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tweleve
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"Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Wed 4 Sep 14:20

The Saturn usually gives accurate renditions of CPS-2 games. Bearing that in mind, what's Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo like on Street Fighter collection on Saturn? Is it authentic?

I'd like a good conversion of this game. The DC has one that's Japan-only but characters would be shrunk on DC, I think. So I'll avoid that if the Saturn one is better. Oh yeah, has anyone tried the 3DO version?

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Dr Baghead

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"Re(1):Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Wed 4 Sep 14:45

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The Saturn usually gives accurate renditions of CPS-2 games. Bearing that in mind, what's Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo like on Street Fighter collection on Saturn? Is it authentic?

I'd like a good conversion of this game. The DC has one that's Japan-only but characters would be shrunk on DC, I think. So I'll avoid that if the Saturn one is better. Oh yeah, has anyone tried the 3DO version?

I personally like the GBA verion...

talbaineric

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"Re(2):Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Wed 4 Sep 14:59

quote:
The Saturn usually gives accurate renditions of CPS-2 games. Bearing that in mind, what's Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo like on Street Fighter collection on Saturn? Is it authentic?

I'd like a good conversion of this game. The DC has one that's Japan-only but characters would be shrunk on DC, I think. So I'll avoid that if the Saturn one is better. Oh yeah, has anyone tried the 3DO version?

I personally like the GBA verion...

So do I. Wasn't it cool that they added new stages to some of the characters? I'm glad I own this little gem.

Freeter

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"Re(1):Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Wed 4 Sep 15:09

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The Saturn usually gives accurate renditions of CPS-2 games. Bearing that in mind, what's Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo like on Street Fighter collection on Saturn? Is it authentic?

I'd like a good conversion of this game. The DC has one that's Japan-only but characters would be shrunk on DC, I think. So I'll avoid that if the Saturn one is better. Oh yeah, has anyone tried the 3DO version?

3D0 version is practically arcade perfect, with some load times(not that bad though), only thing is you need a stick for it. PC version is pretty much arcade perfect also.

MVS version in 2003. Are you ready?

Burning Kyo

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"Re(2):Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Wed 4 Sep 15:43

quote:
The Saturn usually gives accurate renditions of CPS-2 games. Bearing that in mind, what's Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo like on Street Fighter collection on Saturn? Is it authentic?

I'd like a good conversion of this game. The DC has one that's Japan-only but characters would be shrunk on DC, I think. So I'll avoid that if the Saturn one is better. Oh yeah, has anyone tried the 3DO version?

I personally like the GBA verion...

I like it too !
IMO, the only weak is the maneuvrablity if you've big hands ...
Besides, I've only 2 GBA games : SSF2X 'n GoldenSun (^_^')

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Ishmael
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"Re(1):Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Thu 5 Sep 10:00

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The Saturn usually gives accurate renditions of CPS-2 games. Bearing that in mind, what's Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo like on Street Fighter collection on Saturn? Is it authentic?

I'd like a good conversion of this game. The DC has one that's Japan-only but characters would be shrunk on DC, I think. So I'll avoid that if the Saturn one is better. Oh yeah, has anyone tried the 3DO version?

The Saturn version of SSF2T is, as near as I can tell, a very accurate port of the game. The characters are the proper size, the backgrounds are fully animated, and the loading is negligable. The only difference I can spot is that the US Saturn version has the Japanese arcade damage levels for the CPU as opposed to the harder US version. Considering I thought the US version cheated to such a degree that it was unplayable this change is a plus in my book. I have heard the DC version has both US and Japanese settings, different versions of Akuma and some glitches but I haven't played it myself.

tweleve
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"Re(2):Super SF 2 Turbo - Good versions?" , posted Thu 5 Sep 10:14

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The Saturn version of SSF2T is, as near as I can tell, a very accurate port of the game. The characters are the proper size, the backgrounds are fully animated, and the loading is negligable. The only difference I can spot is that the US Saturn version has the Japanese arcade damage levels for the CPU as opposed to the harder US version. Considering I thought the US version cheated to such a degree that it was unplayable this change is a plus in my book. I have heard the DC version has both US and Japanese settings, different versions of Akuma and some glitches but I haven't played it myself.

Great! Good old Saturn. Thanks for letting me know.

As for the GameBoy Advance version, that would be a very last resort. Don't like GBA.

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dorikyasu

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"comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 10:17

Let's see... I own SSF2X (SSF2Turbo) on 3DO, PSX, SS, & DC. Guess you can call me somewhat of a fan of SSF2X.

And from my hands-on experience with all of them, I'd say DC version is most accurate port of SSF2X among them all. Just for the simple fact it has virtually no loading & awesome hidden dipswitch option to match practically any arcade setting.

IMO, I'd rank different versions of SSF2X as follows:

DC > 3DO > PSX > SS

3DO version is quite impressive, as the only thing really missing from that version is parallex scrolling of backgrounds & the original arcade music.
It even loads faster than PSX/SS versions (and without that annoying black "Now Loading" screens, I might add.). Control is near impossible with standard 3DO pad, but I've been using custom modified arcade joystick for it and have no problems pulling off any specials or combos.
PSX & Saturn versions are nearly identical, however, Saturn version of SSF2X suffers from slight slowdown/frame skip (especially at higher speed settings) for some odd reason. You may not notice it unless you've compared them side-by-side to other versions though.

GBA version is impressive attempt, but I don't really consider it as true port of SSF2X...

tweleve
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"Re(1):comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 10:47

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Let's see... I own SSF2X (SSF2Turbo) on 3DO, PSX, SS, & DC. Guess you can call me somewhat of a fan of SSF2X.

And from my hands-on experience with all of them, I'd say DC version is most accurate port of SSF2X among them all. Just for the simple fact it has virtually no loading & awesome hidden dipswitch option to match practically any arcade setting.

IMO, I'd rank different versions of SSF2X as follows:

DC > 3DO > PSX > SS

3DO version is quite impressive, as the only thing really missing from that version is parallex scrolling of backgrounds & the original arcade music.
It even loads faster than PSX/SS versions (and without that annoying black "Now Loading" screens, I might add.). Control is near impossible with standard 3DO pad, but I've been using custom modified arcade joystick for it and have no problems pulling off any specials or combos.
PSX & Saturn versions are nearly identical, however, Saturn version of SSF2X suffers from slight slowdown/frame skip (especially at higher speed settings) for some odd reason. You may not notice it unless you've compared them side-by-side to other versions though.

GBA version is impressive attempt, but I don't really consider it as true port of SSF2X...

Really? Saturn version is not that good, you say? Does it actually slow down more than the PS version? If it does then it must have been one sloppy conversion.

I know it'll have quick loads and full animation, but what about the Dreamcast's smaller characters? Won't they look smaller against the backgrounds, or something? Unless the backgrounds are smaller too, in which case they'll scroll upwards less than the arcade version, or something like that.

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dorikyasu

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"Re(2):comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 11:06

Saturn version does have slightly larger character sprites (& backgrounds), but it's due to the differences in display resolution between arcade, Saturn, & DC than anything else. In other words, DC version's character sprites & backgrounds were scaled equally. So you won't have to worry about such things like smaller characters in normal size background.

Overall, Saturn version of SSF2X is good, but could've been so much better...

Btw, if it's any consolation (??), Saturn version of Super SF2 is definitely the best among all other versions (PSX, SNES, Genesis).

Iron D

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"Re(3):comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 12:24

Besides the load times, I don't see anyting at all wrong with the Saturn version. It could use some extra play modes I guess.

SSF2TR was just hell to play on a GBA. It cramped my hands up pretty bad. That, and the GBA pulls off a less than stellar job at faithfully recreating the music. It's good if you think of it as original music, it's not if you think of it as a translation of the arcade music (as I do).

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that explains a lot...

Nifty Lifty

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"Re(4):comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 12:57

Play the ROMs on Kawaks, it's arcade-perfect

EddyT
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"Re(5):comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 13:38

I've played tons of SSF2T, so I can comment on all the different versions.

GBA: It's a nice version with some added extras. I have issues with the button layout and four button uses. Music is an arranged version, and is not too well done due to the limitations of the sound chip (at least, I didn't like it much). Voices are nice, though. Uses SNES sprites of Super SF2 with some added sprites to accomodate the new Super Turbo moves.

3DO: Only seen this version once, so I can't really comment on how well it plays.

Saturn: I actually thought this version was one of the worst conversions. It had some really weird collision problems (especially when playing E. Honda doing his torpedo move). Colors weren't all that accurate, it definitely looked weird. I remember the time it came out years ago, I opted to buy this version since I saw how Vampire Hunter was done so well. Came out very disappointed.

Dreamcast: Definitely the fastest loading out of all the SSF2Ts for CD systems. Music, sound effects and everything are accurate. The only thing about this version... collision properties are wack sometimes. There are a lot of weird crossups in the game (where your character crosses up, but you and opponent are facing opposite ways while continuing combo). If you have seen the Japanese TZW Super SF2 tapes before, that's what the weird combos look like.

Playstation: This is probably the best version you can get, that is affordable. There are some minor differences in the game engine (some arcade combos don't work) but otherwise the collision is pretty accurate. The looks and sounds are also pretty dead-on. Loadtime is sometimes an issue, but not much if you have a PS2 with double speed activated.

Da ROMZZZZZZ: It all depends on your cpu hardware abilities. Purists say nothing beats the real thing, though... and I have to agree.

So basically, I would say if you're really serious about getting a perfect version of Super Turbo... consider buying the real arcade board. It's still a little pricey, but not nearly as expensive as it used to be. And it's possible to get a setup that you can hook up to your home TV (Super Gun comes to mind). Only concern is the CPS2 battery suicide that erases part of the ROM memory banks, but recently people have found out how to prevent that.

Hope this helps.

tweleve
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"Re(6):comparisons..." , posted Thu 5 Sep 16:28

quote:

Hope this helps.

Yep, it all helps. I feared the arcade board might be the way to go, and it seems to be the case. I suppose I'll get the Saturn one in the meantime. It might be flawed but from what you all say it seems to have decent collision detection and stuff, which is what I want.

Emulators? Yep, I use emus, but they're not really the same and I haven't got one of those big arcade joystick things for PC, so multiplayer would be difficult.

Thanks.

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MilkManX
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"Re(7):comparisons..." , posted Sun 8 Sep 21:27

Here is my order of SSF2T options.

1.)The board/Emu with a PC hooked to TV

2.)The PSX version(My only complaint is the CPU is not as hard as the arcade.)

3.)The DC one(The resolution just bothers me....VGA..)

4.)The GBA one for when you are on the go.

5.) The Saturn one....oh man was I bummed. I had this next day delivered when the import came out. Slowdown is in alot of stages. Bad colisions,Moves like poo gas.

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BlackNinjaVinny

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"Re(8):comparisons..." , posted Sun 8 Sep 22:18

As far as I can tell, the changed stages for the GBA one are just from other Street Fighter games. Chun Li's for example is her Zero 2 stage.

EddyT
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"Re(9):comparisons..." , posted Mon 9 Sep 01:53:

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As far as I can tell, the changed stages for the GBA one are just from other Street Fighter games. Chun Li's for example is her Zero 2 stage.

It's inspired from the Alpha 2 stage, but it's not an exact replica. It's actually redone in a pretty nice fashion.

Other different stages are Guile and the jet background, Zangief's stage is reworked, Ryu's temple stage looks cooler and Ken's and M.Bison's stages are totally new. I might be forgetting a few others... I haven't played SF2 Turbo Revivial in a while...

[this message was edited by EddyT on Mon 9 Sep 01:54]