, her robot striker friend(candy) saves her from the fall.
in the end, kula fulfills her duties as a nests operative, defeating zero. but southtown was destroyed, leaving heidern and his operation humiliated.
2k1-anyone can do a better job than me? i gotta go.
I don't mind the sun sometimes the image as it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes...
|
| Freeter 3180th Post
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master
   
| "Re(3):KOF storyline" , posted Mon 16 Sep 21:51
quote:
2k-the story gets shaky from here on. k' and maxima enlist the help of new people to chase after nests in seth and lin. lin is long/ron's mortal enemy. long slew lin's ninja clan, betraying them for more power through nests. so lin wants revenge. seth is just an investigator.
as for ramon, he's in love with vanessa. and vanessa is another investigator. they teamed up with benimaru and shingo. not sure why.
Ramon and Vanessa teamed with K' and Maxima, and Seth was Beni's friend.
quote:
2k1-anyone can do a better job than me? i gotta go.
The gist of it:
K' and crew decide to waste NESTS once and for all. K9999 and Angel try to stop them, but don't succeed.
Entering the NESTS base(in SPACE), they meet the big daddy behind it all, Igniz, the lovable bishonen villain. He wants to rule the world. K' and co. disagree. They rumble, and Iggy gets his arse whupped.
Pissed that he couldn't win and his boots got dirty, ol' Iggy pulls a Rugal. K' and crew survive by unexplainable forces, and everything's A-OK. Kula and Whip head off to Dairy Queen, Maxima tries to get Playmore to make a Robo Army sequel, and K' leaves to buy more Ray-Bans.
Meanwhile, Kyo and co. take off to play some DDR, while Shingo meets Saisyu and learns to study earwax.
KNOW YOUR ROLE
|
| Gen 665th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(4):KOF storyline" , posted Mon 16 Sep 22:57:
quote:
Entering the NESTS base(in SPACE), they meet the big daddy behind it all, Igniz, the lovable bishonen villain. He wants to rule the world. K' and co. disagree. They rumble, and Iggy gets his arse whupped.
Iggy is lovable.
quote:
Kula and Whip head off to Dairy Queen, Maxima tries to get Playmore to make a Robo Army sequel, and K' leaves to buy more Ray-Bans.
Meanwhile, Kyo and co. take off to play some DDR, while Shingo meets Saisyu and learns to study earwax.
haha.
makondo99, the best way to find out what happens in 99-2001 is to play through the game with each team and view their dialogues and endings. There are some audio dialogues in Japanese that may be slightly revealing though (and it will be some time before I expect to see a pro-quality translation of them all, if ever.)
As far as I know there's no special edit teams in 99-2001, there is just a generic ending for an edited team. I've read that 2001 has an edit team ending. When I played 2001 with the characters that are supposed to be selected for the special ending, I didn't notice any difference in the ending. If there is something different than the generic edit team ending, then it is probably just a cut and paste of like 2 other endings.
Beware of story guides like some on gamefaqs.com because some of the writers intentionally or unintentionally inject misinterpretations, material from sources other than the arcade games, and fan fiction into the story guides. The problem is when they don't say "this is from a comic", because probably many readers will read the guide and think its official story and won't know on their own that it was from a comic. (Gamefaqs it self isn't really bad, I look up moves their sometimes although I stay away from gameplay guides.)
The best way is from the games themselves, although even for people who have seen the endings, they still don't make sense.
(So of course if anyone else wants to post more story of course please continue.)
[this message was edited by Gen on Tue 17 Sep 10:50] |
| Iggy 630th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(4):KOF storyline" , posted Tue 17 Sep 01:54
quote:
Entering the NESTS base(in SPACE), they meet the big daddy behind it all, Igniz, the lovable bishonen villain. He wants to rule the world. K' and co. disagree. They rumble, and Iggy gets his arse whupped.
Pissed that he couldn't win and his boots got dirty, ol' Iggy pulls a Rugal. K' and crew survive by unexplainable forces, and everything's A-OK. Kula and Whip head off to Dairy Queen, Maxima tries to get Playmore to make a Robo Army sequel, and K' leaves to buy more Ray-Bans.
Meanwhile, Kyo and co. take off to play some DDR, while Shingo meets Saisyu and learns to study earwax.
LOL!
I don't remember THAT part of the game....
And about the edit team : Kula has an ending in 2000 and I thought Kyo and Iori had one too if you take both of them, but I didn't get anything in the DC version...
|
| Burning kyo 889th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member++
|  "Re(5):KOF storyline"
, posted Tue 17 Sep 05:23:
quote:
Entering the NESTS base(in SPACE), they meet the big daddy behind it all, Igniz, the lovable bishonen villain. He wants to rule the world. K' and co. disagree. They rumble, and Iggy gets his arse whupped.
Pissed that he couldn't win and his boots got dirty, ol' Iggy pulls a Rugal. K' and crew survive by unexplainable forces, and everything's A-OK. Kula and Whip head off to Dairy Queen, Maxima tries to get Playmore to make a Robo Army sequel, and K' leaves to buy more Ray-Bans.
Meanwhile, Kyo and co. take off to play some DDR, while Shingo meets Saisyu and learns to study earwax.
LOL!
I don't remember THAT part of the game....
And about the edit team : Kula has an ending in 2000 and I thought Kyo and Iori had one too if you take both of them, but I didn't get anything in the DC version...
Kyo 'n Iori have a common ending in 2k
"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"
[this message was edited by Burning kyo on Tue 17 Sep 06:26] |
| Toxico 2254th Post
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master
| "My own LONG version:" , posted Tue 17 Sep 06:33:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Knowing the enemy:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is the background history of KoF '2000, I heard you ask???;
what??, you did not?? I am sure you did...
* never argue with crazy people *
Needed or not; liked or not; these are my owns interpretations of the
events that happen to occur on KoF '2000:
***********************************************************************
- First of all after '99, Maxima and K' are attacking as many NESTS
bases as they can; in order to damage NESTS and find out something
about K' past life.
- Kyo Kusanagi has no interest of what is happening to the world...
or so it seems; because he is nowhere to be found.
- The militia joins forces with an external agency in order to capture
Maxima and K'; so they set up KoF and send Vanessa to search them; the
original plan is to capture Maxima and K' to find out about NESTS bases
and when they got a target; use a serie of satellites called "Zero
Cannon" to destroy all the bases... note that it is a network of
several satellites (20); one satellite alone means no harm; can be
taken out easily.
- Lin's leader; Long - Rong -Ron (I have see him with this 3 names)
dissapears, and Lin is worried and tries to find him.
- NESTS is worried about K' being a problem to them and develop a
fighter with the main object to destroy him; she is Kula.
- Vanessa uses her charms to convince a Mexican wrestler to team up
with her.
- Seth convinces Lin to team up with him; in exchange of information
of his leader whereabouts... they do team with Benimaru and Shingo; as
you may know it... I believe the purpose of this team is to watch K'
and Maxima from close.
- Mary is hired by an unknown person to find out about NESTS; Terry
promishes to protect her and help her (Rurouni Kenshin anyone???)
- Zero uses his special skills (form change) to disguise as Ling;
important officer that is working with Heidern; he put a clone of Ling
in the main base with Heidern; while Zero watches the situation
carefully.
- KoF '2000 happens.
- After KoF; one of the satellites "Zero Cannon" is used to
destroy Zero's base; Zero has no intention of hand over his plan of
world domination to NESTS; so he was a "free agent"; the responsibles
of Zero's death are NESTS, mainly Diana, Foxy, Candy and Kula.
- Whip separates from the Ikari team; after obtaining some valuable
information from Zero's base.
- Heidern stops Ling's clone; South Town gets destroyed.
- Benimaru Team and K' Team got dispelled.
* For the rest; I advice seen any indivitual endings... GO TO THE
ARCADES. *
I am now to post all the unconfirmed info, confirmed info and the
teories I got on the NESTS saga... that I know of; after all, I just
saw two endings of KoF '2001 (Hero & NESTS teams); I thought that I
could do this section as some kind of Essay to add style to it (Sue me;
I am studing again). Well, here it goes:
Before KoF '99 =
Kyo & Iori dissapear after the end of the Orochi battle; Kyo is abducted
by NESTS & Iori just vanishes... All the people that know Iori and Kyo
know not where they are.
The Ikari Team investigates several terrorist acts; thanks to an informer
(code name S.A.L.L.Y.) they know that a large organization (we, NESTS)
are behind these acts... thanks to our strategical superiority they have
not managed to capture any of us nor to stop our operations.
S.A.L.L.Y. is an ex-member of our cartel named MUCHIKO... she discovered
that we used our 'special treatment' and erased her memory; so she left
us because she felt used... silly girl.
Kyo gets cloned.
Kyo Escapes.
Benimaru & Shingo recieve letters to enter a new edition of 'The King of
Fighters'; but two of the team entries are taken by two names; Maxima &
K'; two of our mens.
First Proyect "Operation of Krizalid" - KoF '99 =
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Objectives:
1.- Create the most powerful fighter.
2.- Capture the "Fighting Data" (capabilities) of the fighter.
3.- Assessinate the fighter.
4.- Implant all the data on Kyo's clones (not only the strenght of the
fighter; but also the 'killer instinct' of the one that killed him; so
the clones can fight like gods and kill like demons.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* How to perform:
1.- Grab a person and implant him some of Kyo's fighting data; erase
every memory that the subject has and put him to fight... the fact that
he has nothing to care about; no family or friends should make him fight
violently without holding back (add also the fact that he is being forced
to fight in a tournament that he happens to dislike); without compasion
nor any feeling; also note that this person can not fully control Kyo's
power; so he must use a leather suit to preotect from the flames and a
special glove that we setted up to help him focus his strenght.
2.- Put this person to battle with the world greatest fighters in a
tournament helded by our organization; so he can improve his fighting
skills; for this purpose we must send someone with him to back him up so
he "does not lose his way" and keep fighting; also this person will have
the ability to read the data of the enemy; to select the best targets,
he also has a body armor that has proven to be useful by it's
extraordinary resistance. Do not forget that the tournament must be
held "modestly", no one has to know what we are up to.
3.- Put another fighter with the same characteristic of the subject
(strenght; stamina; speed) to slay him; in this fighter we should use
our special "treatment" to direct his will as we please; make him evil
and decide to finish his foe.
4.- Our fighter; the one that is to assassinate K' will have a special
suit that will allow him to 'read' the moves that his enemy uses.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Result... Failure?:
1.- Our main fighter at this time; Krizalid got defeated by Kyo Kusanagi
after he was on the upper edge on a battle with K' & Maxima; and they
both fleed from our cartel.
2.- Our clones could not have being activated properly without the info
necessary to kill.
3.- The army, who moved quickly did dicovered our plan and controled all
of our clones.
4.- After we did slew Krizalid -and erased his memory- we fleed our
premises fearing the income of the army.
5.- Even though this; this could be qualificated as a positive experiment;
we did obtained K's data; and there is a confusion on K's mind that if he
is a clon of Krizalid or if Krizalid is a clon of his... this my help to
get him become stronger... Whip (Muchiko) may ruin this because she believes
that she is K's sister; thus meaning to K' that he is an 'original'; note
that the idea of K' being a clon of Krizalid was implanted in Krizalid;
and he pointed that to K'.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Escential characters on our proyect:
K' (read k dash) = There is nothing more to say about him.
Maxima = We later dicovered that this person was infiltred on our cartel
with the hope of distroying it; due to the fact the we killed
and old war partner of him... this person helped K' to escape
from the Army stopping the bullets when K's gloves was
unfuntional.
Krizalid = Nothing more has to be said about him.
Whip = This person is not only colaborating with the army by attacking
our bases; but she also has some idea of who she is after we
'brainwashed' her.
Kyo Kusanagi = This person my try to take revenge due to the fact that we
captured him and we used his strenght.
Heidern = This is the master mind that the army used to undeveal our
plans; he will surely will not lower his guard due to the fact
that he knows about us and our objective (world conquest).
Blue Mary = someone or something has hired her to dig info about us...
giving it a better thought; she is not a treat that needs to
be taken care of; she is of no importance to us.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Consecuences:
Even though we did have a 'level' of successfulness with the '99 plan;
we have lost some of our most valuable fighters (K', Maxima, Krizalid,
Muchiko, Kyo's clones) so we need to build up our lines again so this
fact won't make us lose 'balance'... what we need.
A strong fighter we can rely on: we will try to add him some special
skills that have to be defined yet (Form changes is a tentative
posibility)
A fighter that is to deal with K' & Maxima: these two fighters may seek
revenge at us; so it is better to not leave this business unatendent.
Strong fighters in general: even though our lines are very capable the
world is very large and there is bond to be fighters around... we have
found word that there are some 'Hizoku Ninjas' that have extraordinary
fighting skills; and the more suitable fact is that the leader of that
clan; Ron is a very ambitious and corrupt man; afortunatly, we are that
and much more; so there are chances that we might add this person to our
ranks.
***********************************************************************
Second proyect: "Zero" -Kof '2000=
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Situation:
K' & Maxima are searching for NESTS bases to destroy the, hoping to destroy
our main base... sadly we will have no time to deal with these traitors.
We have found that the army is holding a new KoF tournament; with the
objective to lure K' and Maxima in; the army will not host the tournament
alone, they will use the help of some kind of 'Agency' that will ensure the
presence of K' & Maxima.
The objective of luring K' & Maxima is to found out more about our cartel;
we can use this as a golden oportunity.
We -the NESTS- are to infiltrate on that agency and destroy the leaders of
the army... the sad part is that we have had word that one of our members
has betrayed us and is using this plan to destroy us and rule the world
with iron hand; this man is called Zero.
We are now to send a squad to exterminate K', Zero and anyone who gets on
our way; this squad will be composed of Anti-K' (A fighter that we have
created using the opposite method that we used to raise K'), Candy (A
robot and friend of anti-K'; this robot has the mission to be the best
friend of anti-K' to ensure her loyalty; since anti-K' is young will not
suspect anything) and two of our elite forces; Foxy & Diana (both of them
happen to be expert swordman... swordgirls I mean).
The agency has a line of 20 battle satelites called "Zero Cannon"... if
our escaped member manages to size these we might have troubles.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* The tournament:
We failed to give importance to some troubles and now we have many people
searching for us:
K', Maxima, Ramon, Vanessa: K' & Maxima are looking for revenge; Vanessa is
working for the 'agency' that is trying to destroy us and Ramon is a
prominent Mexican wrestler that seems to have romantic interest on Vanessa;
these persons are a threat; but we trust our squad.
Benimaru, Shingo, Lin, Seth: We wrongly overlooked the fact that Benimaru &
Shingo knew about our activities; and they have asambled a team with Seth
-man of the 'agency' that is hunting us- and Lin -A strong figther from
those 'Hizoku Ninjas'; this person is looking for his Leader; if he finds
out about that we have recluted his leader he may go against us; pitiful
fact that this man has total loyalty to his ninja tradition and surely won't
join us like his leader did-.
Terry, Andy, Joe, Mary: Mary has managed to convince Terry Bogard; a famous
fighter, to help her dig info about us... yet they have no means to find
about our primal objectives; though.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* The result... success:
Our squad has managed to stop the menace that Zero (a traitor) did meant
for us... now we can focus on our following proyects; other than that we
did not destroyed any other jeopardy; K' and Maxima have found Whip and
have now K' has slight clues of who he is; at least he is convinced that
Muchiko is his sister.
When we taked out Zero we 'accidentaly' destroyed southtown; place where
Zero's base was located.
We experimented no serious consecuences after this tournament; unlike the
last year.
We have lost Candy; who sacrified herself to save the Anti-K'... this is a
good thing; because the Anti-K' is more important than Candy anyway; we are
in the process of creating a new Candy robot as a reward to her (she was one
of the main causes of the destruction of the Zero Cannon).
***********************************************************************
Third Proyect; "The Raising" -KoF '2001:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* The Situation:
I can say now that we have managed... we have restrengthened our lines
and I believe that is finally time to wipe out the traitors; on our lines
we have:
Original Zero: It was a pitiful fact; but the other Zero did not knew that
he was a clon of this person... of course the power of a clon is not
comparable to the real thing.
K9999 (Read K four nine): We have made some important technological advances
on the last years and I believe that this person has been enthrusted with
great strengh; he has not only the power to use fire like K'; but also he
can change the parst of his body into drills or anything useful to destroy
the enemy... the only problem is that this experiment has some trouble
controling his powers and his body sometimes 'defigurates' if he loses the
control. This weapon has not only the same objective that K' had (creating
strong info that we might use); but also has the asigment to destroy K'.
Kula: This is Anti-K'; we believe that the combined force of her and K49
will be enough to destroy the traitors.
Foxy: This is other of the ones that caused the destruction of the "Zero
Cannon"; she has to take care of Anti-K' while we are producting another
Candy.
Angel (Read Annhell): This is one of our regular troops; she has a certain
level of strenght and feel some kind of attraction to K49.
Krizalid: We have managed to make another clone of K'; we have him just in
case... after all; he proved to be useful on the past.
Ron: The leader of the Hizoku Ninjas... we used some treatments on him for
him to reach his fighting peak... We are hoping that this fighter can probe
his usefulness to us.
Ignis: This person is second in command of our organization; he has a good
level of strenght.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* The plan:
We have no need to elavorate a complicated plan to lure in our enemies;
we just simplily host the KoF tournament with one team registered; called
'NESTS team'... remember that NESTS is a name know for a few; so we have
no need to cover ourselves.
Using this strategy we hope to attract all of the fighters that have some
problems with us: (K', Maxima, Whip, Lin, Benimaru, Kyo, Shingo, Heidern
and his troops, Mary & her friends); simple strategy that has proben to be
effective.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* The result... failed:
Ignis has slayed our leader and has taken the lead, hoping to size the
info of the winners to become a God; unfortunatly he also has been
killed... the whereabouts of Zero & Krizalid are unknown -maybe they have
died when the space station where Ignis was crashed-; Diana, Foxy & Kula
have betrayed us, K49 and Annhell still seem to have some loyalty towards
NESTS... but we have no leader and that might lead to the dispel of our
cartel; yet rumor has it that Ron & Ignis girlfriend -Misty- are teaming
up and planning to make their own crusade... maybe they will have chances to
achive our long lost desire of the eternal rule over the lands of the mens.
I will up-date the essay now that I HAVE played KoF '2001, but that won't be done soon
[this message was edited by Toxico on Tue 17 Sep 06:53] |
| Gen 665th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(5):KOFearwax" , posted Tue 17 Sep 10:53
quote:
Entering the NESTS base(in SPACE), they meet the big daddy behind it all, Igniz, the lovable bishonen villain. He wants to rule the world. K' and co. disagree. They rumble, and Iggy gets his arse whupped.
Pissed that he couldn't win and his boots got dirty, ol' Iggy pulls a Rugal. K' and crew survive by unexplainable forces, and everything's A-OK. Kula and Whip head off to Dairy Queen, Maxima tries to get Playmore to make a Robo Army sequel, and K' leaves to buy more Ray-Bans.
Meanwhile, Kyo and co. take off to play some DDR, while Shingo meets Saisyu and learns to study earwax.
LOL!
I don't remember THAT part of the game....
And about the edit team : Kula has an ending in 2000 and I thought Kyo and Iori had one too if you take both of them, but I didn't get anything in the DC version...
Yeah of course thems, I was thinking of 2001 mainly. I mean it's not like 97.
|
| DKW
153th Post
Regular Customer
| "Nests Story: Beginner's Guide" , posted Tue 17 Sep 18:05
First off, lemme make it clear that there is absolutely no way Unoriginal Zero (the one in '00) coudl've destroyed Southtown. Repeat, there is no way, no way, nohow that Unoriginal Zero could've even had the OPPORTUNITY to destroy Southtown. A minute of logical thought will easily prove this to you (admittedly, this can be a scarce commodity when it comes to fighting game discussion, but I'll let that pass).
Here we go. Part 1...tournament rundown!
'98: Okay, the handheld game, '99 ripoff or no, at the very least established what I thought was pretty freaking obvious: There was a '98 tournament. Might've involved someone named after the purple-haired singer in Pop 'n Music 5 (I'm sorry, I just can't resist a gratuitous PnM reference...), might've not, but it doesn't matter, the point is THERE WAS SOMETHING. So...ta da!...KOF '98 actually happened. Maybe not exactly as portrayed in KOF '98, but c'mon, how many half-baked "official stories" involve quadruple teams or demonic possession or other assorted crap that could not have happened in the game?
"Aahhh! Geez, Darrell, not again! We've told you a zillion skillion jillion quillion times that '98 was a COMPLETELY NONEXISTENT TOURNAMENT THAT NEVER NEVER EVER HAPPENED! AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!" And I agree totally...i.e., that '98 was a Dream Match. Now it's not. What, you never heard of retcon? Isn't that exactly what each and every official story turns into? Oh, yeah, The Company Formerly Known As SNK doesn't believe in retcon, just like everyone they kill is forever and ever dead. Like, get real.
'99: Enter The Cartel With The Name Not Even Their Own Members Know The Meaning Of! Yep, a whole new era begins here, with K & Max spearheading a grand new era of heroes...and, amazingly, not being thrown to the winds after two years like the New Face Team. Meanwhile, a minor officer named Krizalid creates a bunch of Kyo Kusanagi clones for reasons that'll become clear sometime in the indeterminate future.
'00: The plot kinda thickens, somewhat. Turns out that the mysterious leader who accused K and Maxima of treason is himself a rebel. The clones were just a test run of his magnanimous power; the real deal is that big orbiting cannon he's been feeding clone data and battle energy into.
Note: If you're really gonna believe that Zero actually destroyed Southtown, you have to accept ALL of the following as fact:
1. Zero pushing the button, with the cannon fully charged, and absolutely nothing happening, is not indicative of his failure to fire the cannon.
2. Kula D, after taking control of the cannon (which was the chief reason Zero couldn't fire it) to save the Nests HQ in Southtown, decides to let someone destroy her home anyway,
3. Somehow the cannon, after Kula uses it to wipe out Zero, still has enough juice left over to completely destroy Southtown.
And you ridicule me for daring to believe that KOF '98 existed? Shame.
'01: Finally, the truth is revealed...all the clones, hokey plots, big schemes, infighting, etc. etc...were all just a huge plot by the big cheeze, Igniz, to increase his power and eventually become strong enough to take over the world. Sheesh, like you couldn't see that coming. Actually, it's a bit of a relief that the whole Nests plot was really simple after all; one man using manipulating events to his advantage and advancing a phony cause to further his own selfish ends. Kinda par for the course for KOF when you think about it.
Part 2: Stuff your really should know about the characters by now.
K: Not a clone. Repeat, not a clone. Krizalid lied about that; Whip eventually debunked that myth. He received the benefits of Nests' genetic engineering, but his birth was as normal as anyone else's. Suspected something was up with the whole cartel from the beginning and never was loyal even before '99. Eventually turned into a staunch enemy.
Maxima: K's brother in arms. Less passionate about things than K; doesn't particularly favor or disfavor the cartel's purpose on the whole. Gets his amazing abilities from his suit and has no bio-enhanced powers.
Kula: Like K, a normal person turned into a Nests assassin. More receptive to Nests' psychological manipulation and is fiercely loyal until near the end. Originally programmed as the "Anti-K", proven usless in this regard; finally saw the truth and made up with him in the end. Like a normal 14-year-old in nearly all other aspects, right down to sometimes just needing a hug.
Whip: K's sister and former Nests initiate who saw the evil behind the organization and walked out. Because of her wisdom, she was not subject to any experimentation, manipulation, enhancement, etc.
Krizalid: A clone of K and puppet of Unoriginal Zero. His cruelty was what finally turned K and Maxima against the cartel...or rather, the UZ-led faction. Fairly minor character. A new version appears as one of the real Zero's strikers.
Unoriginal Zero: A clone, most likely that of "Ling", the Nests agent who infiltrates Heidern's watchdog group. He was the leader of one of the cartel's numerous breakaway factions. He stole the Zero Cannon in an attempt to destroy the Nests HQ. He also was the one who sent Kula after K, a diversion to keep them both busy and unaware of his true plans.
Diana, Foxy, and Candy: Kula's loyal soldiers, also fierce defenders of the cartel.
Zero: Igniz's second-in-command. His purpose in '01 was to test the winning team to see if they were worthy of learning the truth behind the cartel. It's uncertain as to whether he's alive or not at the end of '01.
Igniz: The otherworldy being behind it all. Reveals that everything was his doing and that he'll be a god among men.
K9999 and Angel: Igniz's unwitting patsies who enter '01 thinking that they're "the chosen ones" or some junk. K9999 is the ultimate Nests bio-form, and the only Nests agent in the tourney who wasn't born naturally (far too messed up physically to be that). Angel is just some cheesecake gullible enough to go along with Igniz's plan.
Which reminds me, I gotta finish my '00 and '01 stories sometime...
homepage - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/dkwff
|
| makondo99
23th Post
New Customer
| "Re(1):Nests Story: Beginner's Guide" , posted Tue 17 Sep 20:16:
Thanks for all the feedback. Now I'm more confused than before...
Not really, I think I got some pretty interesting data here, again thanks.
Zyzyfer
quote:
in the endings, it's revealed that k' isn't the clone of anyone, but he does have kyo's genetic dna. he was like a middleman guinea pig of sorts in nests' attempt to create the perfect fighter
Am I right to infer that this "perfect fighter" is K9999? It was posted here that this character was created in NEST's labs, with some nifty add-ons...
Gen
quote:
makondo99, the best way to find out what happens in 99-2001 is to play through the game with each team and view their dialogues and endings
I would do that, if I were able to. Unfortunately my skills at KOF 98-2001 suck big time. I was an average fighter back in KOF 94 and 95, but from 96 on something happened and I couldn't adapt myself to the changes... 96 meant the end of the "fireball" stage, 97 introduced this "stock" system and from 98(?) onwards things got worse for me with those crazy strikers or the "emoticons" system. I'm not saying that the game sucked, it was my fault that I couldn't adapt to its many changes... but my interest in the KOF series was ever present so I tried to follow the storyline to see what was happening in the KOF land, but most info I gathered was contradictory or senseless...and judging from what I've read so far the story IS contradictory and senseless...
quote:
Beware of story guides like some on gamefaqs.com because some of the writers intentionally or unintentionally inject misinterpretations, material from sources other than the arcade games, and fan fiction into the story guides. The problem is when they don't say "this is from a comic", because probably many readers will read the guide and think its official story and won't know on their own that it was from a comic. (Gamefaqs it self isn't really bad, I look up moves their sometimes although I stay away from gameplay guides.)
Thanks for the piece of advice. I've noticed that too, especially when referring to whether Geese is dead or not (FF series). I mean, he IS dead, right? 
Toxico
Thanks for your own, BIG, BAD, LONG version...Y VIVA CHILE MIERDA!!!!!
DKW
quote:
Finally, the truth is revealed...all the clones, hokey plots, big schemes, infighting, etc. etc...were all just a huge plot by the big cheeze, Igniz, to increase his power and eventually become strong enough to take over the world. Sheesh, like you couldn't see that coming. Actually, it's a bit of a relief that the whole Nests plot was really simple after all; one man using manipulating events to his advantage and advancing a phony cause to further his own selfish ends. Kinda par for the course for KOF when you think about it.
Yep. It seems that all this NEST arc can be summarized into a "Pinky and the Brain" episode. Not as funny, though (IMHO).
[this message was edited by makondo99 on Tue 17 Sep 21:03] |
| Fygee 342th Post
Bronze Customer
| "Re(2):My own LONG version:" , posted Wed 18 Sep 01:20
quote Finally, the truth is revealed...all the clones, hokey plots, big schemes, infighting, etc. etc...were all just a huge plot by the big cheeze, Igniz, to increase his power and eventually become strong enough to take over the world. Sheesh, like you couldn't see that coming. Actually, it's a bit of a relief that the whole Nests plot was really simple after all; one man using manipulating events to his advantage and advancing a phony cause to further his own selfish ends. Kinda par for the course for KOF when you think about it.
Thing is, we may never actually know what NESTS true goal was. Well, its easy to predict that it would've been taking over the world and such, but considering that the original person in charge, Master NESTS (i.e. the old dude Igniz melts in the story bit, and is also Igniz' father according to the official art mook) got sedated or something somehow and then wasted by Igniz (who as we all know, took over and decided to make himself a god instead), we'll never know what his ultimate plan was. It would've been nice if this was explained in the game instead of the info only being given in the mook, but alas, most of us were left in the dark. There's probably a lot more detail on the story in other official sources as well that we don't have access to.
|
| DKW
156th Post
Regular Customer
| "bit 'o advice" , posted Sat 21 Sep 00:51
Makondo99 - Do what I do. Look at all the information...all the backgrounds, all the cutscenes, all the tidbits and details and easter eggs...and endings, mustn't forget endings. Everything. Pay attention to patterns, particularly scenes or pieces of dialogue that appear for most or all of the temas. From there, determine 1) what must have happened and 2) what couldn't possibly have happened. Once you have all this down, nailing the individual details for the teams should be a lot simpler.
Keep an open mind when you're doing this, and always remember that video game companies often do things that sound like a good idea at a time without considering possible future ramifications (If you have MAME and AOF2, and haven't seen the Special Scene yet, I strongly suggest that you do. E-mail me if you need advice on how.). The...IMHO really stupid...recent trend of every game somehow having to be completely connected to the previous game only makes it harder to toss out problematic details they'd rather not keep dealing with. So just watch out for things that seem out of place (say, Southtown being completely destroyed, and please consider the fact that this happens in the Edit Team ending and no others).
Everything I've posted is consistent with what's happened in the games. I have no trouble believing that the big "purpose" of Nests was just a ploy invented by Igniz to keep his sheep from finding the truth...like I said, KOF has a reputation for this kind of deception.
For further insight (and fun, I sincerely hope), go ahead and read my fanfics, particularly the "Alternate Paths" for '99 and whatever I've completed for '00. Trust me, it's really not that complicated when you put it all together...as much as SNK would like to convince us otherwise. 
homepage - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/dkwff
|
| Gen 686th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(2):Nests Story: Beginner's Guide" , posted Sat 21 Sep 08:03
quote:
Gen
makondo99, the best way to find out what happens in 99-2001 is to play through the game with each team and view their dialogues and endings
I would do that, if I were able to. Unfortunately my skills at KOF 98-2001 suck big time. I was an average fighter back in KOF 94 and 95, but from 96 on something happened and I couldn't adapt myself to the changes... 96 meant the end of the "fireball" stage, 97 introduced this "stock" system and from 98(?) onwards things got worse for me with those crazy strikers or the "emoticons" system. I'm not saying that the game sucked, it was my fault that I couldn't adapt to its many changes...
I think I adapted ok until '98, then with '99 I didn't want to adapty to the lame striker system and rediculous combo gameplay. Also encountered large number of asshole players, mostly online. Also it didn't help not having a KoF machine around in a local place until usually a year after the games release, if ever.
You could also try buying the official game books, in order to see the story, but they are in Japanese.
quote:
but my interest in the KOF series was ever present so I tried to follow the storyline to see what was happening in the KOF land, but most info I gathered was contradictory or senseless...and judging from what I've read so far the story IS contradictory and senseless...
99-2001 sertainly has contradictory stuff, and the bad English of SNK doesn't help. Definately 99-2001 doesn't make sense. Also I'm sure that SNK doesn't plan out more than one year / one game of story at a time. So for example when they made '99, not even they knew what N.E.S.T.S. would turn out like.
quote:
Beware of story guides like some on gamefaqs.com because some of the writers intentionally or unintentionally inject misinterpretations, material from sources other than the arcade games, and fan fiction into the story guides. The problem is when they don't say "this is from a comic", because probably many readers will read the guide and think its official story and won't know on their own that it was from a comic. (Gamefaqs it self isn't really bad, I look up moves their sometimes although I stay away from gameplay guides.)
Thanks for the piece of advice. I've noticed that too, especially when referring to whether Geese is dead or not (FF series). I mean, he IS dead, right?
Well sense we see Geese fall off a building, and then appear again in other games alive... And sense we see a large rock fall on Krizalid and read "Krizalid's death confirmed", but Krizalid is back in 2001... I don't assume Geese is dead, until PlaymoreSNKNeogeoBrezza verifies that for us.
|
| makondo99
24th Post
New Customer
| "Re(5):Nests Story: Beginner's Guide" , posted Sat 21 Sep 15:40
DKW
quote:
(If you have MAME and AOF2, and haven't seen the Special Scene yet, I strongly suggest that you do. E-mail me if you need advice on how.).
Are you referring to the scene with Eiji talking about Mai? (I think TiamatRoar mentioned this before...)
I'm not an AOF fan so I don't know the details about this, or how it influenced the SNK-verse. Something wierd I remember, though, it's Gen-ha from SS series being attacked by Mai Shiranui (or was it Todoh?) in an ending of SS2 (or SS1??, boy, my memory is not what it used to be...). But I thought that was only a cameo, or a joke from SNK programmers...
quote:
(For further insight (and fun, I sincerely hope), go ahead and read my fanfics, particularly the "Alternate Paths" for '99 and whatever I've completed for '00. Trust me, it's really not that complicated when you put it all together...as much as SNK would like to convince us otherwise.
I will certainly have a look at your site and stories. I'm always ready for fun!
The bit about that I was more confused than before is a joke, though. As I said, now I have a clearer picture of the events that followed KOF 97 thanks to all the info posted by the wonderful people of this board.
Gen
quote:
You could also try buying the official game books, in order to see the story, but they are in Japanese.
The Bad News: I know very little (if any) of Japanese.
The Good News: That may change next year...if I'm lucky ;).
quote:
99-2001 sertainly has contradictory stuff, and the bad English of SNK doesn't help
You can add to this fact that I get to play the Spanish versions here... I think the pattern is "Japanese then SNK-Engrish then SNK-Portuwhatguese then SNK-Spanish", but I'm not sure... perhaps they also get Zwahili and Urdu versions and THEN Spanish ;)
quote:
Well sense we see Geese fall off a building, and then appear again in other games alive... And sense we see a large rock fall on Krizalid and read "Krizalid's death confirmed", but Krizalid is back in 2001... I don't assume Geese is dead, until PlaymoreSNKNeogeoBrezza verifies that for us.
Oh, well. It's just a game then, so I shouldn't be surprised at all to see characters who are supposed to be dead in good shape and ready to kick some arse.
|
| Puar 367th Post
Silver Customer
| "KOF Storyline (Replies to EVERYONE!) ;D" , posted Sat 21 Sep 19:40:
I leave the board for a few days and miss a heated KOF debate! Damnit... Well, time to reply to them all.
quote:
I gotta question.. what IS Kula's deal? I never did get that all straightened out.
Kula is a Test Tube Baby, genetically engineered, born and bred to be the Anti-K'.
quote:
I mean, are Ramon, Seth, and Vanessa working for the same people? what about Lin?
Seth and Vanessa are working for the same people, the Zero Clone. Ramon is recruited by Vanessa. Lin is recruited by Seth. I think this thread explains that more in detail somewhere along the line of madness.
quote:
There is contridicting stuff in the '99-2001 story. At first it seemd K' was a clone. Then in the '99 Ikari ending we see with Whip - apparently Krizalid is the clone and K' isn't. Then in the 2001 ending wit K', Kula and the rest, apparently they are all clones.
K' is NOT a clone of Kyo. K' is a an Altered Human, enfused with the Kusanagi DNA. Krizalid is a clone of K'. The only characters that are clones are, unless I forgot them, the Zero Clone, Whip, and the Kusanagi Clones.
quote:
zero finally reveals himself. he looks exactly like one of heidern's goons(ling), who then pulls a gun and holds heidern hostage so that the fight can take place.
Zero takes on the guise of Ling, he doesn't normally look that way. One would have to presume that, when not masquerading, Wario looks like the Original Zero.
quote:
now, zero is rebelling against nests, and apparently he's going to destroy their headquarters through this zero cannon.
The Zero Clone is working on his own, outside of NESTS with his own agenda. I think this is where some of the confusion takes place. There are different factions within NESTS. I will attempt to categorize them...
1) The Stray NESTS (K', Maxima, Whip): Those who were once a part of NESTS, but defected at some point in time to one day later hunt down the Cartel.
2) The Zero Clone's NESTS (Krizalid, Zero Clone, Vanessa, Seth): Working outside of the actual Cartel, Zero has his own agenda. He enacts Operation Krizalid and Project Zero. Following the Zero Clone's defeat, they oppose the Organization as well.
3) The Loyal NESTS (Kula, Foxy, Diana, Candy): Sent by the actual Cartel to abate the problem with the prior two factions listed. The latter three watch over and protect the Anti-K'. They are vaery loyal to the Cartel, hence my namesake for them.
4) The New NESTS (K9999, Angel): Don't know what else to call them... The new characters introduced in KOF2K1, they are responsible for Foxy's demise. For some reason beyond me at the moment, the Cartel gave precedence to them and ordered the elimination of the old stock. Maybe they foudn the Loyalists obsolete with the arrival of the New Blood.
5) The Big Wigs of NESTS (Igniz, NESTS): Head honchos and such, they call the shots. Rather, NESTS did until Igniz takes over and goes to his lovable death.
6) Long/Ron's NESTS (Long/Ron, Misty): Misty is the woman seen at NESTS and Igniz side during the cinemas, Long is the traitor Hizoku that Lin has been seeking. They are seen breaking off after the Cartel's apparent demise. Long has been investigating the Dragon Spirit's power for quite some time and now seeks it along with Misty.
quote:
As far as I know there's no special edit teams in 99-2001, there is just a generic ending for an edited team. I've read that 2001 has an edit team ending. When I played 2001 with the characters that are supposed to be selected for the special ending, I didn't notice any difference in the ending.
'99 has two Edit Teams, the Kyo Team and the Iori Team. 2000 also has two Edit Teams, the Kula Team and the Kyo and Iori Team. 2001 has one Edit Team, but their ending has little to do with the characters in the team. It consists of Kyo, Benimaru, Daimon, and Iori.
quote:
Aahhh! Geez, Darrell, not again! We've told you a zillion skillion jillion quillion times that '98 was a COMPLETELY NONEXISTENT TOURNAMENT THAT NEVER NEVER EVER HAPPENED! AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!" And
KOF'98 is not cannon, period. Wow... I have major issues with a lot of what DKW has to say. (;
quote:
First off, lemme make it clear that there is absolutely no way Unoriginal Zero (the one in '00) coudl've destroyed Southtown. Repeat, there is no way, no way, nohow that Unoriginal Zero could've even had the OPPORTUNITY to destroy Southtown. A minute of logical thought will easily prove this to you (admittedly, this can be a scarce commodity when it comes to fighting game discussion, but I'll let that pass)...
1. Zero pushing the button, with the cannon fully charged, and absolutely nothing happening, is not indicative of his failure to fire the cannon.
2. Kula D, after taking control of the cannon (which was the chief reason Zero couldn't fire it) to save the Nests HQ in Southtown, decides to let someone destroy her home anyway,
3. Somehow the cannon, after Kula uses it to wipe out Zero, still has enough juice left over to completely destroy Southtown.
Just a reminder, as Gen said, you'll have to take into account ALL endings and dialogues to put things together.
1) Kula tinkers with the Zero Cannon causing it to operate manually instead of by remote control, Zero is unable to fire the Zero Cannon through no fault of his own.
2) Kula took over the Zero Cannon not to save Southtown, but to take away control from the Zero Clone. The NESTS Base that was located in Southtown was not of the True Cartel, but of the Zero Clone's faction.
Heidern says it himself, "If my hypothesis is right, then Southtown was NESTS's...? But it's just a hypothesis. All I know for sure is: We got creamed big time. We lost a city... and our pride. I wonder what our foes have in store for us next."
3) Zero Clone's headquarters is located underneath the ground, the blast that destroys Southtown is also concurrently shown as the blast that the Zero Clone feels at his base. Because his roost is beneath Southtown, the blast is not felt as strongly, but luckily Foxy and Diana are there to finish him off.
4) Drawing on more SNK Universe Resources, Southtown WAS destroyed. Garou: Mark of the Wolves takes place in Second South(town). Now, why would there be the need for a Second South if there first still stood? In either event, if you still insist that Southtown is there, then, yes, it is... As a pile of rubble.
quote:
'01: Finally, the truth is revealed...all the clones, hokey plots, big schemes, infighting, etc. etc...were all just a huge plot by the big cheeze, Igniz, to increase his power and eventually become strong enough to take over the world. Sheesh, like you couldn't see that coming. Actually, it's a bit of a relief that the whole Nests plot was really simple after all; one man using manipulating events to his advantage and advancing a phony cause to further his own selfish ends. Kinda par for the course for KOF when you think about it.
The Zero Clone was acting on his own. Igniz is using NESTS for his own purpose.
quote:
Kula: Like K, a normal person turned into a Nests assassin. More receptive to Nests' psychological manipulation and is fiercely loyal until near the end. Originally programmed as the "Anti-K", proven usless in this regard; finally saw the truth and made up with him in the end. Like a normal 14-year-old in nearly all other aspects, right down to sometimes just needing a hug.
"An innocent from a petri dish, ignorant of existence's joys." Test Tube Baby... End Argument.
quote:
Whip: K's sister and former Nests initiate who saw the evil behind the organization and walked out. Because of her wisdom, she was not subject to any experimentation, manipulation, enhancement, etc.
Technically, not K's sister since she is a clone. (;
quote:
Unoriginal Zero: A clone, most likely that of "Ling", the Nests agent who infiltrates Heidern's watchdog group. He was the leader of one of the cartel's numerous breakaway factions. He stole the Zero Cannon in an attempt to destroy the Nests HQ. He also was the one who sent Kula after K, a diversion to keep them both busy and unaware of his true plans.
A clone, but of Zero, not of Ling. He masquerades as Ling. He did not send out Kula, the True Cartel did.
quote:
Zero: Igniz's second-in-command. His purpose in '01 was to test the winning team to see if they were worthy of learning the truth behind the cartel. It's uncertain as to whether he's alive or not at the end of '01.
Igniz: The otherworldy being behind it all. Reveals that everything was his doing and that he'll be a god among men.
Igniz is second-in-command of NESTS, Zero is beneath him. So, if you want to look at it askew, yes, Zero IS Igniz's second-in-command, but this is under the assumption that Igniz headed NESTS, when in fact NESTS, the man, headed NESTS, the Cartel.
quote:
The Krizalid in KOF2k1 IS Krizalid of KOF 99. His official Japanese bio states that he was rescued by Original Zero, then pledged allegiance to him. So it turns out that he did NOT die during KOF 99 (on a side note, "people that wear a certain mustache" was added to his dislikes :P)
Interesting information... (;
quote:
The...IMHO really stupid...recent trend of every game somehow having to be completely connected to the previous game only makes it harder to toss out problematic details they'd rather not keep dealing with.
Yeah, that's stupid... I mean, who wants a story? (Note: Extreme Sarcasm)
quote:
So just watch out for things that seem out of place (say, Southtown being completely destroyed, and please consider the fact that this happens in the Edit Team ending and no others).
Happens in all the endings, for further proof...
quote:
makondo99, the best way to find out what happens in 99-2001 is to play through the game with each team and view their dialogues and endings
I would do that, if I were able to. Unfortunately my skills at KOF 98-2001 suck big time.
I wish someone would make some dialogue faqs for KOF games. The story guides just interject too much fanfic into them to be trustworthy.
Go to my site, Galactica Phantom, for all dialogue, endings, and more. (;
http://dokkan.cjb.net
http://galactica-phantom.cjb.net
http://galactica-phantom.iscrappy.com
On a final note, you did a pretty good job Zyzyfer. Questions? Comments? Flames? ...Bring 'em on!
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem..."
[this message was edited by Puar on Sat 21 Sep 19:41] |
| Just a Person 323th Post
Bronze Customer
| "Re(2):KOF storyline" , posted Sat 21 Sep 20:12
quote:
I'd like to know about that too...
I mean, are Ramon, Seth, and Vanessa working for the same people? what about Lin? I sort of get the whole K' storyline, but only in the small window of him, Maxima, and Whip's roles... the rest of the story is like Greek translated into Spanish, then German, then Japanese then back to Greek through babblefish and writen backwords with every other vowel replaced by a cobra to me...
Well,here we go :
Vanessa and Seth worked for Zero (the clone) in KoF'2000 . Since they are a kind of secret agents,they decided to watch K' in sepparate teams . However,neither of them knew about Zero's true intentions,and after,both turned against him . Ramon was invited by Vanessa to join K's team (as we can see,since he's in love with her,he accepted) . Lin was invited by Seth to join Benimaru's team,as he was looking for his master Long .
In '2001,Vanessa and Seth want to investigate the NESTS(since they were used by Zero last year),so they convince Iori to join them (Ramon also joins them,since Vanessa is in it ...^_^) . Lin wants to get Long (the traitor of his clan),so he accepts K's offer to join his team . More info can be found at GameFAQs.com . I'm not sure if this info is true,but it's impressive anyway .
I can be any person in the world...Maybe I'm this person right in front of you...or not!
|
| Toxico 2263th Post
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master
|  "Re(3):KOF storyline"
, posted Sat 21 Sep 20:39
quote:
I'd like to know about that too...
I mean, are Ramon, Seth, and Vanessa working for the same people? what about Lin? I sort of get the whole K' storyline, but only in the small window of him, Maxima, and Whip's roles... the rest of the story is like Greek translated into Spanish, then German, then Japanese then back to Greek through babblefish and writen backwords with every other vowel replaced by a cobra to me...
Well,here we go :
Vanessa and Seth worked for Zero (the clone) in KoF'2000 . Since they are a kind of secret agents,they decided to watch K' in sepparate teams . However,neither of them knew about Zero's true intentions,and after,both turned against him . Ramon was invited by Vanessa to join K's team (as we can see,since he's in love with her,he accepted) . Lin was invited by Seth to join Benimaru's team,as he was looking for his master Long .
In '2001,Vanessa and Seth want to investigate the NESTS(since they were used by Zero last year),so they convince Iori to join them (Ramon also joins them,since Vanessa is in it ...^_^) . Lin wants to get Long (the traitor of his clan),so he accepts K's offer to join his team . More info can be found at GameFAQs.com . I'm not sure if this info is true,but it's impressive anyway .
In fact that is exactly what happened, now I wonder of the portuguese & spanish versions have better translation than the Engrish ones.
A useless fact that many people misses:
On '2000, when Zero-clone went to meet the winner team he left a clone of Ling to control Heidern and his mens (that's why on the staff/team edit ending it is shown Heidern bashing "Zero" with military uniform -and that's ilogical since Zero-clone was dressed in his coat when he fought-)
|
| DKW
159th Post
Regular Customer
| "Re(1):KOF Storyline (Replies to EVERYONE!) ;D" , posted Sat 21 Sep 23:54
Puar - Argh! Stop it! Stop it! You're giving my migraine a migraine!
[deep breath, deep breath...] All right, one at time.
quote:
Kula is a Test Tube Baby, genetically engineered, born and bred to be the Anti-K'.
Right. Not sure about the test tube part, but a naturally born human being, just unfortunate to have been born into Nests.
quote:
Seth and Vanessa are working for the same people, the Zero Clone. Ramon is recruited by Vanessa. Lin is recruited by Seth. I think this thread explains that more in detail somewhere along the line of madness.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whered'ya get this? S & V may be ruthless agents, but nothing I've seen puts them in Zero's (real or clone) camp. And Lin's loyalty is to his clan alone; I think it'd be beneath him to answer to a common grunt like Seth. Ramon, yeah, kinda got that. These aren't the major players, at any rate, so it's okay to make of them what you will.
quote:
K' is NOT a clone of Kyo. K' is a an Altered Human, enfused with the Kusanagi DNA. Krizalid is a clone of K'. The only characters that are clones are, unless I forgot them, the Zero Clone, Whip, and the Kusanagi Clones.
Correct, correct, correct. Whip being a clone (of whom?) is TOTALLY out of left field, but I'm willing to let that pass for the sake of my sanity. Next...
quote:
Zero takes on the guise of Ling, he doesn't normally look that way. One would have to presume that, when not masquerading, Wario looks like the Original Zero.
Don't know, don't care. Next...
quote:
The Zero Clone is working on his own, outside of NESTS with his own agenda. I think this is where some of the confusion takes place. There are different factions within NESTS.
I've been arguing this from the very beginning, Puar. About 90% of everything I've ever written about Nests Cartel mentions this fragmentation.
quote:
1) The Stray NESTS (K', Maxima, Whip): Those who were once a part of NESTS, but defected at some point in time to one day later hunt down the Cartel.
Or, as I put it, enemies of the cartel, which is a lot easier to remember.
quote:
2) The Zero Clone's NESTS (Krizalid, Zero Clone, Vanessa, Seth): Working outside of the actual Cartel, Zero has his own agenda. He enacts Operation Krizalid and Project Zero. Following the Zero Clone's defeat, they oppose the Organization as well.
From what I understand, Unoriginal Zero was a rogue well before the '99 cloning business. Agree on the rest.
quote:
3) The Loyal NESTS (Kula, Foxy, Diana, Candy): Sent by the actual Cartel to abate the problem with the prior two factions listed. The latter three watch over and protect the Anti-K'. They are vaery loyal to the Cartel, hence my namesake for them.
Yeah! (Man, it's amazing how much we agree on, isn't it?)
quote:
4) The New NESTS (K9999, Angel): Don't know what else to call them... The new characters introduced in KOF2K1, they are responsible for Foxy's demise. For some reason beyond me at the moment, the Cartel gave precedence to them and ordered the elimination of the old stock. Maybe they foudn the Loyalists obsolete with the arrival of the New Blood.
Igniz made a big show of hyping up their exalted status, but it was just an act. In the end, the only one he cared about was himself; the entire cartel was a tool to help him reach godhood. He says exactly this to just about every team in '02 (and has no reason to lie, of course).
quote:
5) The Big Wigs of NESTS (Igniz, NESTS): Head honchos and such, they call the shots. Rather, NESTS did until Igniz takes over and goes to his lovable death.
Wait a minute, you say that "Nests" is a PERSON?? That just set off my "as if-o-meter". Unless, of course, you actually believe that there are a whole bunch of invisible, unseen, omnipotent behind-the-scenes uber-honchos who are secretly controlling everything...which, frankly, is really lame even by Eolith's standards.
quote:
KOF'98 is not cannon, period. Wow... I have major issues with a lot of what DKW has to say. (;
Puar, please...do yourself a gigantic colossal favor and READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST. I argued that '98 Neo Blood or whatever it was established that there was a '98 tournament. Okay, it looked suspiciously like the '99 tournament, but that doesn't matter, the point is <<<THERE WAS A '98 TOURNAMENT!>>> Now, you can still argue that the events in Dream Match Never Ends are not indicative of how the '98 tourney went, but you cannot argue that nothing at all happened in '98.
So tell me, just how did the '98 tournament turn out? You can use the literal NeoBlood storyline or anything you want. Just stop feeding me the tired old party line when it's already been debunked.
quote:
1) Kula tinkers with the Zero Cannon causing it to operate manually instead of by remote control, Zero is unable to fire the Zero Cannon through no fault of his own.
Correct.
quote:
2) Kula took over the Zero Cannon not to save Southtown, but to take away control from the Zero Clone. The NESTS Base that was located in Southtown was not of the True Cartel, but of the Zero Clone's faction.
What? What? What? Now you're arguing that Zero intended to destroy his own base! (Remember, he's the one who points out the base in Southtown.) Leaving aside the issue of just how incredibly freaking outrageous this is...UZ may have been a little nuts, but he wasn't suicidal...if that's true, why did Kula try to prevent him from destroying Southtown? She was definitely no friend of UZ, so why not allow his final blaze of glory? Wait, don't tell me...Kula's honor prevented her lettting UZ take the easy way out, and she also wanted her cohorts to humiliate him before she did her duty by...aagh, forget it, I don't want to give myself heartburn as well.
quote:
Heidern says it himself, "If my hypothesis is right, then Southtown was NESTS's...? But it's just a hypothesis. All I know for sure is: We got creamed big time. We lost a city... and our pride. I wonder what our foes have in store for us next."
Please read back to the point I made about video game companies often throwing in things that sound cool at the time that they absolutely live to regret later. Besides, it's plainly obvious that this is just a ham-fisted way of making Heidern some sort of half-baked "main character", and we all know how THOSE efforts usually turn out (paging Shizumaru Hisame!).
Even if you take his word for it, note that in addition to saying the location was just a hypothesis, he also failed to identify the city that was destroyed. Could've been Grasshill Valley for all we know. In any case, I see no reason to take the Nests HQ being in Southtown as an unproven hypothesis while at the same time taking the destruction of said city as ironclad fact.
quote:
3) Zero Clone's headquarters is located underneath the ground, the blast that destroys Southtown is also concurrently shown as the blast that the Zero Clone feels at his base. Because his roost is beneath Southtown, the blast is not felt as strongly, but luckily Foxy and Diana are there to finish him off.
Ugh...where to begin. The blast Zero felt was that of the generator, which was in his base, malfunctioning. It wasn't a fatal blast, which is why Kula's buddies had to finish the job. And if the base really was deep enough underground to survive a city-destroying shot (and it'd have to be pretty deep), why was there no establishing shot? C'mon, we always see how the heroes get there, and we don't see so much as a descending elevator (which '99 had, BTW)?
quote:
4) Drawing on more SNK Universe Resources, Southtown WAS destroyed. Garou: Mark of the Wolves takes place in Second South(town). Now, why would there be the need for a Second South if there first still stood? In either event, if you still insist that Southtown is there, then, yes, it is... As a pile of rubble.
[/quote
Garo was completed before KOF '00, so you can forget about it being proof. (The lack of so much as a mention of the devastation, which would still be blazing brighly in at least Terry Bogard's mind, kinda points to this.)
And why do we need a Second South? Well, why do we need Minneapolis and St. Paul? Why do we need two Kansas Citys? Or Disney World when we already have a perfectly good Disneyland? Hell, why have Grasshill Valley for just that one game? Second South is a location, not an omen.
quote:
The Zero Clone was acting on his own. Igniz is using NESTS for his own purpose.
Um...didn't I already argue as much several times over?
quote:
"An innocent from a petri dish, ignorant of existence's joys." Test Tube Baby... End Argument.
I am amazed at your willingness to cling to a vague party line party line for all eternity and pretty much ignore the numerous changes these people undergo from game to game. Do you still believe that Duck King is still out to avenge that big loss to Terry Bogard?
quote:
A clone, but of Zero, not of Ling. He masquerades as Ling. He did not send out Kula, the True Cartel did.
Oh, whatever. I'm having a hard enough time just getting all the relationships and opposing factions straight to quibble about chain-of-command issues.
Not even touching the whole "Nests is actually a person/big shadow conspiracy" thing again...
quote:
Yeah, that's stupid... I mean, who wants a story? (Note: Extreme Sarcasm)
All right...I don't know what the hell you meant by this, but you missed the friggin lake here. All I suggested that each game have a new story and not be so intimiately tied to the last contest, so that any troublesome details in said contest can be safely excised instead of having to be carried ahead. Lord knows both Capcom and SNK have benefitted from this before...unless of course you thought SNK actually wanted to go somewhere with "Young Geese in AOF2".
quote:
Happens in all the endings, for further proof...
No, it does not. And yes, I've seen the endings. Please don't tell me that a bunch of dirt visible on the ground constitutes a ruined city. (If you ask me, what it really constitutes is Zero's base being in an unpaved area.)
You know what, forget it...I'm not going to argue KOF canon anymore. Make of my posts what you will, and understand that I don't just make things up.
Peace, out...
homepage - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/dkwff
|
| DKW
160th Post
Regular Customer
| "Before I forget..." , posted Sun 22 Sep 00:03
One more thing.
At least one of the '02 endings (Fatal Fury, IIRC) mentions a return to Southtown. Not a pile of rubble. Not a memory of a ruined city. Not "Second South". A living, breathing, vibrant Southtown.
And like just about everything else, you can interpret it a number of ways. You can claim that Blue Mary, who was planning the return, was driven hysterical with grief and is about to return to a dead city. You can claim that "Southtown" is actually a metaphor for some Southtown-like quality. You can say that Southtown's destruction was never confirmed; the "lost city" Heidern referred to was someplace else. You can simply argue that some damn translator screwed up. The simplest explanation is that Eolith saw absolutely no point in a dead Southtown (on this I think a lot of us can agree...) and either brought it back to life or wrote off Heiderns epiphany as another one of those wacky, screwy things-that-sound-good-at-the-time, never to be mentioned or used again.
Being as staunch an advocate of KISS and avoiding masssive headaches as I am, you can guess which stance I'm taking.
Okay, I really need a break now. Peace out (for real this time).
homepage - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/dkwff
|
| the REAL master
47th Post
Rare Customer
| "Re(1):Before I forget..." , posted Sun 22 Sep 09:03
quote:
One more thing.
At least one of the '02 endings (Fatal Fury, IIRC) mentions a return to Southtown. Not a pile of rubble. Not a memory of a ruined city. Not "Second South". A living, breathing, vibrant Southtown.
And like just about everything else, you can interpret it a number of ways. You can claim that Blue Mary, who was planning the return, was driven hysterical with grief and is about to return to a dead city. You can claim that "Southtown" is actually a metaphor for some Southtown-like quality. You can say that Southtown's destruction was never confirmed; the "lost city" Heidern referred to was someplace else. You can simply argue that some damn translator screwed up. The simplest explanation is that Eolith saw absolutely no point in a dead Southtown (on this I think a lot of us can agree...) and either brought it back to life or wrote off Heiderns epiphany as another one of those wacky, screwy things-that-sound-good-at-the-time, never to be mentioned or used again.
Being as staunch an advocate of KISS and avoiding masssive headaches as I am, you can guess which stance I'm taking.
Okay, I really need a break now. Peace out (for real this time).
well the city seems to be in rubble in the 2001 intro
|
| Gen 688th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(2):KOF Storyline (Replies to EVERYONE!) ;D" , posted Sun 22 Sep 11:16
quote:
5) The Big Wigs of NESTS (Igniz, NESTS): Head honchos and such, they call the shots. Rather, NESTS did until Igniz takes over and goes to his lovable death.
Wait a minute, you say that "Nests" is a PERSON?? That just set off my "as if-o-meter". Unless, of course, you actually believe that there are a whole bunch of invisible, unseen, omnipotent behind-the-scenes uber-honchos who are secretly controlling everything...which, frankly, is really lame even by Eolith's standards.
The guy in the chair with the beard in 2001 is named Nests according to the book Fighting Obsession.
|
| Puar 370th Post
Silver Customer
| "...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Sun 22 Sep 14:32:
I feel like I'm doing homework… I'm citing sources for everything now. (;
quote:
Kula is a Test Tube Baby, genetically engineered, born and bred to be the Anti-K'.
Right. Not sure about the test tube part, but a naturally born human being, just unfortunate to have been born into Nests.
So far as I am aware, ever since her conception, I have always known Kula's background to be that she was a biological weapon conceived, created, and crafted from science.
Further Proof:
"A remodified human, deprived of his past... An innocent from a petri dish, ignorant of existence's joys... A clone. A product of humanity science, yet lacking humanity."
Source: Hero Team's 2001 Ending, the first part refers to K', the second to Kula, the third to Whip. Their portraits correspond to each statement.
quote:
Seth and Vanessa are working for the same people, the Zero Clone. Ramon is recruited by Vanessa. Lin is recruited by Seth. I think this thread explains that more in detail somewhere along the line of madness.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whered'ya get this? S & V may be ruthless agents, but nothing I've seen puts them in Zero's (real or clone) camp. And Lin's loyalty is to his clan alone; I think it'd be beneath him to answer to a common grunt like Seth. Ramon, yeah, kinda got that. These aren't the major players, at any rate, so it's okay to make of them what you will.
Yes, Seth and Vanessa were commissioned by the Zero Clone.
Further Proof:
VANESSA: Commander...? Unbelievable! You're the...!
SETH: Commander...? It can't be! You all along...!
Source: Second Intermission of the Benimaru Team and Hero Team from 2000 when Vanessa or Seth learns that the Zero Clone is behind the madness.
quote:
Whip being a clone (of whom?) is TOTALLY out of left field, but I'm willing to let that pass for the sake of my sanity. Next...
Whip is a clone of whomever she is a clone of. (; The person she is a clone of plays no makor part in KOF, so, yes, we don’t really care at the time. Whip’s real name has been stated as Muchiko, so it is possible that she is a clone of someone named Muchiko, but that’s no enough grounds for basing that as truth.
quote:
2) The Zero Clone's NESTS (Krizalid, Zero Clone, Vanessa, Seth): Working outside of the actual Cartel, Zero has his own agenda. He enacts Operation Krizalid and Project Zero. Following the Zero Clone's defeat, they oppose the Organization as well.
From what I understand, Unoriginal Zero was a rogue well before the '99 cloning business. Agree on the rest.
Yes, he was rogue well before that. Guess I forgot to add that in, but you are correct.
quote:
5) The Big Wigs of NESTS (Igniz, NESTS): Head honchos and such, they call the shots. Rather, NESTS did until Igniz takes over and goes to his lovable death.
Wait a minute, you say that "Nests" is a PERSON?? That just set off my "as if-o-meter". Unless, of course, you actually believe that there are a whole bunch of invisible, unseen, omnipotent behind-the-scenes uber-honchos who are secretly controlling everything...which, frankly, is really lame even by Eolith's standards.
As Gen stated, according to the Fighting Obsession and Artworks for KOF 2001, the man in the intermissions sitting in the chair with the grizzly beard is indeed NESTS. Sure, I should probably spell it “Nests,” not in all CAPS, but I’ve gotten used to writing it that way. (;
He’s not invisible, he’s not behind the scenes, he’s just there and comatose for the most part in KOF 2001, comatose as in his role is surprisingly small. There are many who surmised he has a more major part to play, but was snubbed because of Eolith’s own sloth.
quote:
Puar, please...do yourself a gigantic colossal favor and READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST. I argued that '98 Neo Blood or whatever it was established that there was a '98 tournament. Okay, it looked suspiciously like the '99 tournament, but that doesn't matter, the point is <<<THERE WAS A '98 TOURNAMENT!>>> Now, you can still argue that the events in Dream Match Never Ends are not indicative of how the '98 tourney went, but you cannot argue that nothing at all happened in '98.
So tell me, just how did the '98 tournament turn out? You can use the literal NeoBlood storyline or anything you want. Just stop feeding me the tired old party line when it's already been debunked.
This is what I meant to say, the Dream Match Never Ends is not cannon to the KOF Storyline. Whether or not anything happened in ’98 is beyond me, but, if there was a KOF in 1998, then I would have to believe that whatever it was and whoever it was that held it, it had nothing to do with the mainstream KOF continuum.
As far as NeoBlood is concerned, I think taking that as cannon would be like taking the new GBA SFZ3 Upper into account as cannon with Yun competing alongside our old school all stars... It’s just ludicrous. (;
quote:
2) Kula took over the Zero Cannon not to save Southtown, but to take away control from the Zero Clone. The NESTS Base that was located in Southtown was not of the True Cartel, but of the Zero Clone's faction.
What? What? What? Now you're arguing that Zero intended to destroy his own base! (Remember, he's the one who points out the base in Southtown.) Leaving aside the issue of just how incredibly freaking outrageous this is...UZ may have been a little nuts, but he wasn't suicidal...if that's true, why did Kula try to prevent him from destroying Southtown? She was definitely no friend of UZ, so why not allow his final blaze of glory? Wait, don't tell me...Kula's honor prevented her lettting UZ take the easy way out, and she also wanted her cohorts to humiliate him before she did her duty by...aagh, forget it, I don't want to give myself heartburn as well.
The Zero Clone did not intend to destroy his own base. He was unaware that Kula had mucked up his colossal toy. Mucking with could include tampering with its position in addition to changing it to manual fire.
Kula did not try to prevent the Zero Clone from destroying anything. What she was doing was attempting to wrestle away control of the Zero Cannon from the Zero Clone over to the True NESTS Cartel.
quote:
Heidern says it himself, "If my hypothesis is right, then Southtown was NESTS's...? But it's just a hypothesis. All I know for sure is: We got creamed big time. We lost a city... and our pride. I wonder what our foes have in store for us next."
Please read back to the point I made about video game companies often throwing in things that sound cool at the time that they absolutely live to regret later. Besides, it's plainly obvious that this is just a ham-fisted way of making Heidern some sort of half-baked "main character", and we all know how THOSE efforts usually turn out (paging Shizumaru Hisame!).
Even if you take his word for it, note that in addition to saying the location was just a hypothesis, he also failed to identify the city that was destroyed. Could've been Grasshill Valley for all we know. In any case, I see no reason to take the Nests HQ being in Southtown as an unproven hypothesis while at the same time taking the destruction of said city as ironclad fact.
You misinterpret… Heidern’s hypothesis that Southtown was NESTS Headquarters was not hypothesizing that the Base destroyed was in Southtown, it is hypothesizing that the Base destroyed was the Head Base of the NESTS Cartel.
Further Proof:
“The Finals Team. Southtown Factory Area. Target: K', Southtown”
Source: It’s in the First Intermission, or Second if you fought against Kula, in KOF 2000. They are indeed in Southtown, there is no question about this. The question was, is this really the True NESTS Cartel’s hideaway and the answer to that was, no, it’s not. It was only the base of operations of the Zero Clone.
quote:
why was there no establishing shot? C'mon, we always see how the heroes get there, and we don't see so much as a descending elevator (which '99 had, BTW)?
Laziness, perhaps? KOF 2000 was Eolith’s doing, not exactly SNK, who did ’99 and would have presumably pulled out all the bells and whistles for us. The best the Koreans do for us is this.
Further Proof:
LING: Guide the Finals Team to the lift, will you? When you've done that, activate the generator.
Source: Also from the First Intermission in KOF 2000. Aside from this, they don’t provide us with much else... Lazy Koreans!
quote:
4) Drawing on more SNK Universe Resources, Southtown WAS destroyed. Garou: Mark of the Wolves takes place in Second South(town). Now, why would there be the need for a Second South if there first still stood? In either event, if you still insist that Southtown is there, then, yes, it is... As a pile of rubble.
Garou was completed before KOF '00, so you can forget about it being proof. (The lack of so much as a mention of the devastation, which would still be blazing brighly in at least Terry Bogard's mind, kinda points to this.)
I’ve been briefly talking this over with my friend Yasakani, amongst other people, and here is the best we can provide you. At the end of KOF 2000, Southtown IS destroyed. Pictures prove it, Heidern states it, at the end of KOF 2000, Southtown is destroyed. Whether or not it was rebuilt afterwards remains to be seen.
Now, what is known is that there is a Second Southtown in Garou: MOTW. The fact that Garou was completed before KOF 2000 does not make it less proof. If we forego this, then we would also have to disavow Street Fighter II because of the Street Fighter Alpha/Zero series, never mind that Street Fighter sort of has an even screwier storyline. In the event that we do forego SFII storylines, it is because a segment of SFZ explains it, takes precedent over it, or prove it as, I don’t want to say false because that’s a bad word to use, but because it is not wholly true or valid.
I am also amazed at the characters reaction or lack thereof to the devastated Southtown. I mean, SNK practically is Southtown. If anyone in KOF does not originate in KOF, most likely, they are a product of Southtown.
On a final note for this topic, I remember someone telling me that there were Fatal Fury/Garou endings, not MOTW, that had characters rebuilding Southtown or parts of it. I have no idea who valid this is, but it is something I was told. It's in my head, but I don't tout it as fact. Since I have no idea how knowledgeable this person is, though they are somewhat, I am unsure whether to take this worth a grain of salt. I’d comment more on this, but I’m no Garou Storyline Expert. My area of interest lies in KOF. (;
quote:
I am amazed at your willingness to cling to a vague party line party line for all eternity and pretty much ignore the numerous changes these people undergo from game to game. Do you still believe that Duck King is still out to avenge that big loss to Terry Bogard?
quote:
It’s not just a party line, it was how Kula was introduced to us. (;
Besides, Kula’s been around for all of two games that actually have stories to them, they do still have time to change her and screw up cannon even more, but haven’t been able to do so yet. As for Duck King, he’s been around a heck of a lot longer and I’m sure he’s gotten over it by now.
quote:
Yeah, that's stupid... I mean, who wants a story? (Note: Extreme Sarcasm)
All right...I don't know what the hell you meant by this, but you missed the friggin lake here. All I suggested that each game have a new story and not be so intimiately tied to the last contest, so that any troublesome details in said contest can be safely excised instead of having to be carried ahead. Lord knows both Capcom and SNK have benefitted from this before...unless of course you thought SNK actually wanted to go somewhere with "Young Geese in AOF2".
I have really dark humor, you’d probably have to know me to get that. People find what I say offensive, unless they know what my personality is, but moving along… So far as I know of, one of the reasons the Young Geese was in AOF2 is loosely tied to having Geese Howard be Andy Bogard’s biological father. Aside from that, why shouldn’t he be in AOF2? It doesn’t seem too out of place to me. He’s tied into their storyline as well… sort of.
quote:
At least one of the '02 endings (Fatal Fury, IIRC) mentions a return to Southtown. Not a pile of rubble. Not a memory of a ruined city. Not "Second South". A living, breathing, vibrant Southtown.
I’ll have to see this. (;
Again, in the end of KOF 2000, Southtown was *splatted*, whether or not they rebuilt it in the future remains to be seen, what we do know is that there is a Second South(town). Maybe Second South and this mentioned KOF 2002 Southtown will be one in the same.
One last, last thing about the whole Southtown Saga, DKW...
quote:
What? What? What? Now you're arguing that Zero intended to destroy his own base! (Remember, he's the one who points out the base in Southtown.)
See? You said it was Southtown yourself. There should be no question that it was or wasn't now, you agreed. ;D
Now, to part with this time, I want to ask makondo99… Has any of this helped you at all!? ;D
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem..."
[this message was edited by Puar on Sun 22 Sep 15:47] |
| aderack
2th Post
New Customer
| "Re(2):KOF Storyline (Replies to EVERYONE!) ;D" , posted Sun 22 Sep 14:49
For the most part, Puar got things right on the nose. Although DKW does have a point about Zero pointing the cannon at his own base. That is... a bit odd, isn't it? Is that where he intended to point it?
... Wait, though. He doesn't choose to fire the thing until he loses. He originally stole it in order to destroy NESTS' base, but then he also expected to win the tournament. When he loses, is when he decides to pull a Rugal and bring everyone down with him. This makes a bit more sense now.
I agree about the generator, though, being what knocked Zero down. That's what I always have assumed the blast to be (although I admit could be wrong). The base isn't deep underground from what I saw. It seems to just be positioned in a warehouse.
quote:
Puar, please...do yourself a gigantic colossal favor and READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST. I argued that '98 Neo Blood or whatever it was established that there was a '98 tournament. Okay, it looked suspiciously like the '99 tournament, but that doesn't matter, the point is <<<THERE WAS A '98 TOURNAMENT!>>> Now, you can still argue that the events in Dream Match Never Ends are not indicative of how the '98 tourney went, but you cannot argue that nothing at all happened in '98.
Neo Blood wasn't developed by SNK, Brezza, or anyone else having to do with the series. It's a licensed game, pure and simple. If you want to take its contents as cannon, there's no one who's going to stop you. But it's worth pointing this out, nonetheless. These are someone else's ideas, and so far as I'm concerned Neo Blood is a hackeneyed fanfic put into motion. Then this is just how I look at it, but there's something else...
Check it out. In the intro to '99, it's listed as "Chapter 5". In the intro to 2000? "Chapter 6". And so on. Count backwards. Tell me how it adds up. There's a year missing there somewhere. Yake your pick which one you don't want to consider part of the timeline.
It's not like this is just an arbitrary decision by the fans. It's SNK's own decision, from the planning stages of '98. Wow. I'm not intending to sound abrasive here, but... just, wow. A game can be a chapter of the series without being a chapter of the story. It's not that hard to separate the two.
I'm wondering whether you consider 2002 as a chapter of the story as well. I'm not attempting to be sarcastic here. I'm just curious.
I'm also curious why any facts from the games which don't match your own become a "vague party line". I guess it's none of my business, and I'm certainly not trying to start an argument, but you're the one who talks about playing the games and looking at all of the information at hand. When have the games ever said anything specific about Kula's origin before the petri dish comment? Where does your version come from, anyway? I've not heard it anywhere else. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, though.
--
Aderack. Usually.
|
| Puar 369th Post
Silver Customer
| "Re(3):KOF Storyline (Replies to EVERYONE!) ;D" , posted Sun 22 Sep 15:46
quote:
... Wait, though. He doesn't choose to fire the thing until he loses. He originally stole it in order to destroy NESTS' base, but then he also expected to win the tournament. When he loses, is when he decides to pull a Rugal and bring everyone down with him. This makes a bit more sense now.
I agree about the generator, though, being what knocked Zero down. That's what I always have assumed the blast to be (although I admit could be wrong). The base isn't deep underground from what I saw. It seems to just be positioned in a warehouse.
For some reason, I mixed up the blast thing with the generator. I was thinking of something else at the time, I apologize. So far as I understand, the base is underground. Maybe deep, deep underground is too much of an exaggertion?
quote:
Check it out. In the intro to '99, it's listed as "Chapter 5". In the intro to 2000? "Chapter 6". And so on. Count backwards. Tell me how it adds up. There's a year missing there somewhere. Yake your pick which one you don't want to consider part of the timeline.
Never caught that... Good point.
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem..."
|
| Zyzyfer 610th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(1):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Tue 24 Sep 06:51
quote:
Laziness, perhaps? KOF 2000 was Eolith’s doing, not exactly SNK, who did ’99 and would have presumably pulled out all the bells and whistles for us. The best the Koreans do for us is this.
Further Proof:
LING: Guide the Finals Team to the lift, will you? When you've done that, activate the generator.
Source: Also from the First Intermission in KOF 2000. Aside from this, they don’t provide us with much else... Lazy Koreans!
eolith didn't touch 2K. that was snk losing focus due to business, i'd assume.
2k1 and 2k2 are eolith products. 2k1 sucked because they acquired a game and didn't know shit about making one. 2k2 wasn't as impressive as people hoped because, wow, it's a company that stated they were still learning how to make a fighting game!
blaming it on the "lazy koreans" only narrows your mind. last i checked, eolith wasn't called "Lazy Koreans", it was called "Eolith".
I don't mind the sun sometimes the image as it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes...
|
| Puar 376th Post
Silver Customer
| "Re(6):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 08:26:
quote:
Speaking if ruining games, the locals are worse than the international players. You still remember when we played several people in a row used that transvestite desync hack? Not to mention 70% of the players on bnet are using that map hack. Lets also not forget the colorful language that they display when you break their little cheap patterns.
My record on Battle.Net for WarCraft III is 1-6... Guess how those 6 losses came about. Damn DC Hackers.
As for ruining games, I just came from a game of Vampire Hunters where the stupid shit Korean Hunter on my team killed our Wards, Units, and Turrets while giving the other team Items from our Shop, feeding them EXP, and giving them Gold. We could've lost if we didn't get the Vampires before the stupid Korean got to us...
Damn them, at least the International Game Player US Server Flooding Kind. For the record, my last girlfriend was Korean and the last date I went out on was with a Chinese-Korean, so no ill will towards Koreans in general, just to... Them! Especially the 12-year-olds with no gras of English whatsoever.
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem..."
[this message was edited by Puar on Wed 25 Sep 08:27] |
| Zyzyfer 616th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(3):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 08:56
quote:
2k2 wasn't as impressive as people hoped because, wow, it's a company that stated they were still learning how to make a fighting game!
"WAS" ?!!!????
holly shit, last time I checked, KOF 2002 was not even released, and now, they talked about it as an old game...
Damn, time travel really sucks.
it's meant in reference to the betA. try not to get too uppity about the english, okaY?
I don't mind the sun sometimes the image as it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes...
|
| Puar 379th Post
Silver Customer
| "Re(8):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 09:35
quote:
if ya don't got ill will towards koreans, then just say "stupid korean gamer"...jeez, i pointed it out for ya in my recent post!
*curses the muslims for the 9/11 terrorist attack*
.........
anyways, as for the 12-year olds....ummmm...they speak korean. they despise english at the age of 12. and warcraft is actually in both korean and english over here, so they don't have to know english to play. not saying change your viewpoint about those sucky 12-year olds(i teach the fuckers all day long, mind ya), just givin' out their excuse for 'em.
From now on, Damn Stupid Korean Gamers comes from my mouth, though it's more to type...
Though WarCraft is in Korean and English, if they're playing on US Servers, an English Language Server, I say freaking speak English. I want an English Speaking Test for Battle.Net. ;D
As for the 9/11 attack, Three Damn Stupid Korean Gamers caught me complaining when it ended up being a 3v1 against me because my team had either dropped because they couldn't figure out to play and didn't understand when I told them to or they quit because it was their bed time in Korea.
Anyhow, the three of them said they were going to bring a 9/11 on me. I got offended by that somehow and my Yankee ass stayed in the game and schooled them 3v1. (;
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem..."
|
| Gen 712th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(9):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 12:05
quote:
if ya don't got ill will towards koreans, then just say "stupid korean gamer"...jeez, i pointed it out for ya in my recent post!
*curses the muslims for the 9/11 terrorist attack*
.........
anyways, as for the 12-year olds....ummmm...they speak korean. they despise english at the age of 12. and warcraft is actually in both korean and english over here, so they don't have to know english to play. not saying change your viewpoint about those sucky 12-year olds(i teach the fuckers all day long, mind ya), just givin' out their excuse for 'em.
From now on, Damn Stupid Korean Gamers comes from my mouth, though it's more to type...
Though WarCraft is in Korean and English, if they're playing on US Servers, an English Language Server, I say freaking speak English. I want an English Speaking Test for Battle.Net. ;D
As for the 9/11 attack, Three Damn Stupid Korean Gamers caught me complaining when it ended up being a 3v1 against me because my team had either dropped because they couldn't figure out to play and didn't understand when I told them to or they quit because it was their bed time in Korea.
Anyhow, the three of them said they were going to bring a 9/11 on me. I got offended by that somehow and my Yankee ass stayed in the game and schooled them 3v1. (;
Good job.
|
| Zyzyfer 620th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(9):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 21:31
quote:
From now on, Damn Stupid Korean Gamers comes from my mouth, though it's more to type...
yay!
quote:
Though WarCraft is in Korean and English, if they're playing on US Servers, an English Language Server, I say freaking speak English. I want an English Speaking Test for Battle.Net. ;D
oh, they're hacking! wonder why they'd use a us server? maybe to piss of americans~
quote:
As for the 9/11 attack, Three Damn Stupid Korean Gamers caught me complaining when it ended up being a 3v1 against me because my team had either dropped because they couldn't figure out to play and didn't understand when I told them to or they quit because it was their bed time in Korea.
Anyhow, the three of them said they were going to bring a 9/11 on me. I got offended by that somehow and my Yankee ass stayed in the game and schooled them 3v1. (;
yea, 9/11 is a big cool joke over here. and the country was in a hullabaloo over that stupid ohno shit. but don't worry, little by little, i grab the little spoiled brats by the hair and clarify that "fucking usa!" isn't as funny of a song when i sing their world cup cheer to the words of "oh fucking korea~". and tell them how cool a plane crashing into the kli63 building(bigass building in seoul) would be.
stupid kids.
I don't mind the sun sometimes the image as it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other peoples' eyes...
|
| Gen 724th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(10):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" , posted Wed 25 Sep 23:08
quote:
From now on, Damn Stupid Korean Gamers comes from my mouth, though it's more to type...
yay!
Though WarCraft is in Korean and English, if they're playing on US Servers, an English Language Server, I say freaking speak English. I want an English Speaking Test for Battle.Net. ;D
oh, they're hacking! wonder why they'd use a us server? maybe to piss of americans~
As for the 9/11 attack, Three Damn Stupid Korean Gamers caught me complaining when it ended up being a 3v1 against me because my team had either dropped because they couldn't figure out to play and didn't understand when I told them to or they quit because it was their bed time in Korea.
Anyhow, the three of them said they were going to bring a 9/11 on me. I got offended by that somehow and my Yankee ass stayed in the game and schooled them 3v1. (;
yea, 9/11 is a big cool joke over here. and the country was in a hullabaloo over that stupid ohno shit. but don't worry, little by little, i grab the little spoiled brats by the hair and clarify that "fucking usa!" isn't as funny of a song when i sing their world cup cheer to the words of "oh fucking korea~". and tell them how cool a plane crashing into the kli63 building(bigass building in seoul) would be.
stupid kids.
haha
|
|
|
About Whip, I know that it says later she is a clone, but in 99' in her ending she said she was K' brother. So if she is a clone, then maybe she is a clone of K's' sister? I don't know. 
"Re(4):...Makondo, Has This Helped?" 
"Re(9):...Makondo, Has This Helped?"