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| iggy 612th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):In Shenmue chapter 3..."
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I'm not trying to say shenmue is a crap game.
If you don't, I will do it : Shenmue (1) is the most boring thing I've ever played, it caused many financial difficulties to Sega, and Space Channel 5, which was done with 1% of the price of Shenmue, was rushed to be completed for christmas, and turned out more rentable and 100 times more fun than that boring piece of crap. I wonder if anyone played that stupid game (especially the CD3, when you work in the harbour) before they released it.Even Square doesn't forget (until now) to insert a few game time in their CG.
Damn, I hate this game, I hate Yu Suzuki and when I have lots of monney in Segagaga, I love to let him die.
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| Burning Kyo 869th Post
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|  "Re(3):In Shenmue chapter 3..."
, posted Sun 15 Sep 02:27
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If you don't, I will do it : Shenmue (1) is the most boring thing I've ever played, it caused many financial difficulties to Sega, and Space Channel 5, which was done with 1% of the price of Shenmue, was rushed to be completed for christmas, and turned out more rentable and 100 times more fun than that boring piece of crap. I wonder if anyone played that stupid game (especially the CD3, when you work in the harbour) before they released it.Even Square doesn't forget (until now) to insert a few game time in their CG.
Damn, I hate this game, I hate Yu Suzuki and when I have lots of monney in Segagaga, I love to let him die.
If you say that, it's you've understood anything at this game ...
"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"
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| Radish 286th Post
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| "Re(3):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Sun 15 Sep 06:27
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I'm not trying to say shenmue is a crap game.
If you don't, I will do it : Shenmue (1) is the most boring thing I've ever played, it caused many financial difficulties to Sega, and Space Channel 5, which was done with 1% of the price of Shenmue, was rushed to be completed for christmas, and turned out more rentable and 100 times more fun than that boring piece of crap. I wonder if anyone played that stupid game (especially the CD3, when you work in the harbour) before they released it.Even Square doesn't forget (until now) to insert a few game time in their CG.
Damn, I hate this game, I hate Yu Suzuki and when I have lots of monney in Segagaga, I love to let him die.
I agree. Basically Shenmue is a 3D version of Quest for Glory. However Quest for Glory was at least smart enough to give you a complete plot per episode and not end on an annoying "buy the next 5 games if you want the conclusion" note.
Plus QfG increased its playtime by having events happen at different times and orders allowing for the player to experience the plot in a less linear way as you slowly did stuff throughout the game’s world. Whereas in Shenmue it was all basically "Go to point A -> Go to Point B (but make sure you're there at 6:30 p.m. so you have to waste 10 minutes of your time doing nothing) go to point C -> try to find point D, but the directions there are substandard and make little sense as well as the fact that point D is hidden in a hard to find back alley and must be visited in a small time window so you’ll waste possibly 2 weeks here -> waste who knows how much time doing that stupid fork lifting mini-"game" -> wait for stuff you have no control over to happen -> go to point E." Qfg was also funny, clever and had characters you cared about, which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for the deadpan losers population in the Shemuniverse. Pretty much everybody in that game sounded (and was complimented by his or her facial expression; can’t blame it all on the dub) like they were merely waiting for the sweet embrace of death.
I mean, sure you could stalk people all day or buy lots of Sega toys, but that gets old faster than I thought it would. I don't know how well Chapter 2 is going to do on XBox considering Jet Grind Radio Future (JGR despite its flaws was much more fun and creative than Shenmue could ever hope to be) sold rather abysmally but I don’t see Sega recouping their loses on this one.
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| GekigangerV
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| "Re(3):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Sun 15 Sep 07:51
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Damn, I hate this game, I hate Yu Suzuki and when I have lots of monney in Segagaga, I love to let him die.
I won't argue with you about your opinion of Shenmue, but how could you hate the man behind Space Harrier, After Burner, Hang On, the virtua fighter series, out run, and f355 challenge. Yu Suzuki is surely a gaming god.
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| Burning Kyo 871th Post
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| "Re(5):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Sun 15 Sep 07:55:
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If you say that, it's you've understood anything at this game ...
.....gnuh?
Shenmue is the story of Ryo Hazuki's life ... sometimes life is entertaining (e.g. : going play a game at arcade), sometimes life is boring (e.g. : working to earn some money).
Besides, it's a multi-episodes game.Its structure is like movie ; 'n as in all the movies, the beginning is always a little bit boring.
It's sure, that if you're playing to game for the fantasy, don't play to Shenmue.
For me, it's one of the best DC game created.
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"The first game is linear as hell" by Genjuro
So you think that MGS 1or2 isn't linear as death ?
It's the one of the less linear game ever created, because there's multiple junctions in the game 'n so many possibilities. There's many hidden scenes, I've should finish Shenmue1 5 times to obtain the perfect scenario with all these hidden scenes, all the Ryo's fighting moves at MAX, have all the toys for having beat the games High-Scores 'n have a 1 complete collection of chibi-VF toys in a minimum of time.
"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"
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| Radish 287th Post
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| "Re(6):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Sun 15 Sep 08:53
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If you say that, it's you've understood anything at this game ...
.....gnuh?
Shenmue is the story of Ryo Hazuki's life ... sometimes life is entertaining (e.g. : going play a game at arcade), sometimes life is boring (e.g. : working to earn some money).
Besides, it's a multi-episodes game.Its structure is like movie ; 'n as in all the movies, the beginning is always a little bit boring.
It's sure, that if you're playing to game for the fantasy, don't play to Shenmue.
For me, it's one of the best DC game created.
The problem is most people buy entertainment (books, movies, videogames) for fantasy. Imagine reading a book, but in the middle of every chapter you had to read about the main character shuffling papers, paying bills, moving the lawn and in exhaustive detail. If I want to work, I'll work. I don't need a videogame to simulate that for me. What I need a videogame to do is be fun, something that Shenmue misses by a mile. And it isn't like it even meshes that well in the game. It's quite clear that Ryu's job, the waiting for events at specific day times, and stupid fetch quests are obviously there to make the game longer like the 3 pages of fluff in a puffed up high-school English paper.
Games like Monkey Island and King's Quest are admittedly 95% fetch quests, but at least they make them funny or entertaining while Shenmue makes everything a chore. It's almost like Suzuki wanted it this way since the most entertaining part (the fighting against thugs) is wholly under-represented compared to running around looking for that sailor and then moving boxes around for hours.
Shenmue isn't a "game," it's a "work." I will concede that Shenmue is probably the best "work" out there right now, but if Suzuki doesn't make it more fun (which is what really makes or breaks a game) I can't see this series surviving past a third installment. If this was the same game made by a smaller, less notable developer, I doubt it would have seen a second.
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| iggy 617th Post
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| "Re(6):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Sun 15 Sep 11:56
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Shenmue is the story of Ryo Hazuki's life ... sometimes life is entertaining (e.g. : going play a game at arcade), sometimes life is boring (e.g. : working to earn some money).
But... there is something, in storytelling, that is called in french "ellipse". It's when the character do something so boring it's not shown (I.E. "going from one point to one other in a car during 2 hours without any event", "sleeping during 8 hours", "going to the toilets", etc). It is IMPORTANT in storytelling. So, if they wanted to tell a story, they should have cut the boring scenes (like at least the harbour scene, but half of the game for me). If they wanted to make a game of life, they shouldn't have cut all the scenes of life (going to the toilets, change clothes EVERYDAY, jacking everytime he speaks to that stupid girl who sells flowers, taking a bath everyday, etc).
And the most important thing in life is that you don't know what's going to happen. but for a game of life, it is not open ended. you can't hang out with the girl whatever you do, or with anybody in the game. You can't use your martial art powers to become a delinquant and create your own gang, or at least to make a few bad things. EVEN LINK CAN STEAL THINGS IN (I don't remember wich) ZELDA !!!!!!
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There's many hidden scenes, I've should finish Shenmue1 5 times to obtain the perfect scenario with all these hidden scenes, all the Ryo's fighting moves at MAX, have all the toys for having beat the games High-Scores 'n have a 1 complete collection of chibi-VF toys in a minimum of time.
But the hidden scenes I had where boring as hell. "oh, great, a cat! now, you have to go and feed him everyday if you want to have another secret scene!". I wonder why I didn't want to go any further in the subquests.
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| Genjuro
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| "Re(6):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Sun 15 Sep 14:32
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"The first game is linear as hell" by Genjuro
So you think that MGS 1or2 isn't linear as death ?
It's the one of the less linear game ever created, because there's multiple junctions in the game 'n so many possibilities. There's many hidden scenes, I've should finish Shenmue1 5 times to obtain the perfect scenario with all these hidden scenes, all the Ryo's fighting moves at MAX, have all the toys for having beat the games High-Scores 'n have a 1 complete collection of chibi-VF toys in a minimum of time.
The structure of the game is such in MGS that it is meant to be 'linear',it's the type of the game that makes it that way..That's like accusing Resident Evil for instance,to be 'linear'.
You really can't compare it to Shenmue,it's 2 different genres..When I say 'linear' I don't mean how many different endings or secret scenes it has,I mean that you can see all this beautifully created 3D world that is actually completely useless..In Shenmue's world I'd like more interactivity and not the game ordering you 'go from here to here' or 'work for 9 hours'..I feel that they could have made the game much more fun..I've finished both of them on DC and what I really remember of them is how boring they were..They realized that with the first game and made the second more 'enjoyable'(=added more ATE and battle sequences to it)..Still though what plagued the second Shenmue was it's horrible loading times..
Having said all that,the game is still remarkable but IMO it could have been A LOT better in terms of 'gameplay'(a word that actually doesn't apply to Shenmue).I have to say that I agree with Radish on this one..
And please don't ever again mention Shenmue in the same sentence with MGS..
MGS is something more than a videogame,it's an experience..
 "What a waste... ...of time..."
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| Grynn
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| "Re(8):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Mon 16 Sep 06:08
Damn, I wasn't there during these last days and I let slip this thread...
Ok, first of all, on MGS...
I played the first one while it's not really a genre that I like and I enjoyed it (finished it once in 10 hours and that's it)
So it is a good game, sice it even attracted people not really interested in this genre of games. But I would never call it an experience... Just a fun game. IMO, this game is hugely overrated.
As for MGS2, I started playing it and didn't have the courage to finish it because I got bored. That doesn't mean it's a bad game, it's just that I am not into the genre.
As for Shenmue... I love this game so I believe I won't be able to be completely objective on this game so I ask forgiveness.
Anyway, I wouldn't compare this game to anything else because it is a different genre completely. Sure people will say it's an RPG, others an adventure game than compare it to Quest for Glory or Monkey Island and say it's bad. But that's normal, Shenmue is not a game of the same genre as these 2 games so it's obviously bad if you only view this game from this perspective.
Shenmue is more than that even if it shares similiraties with RPGs and adventure games.
Shenmue 1 might seem boring to some, but that is to be expected, after all it's a prelude, and preludes are used to put in place the story so they are almost never exciting.
I enjoyed Shenmue a lot, you had a story that some liked and others didn't. Personally I enjoyed it a lot because it is a classical martial arts story, and I like those. Yes following the story was linear, but it was your job to find the hidden things in the game. You can finish Shenmue 1 very fast and miss a lot of stuff, but that is your fault. And if you want nice story you need some linearity. When you want a break from the story, you can do other stuff like play arcade games, slot machines, train , etc...
For those who were saying that you cannot do whatever you want, that is because you're playing a guy with a background story, you're not playing a shallow character with no personnality or motivation, Ryo would never become a gang leader because it is against his principles.
And for me Shenmue 1 was an experience, because I discovered a lot of stuff on japanese culture (I played the japanese version first). You get to see how people behave, as the children calling you onichan,etc... And I also learned words that I used when I went to Japan for the first time. So it was useful for me.
As for Shenmue 2, this game is more 'exciting' because the actual stroy really takes off. A lot of events occur, and you learn a lot of things about this story. I would recommend this game to even those who found Shenmue 1 'boring'. Then if you play it and end up not liking it, well forget about the series then. But if you end up enjoying it even when you didn't like the prequel (like a lot of guys I know), well it will be great. Bottom words, if you didn't enjoy Shenmue 1 don't diss the series before trying Shenmue 2.
I also recommend playing with the japanese voices because it so much better than the american dubbing, but that's just me.
Anyway, seems I wrote a lot on the game ^_^
I'll end this by saying that I am really waiting for Shenmue 3!
Yare Yare ^_^'
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| Burning Kyo 876th Post
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| "Re(7):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Mon 16 Sep 08:27
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But... there is something, in storytelling, that is called in french "ellipse". It's when the character do something so boring it's not shown (I.E. "going from one point to one other in a car during 2 hours without any event", "sleeping during 8 hours", "going to the toilets", etc). It is IMPORTANT in storytelling. So, if they wanted to tell a story, they should have cut the boring scenes (like at least the harbour scene, but half of the game for me). If they wanted to make a game of life, they shouldn't have cut all the scenes of life (going to the toilets, change clothes EVERYDAY, jacking everytime he speaks to that stupid girl who sells flowers, taking a bath everyday, etc).
And the most important thing in life is that you don't know what's going to happen. but for a game of life, it is not open ended. you can't hang out with the girl whatever you do, or with anybody in the game. You can't use your martial art powers to become a delinquant and create your own gang, or at least to make a few bad things. EVEN LINK CAN STEAL THINGS IN (I don't remember wich) ZELDA !!!!!!
But the hidden scenes I had where boring as hell. "oh, great, a cat! now, you have to go and feed him everyday if you want to have another secret scene!". I wonder why I didn't want to go any further in the subquests.
Si il supprime ts les actions ennuyeuses, tu te retrouve avec un film, et non plus un jeu (comme FFX avec 2000 h de cinematique et 30 h de jeu).
No, y a po que celle du chat !
Y a quand les amis de Ryo s'incruste chez lui ou alors les plusieurs scènes avec Nozomi.
"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"
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| Burning Kyo 877th Post
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| "Re(7):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Mon 16 Sep 08:31
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"The first game is linear as hell" by Genjuro
So you think that MGS 1or2 isn't linear as death ?
It's the one of the less linear game ever created, because there's multiple junctions in the game 'n so many possibilities. There's many hidden scenes, I've should finish Shenmue1 5 times to obtain the perfect scenario with all these hidden scenes, all the Ryo's fighting moves at MAX, have all the toys for having beat the games High-Scores 'n have a 1 complete collection of chibi-VF toys in a minimum of time.
The structure of the game is such in MGS that it is meant to be 'linear',it's the type of the game that makes it that way..That's like accusing Resident Evil for instance,to be 'linear'.
You really can't compare it to Shenmue,it's 2 different genres..When I say 'linear' I don't mean how many different endings or secret scenes it has,I mean that you can see all this beautifully created 3D world that is actually completely useless..In Shenmue's world I'd like more interactivity and not the game ordering you 'go from here to here' or 'work for 9 hours'..I feel that they could have made the game much more fun..I've finished both of them on DC and what I really remember of them is how boring they were..They realized that with the first game and made the second more 'enjoyable'(=added more ATE and battle sequences to it)..Still though what plagued the second Shenmue was it's horrible loading times..
Having said all that,the game is still remarkable but IMO it could have been A LOT better in terms of 'gameplay'(a word that actually doesn't apply to Shenmue).I have to say that I agree with Radish on this one..
And please don't ever again mention Shenmue in the same sentence with MGS..
MGS is something more than a videogame,it's an experience..
You wanna say "Interactivity" ? ^_^'
It had not the same sense that " no linear".
'n With how many people you can talk in MGS ? ^_^
"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"
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| Burning Kyo 880th Post
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| "Re(9):In Shenmue chapter 3..." , posted Mon 16 Sep 09:26:
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Si il supprime ts les actions ennuyeuses, tu te retrouve avec un film, et non plus un jeu (comme FFX avec 2000 h de cinematique et 30 h de jeu).
Ca veut dire qu'il n'y a bien que des actions ennuyeuses à faire entre les cinematiques, donc?
Non, ça dépend si tu trouves ts ennuyeux ...
je ve dire qu'il y aurait plus qu'un jeu composé à 30 % de cinématique et 60 % de jeu, ce qui est énorme pour un jeu avec une durée de vie moyenne de ~30 heures.
Moi j'adore ce jeu ! (^_^)
Mais bon, chacun ses goûts ... toi, t'aime bien cette daube qu'est CvS2 ou encore les jeux de danse ! 
Et y a même des personnes qui trouve que le KOF 2k1 est le meilleur KOF 
De plus, vous l'avez comparé à des jeux comme MGS, FF, Dragon's Lair ou Monkey Island ; alors qu'il n'y a aucun rapport !
"Teme no hono wa nani iro da ?"
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"In Shenmue chapter 3..." 
I'm sure my little Jojo doesn't mean that!
