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| DKW
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|  "Geez..."
, posted Wed 28 Aug 14:59
I don't own an X-box, but simply as a gamer and someone who's blown far too much good money on half-baked "adult" games that utterly failed to deliver, I'm praying like heck that this lord-knows-what-purpose-it's-for scene doesn't make it to the American release.
I mean, bad enough that this game's already leaning dangerously close to the fig-leafed half-in half-out "suggestive" territory that spawned a million and one horrible "adult" (their word, most definitely not mine) games. Bad enough that image-conscious gamers that honestly just want a fun volleyball title will have to hem and haw and rationalize as much as the poor saps who really enjoy the articles/interviews/features/whatever in magazines a thousand times more titillating.
Just consider this: We're supposed to believe that these women, who spend the great majority of time with each other fighting each other, are suddenly supposed to not only forget their differences but...uh, establish a totally opposite kind of relationship. The idea that there's an island big enough for the two of Kasumi and Ayane is farfetched as it is; what's the point of stretching the already-extremely tenuous DOA reality even further?
Oh yeah, and count me in as someone who's really, really desperate for information on what the, er, <<VOLLEYBALL>> is like.
Geez. (What more is there to say?)
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| Hungrywolf 1425th Post
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| "Re(2):Geez..." , posted Wed 28 Aug 17:26
I like the DoA games (well, from DoA2 anyway) and I'm sure this will be a good game (despite all the fanservice, it will still be a volleyball game. BTW, Beachspikers is good, I never game my opinion of it. I like it, and there is a lot of touching between teammates that I wasn't expecting, so I guess Sega decided on a little fanservice themselves. I think the feeding thing (which is just odd) works like a feature in Beach Spikers where in the middle of matches you have opportunities to praise, encourage, or discipline your partner (which makes more sense, and only happens in world tour mode). Anyhow, I'm looking forward more to DoA4 and to seeing the new Ninja Gaiden. (Though I don't wanna miss a chance at playing DoA XTreme Beach Volleyball either, though I don't think it's the volleyball that is extreme....)
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| DKW
148th Post
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| "Re(9):Tecmo is nutz, with a capital Z. DOAX" , posted Thu 29 Aug 21:39:
This might be a decent game, but the overemphasis on "girls" has always been one of the sore points of DOA, and this game (again, what is the purpose of that "lesbianesque feeding"??) takes it to a whole new level. How can this not provoke raging controversy when they're practically asking for it?
All this, of course, just reinforces the point that Tecmo should have decided, definitively, from day one, exactly what they were going after. A fanservicey fighting game with plenty of jiggling and shaking and pretty faces and sexy poses, and a system that's not all that deep? Fine. Make it all female. But people like simple, powerful guys like Jann Lee and Ein. Fin, make Jann Lee and Ein female. (Hey, didn't they already do that with Hitomi?) Also, give it a really simple premise; ditch the Fame Douglas/millennium/ninjas/Bird Creatures From Another Planet story (which is stupid anyway). A deep, technical fighter with the added elements of the terrain? Make a diverse cast, don't overemphasize anyone (male or female), don't worry about making everyone beautiful 'n glamorous, and spend a lot of time working out the game system. How about a simple-to-learn fighter for those of us turned off by full-page movelists and migraine-inducing conventions? Great, do that; if you need a main character, make it the easiest-to-play one of the lot.
All this wishy-washy, piecemeal, half-in half-out design...all bad, no good. Again, they should know better by now.
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| Hungrywolf 1434th Post
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| "Re(10):Tecmo is nutz, with a capital Z. DOAX" , posted Fri 30 Aug 10:31
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This might be a decent game, but the overemphasis on "girls" has always been one of the sore points of DOA, and this game (again, what is the purpose of that "lesbianesque feeding"??) takes it to a whole new level. How can this not provoke raging controversy when they're practically asking for it?
All this, of course, just reinforces the point that Tecmo should have decided, definitively, from day one, exactly what they were going after. A fanservicey fighting game with plenty of jiggling and shaking and pretty faces and sexy poses, and a system that's not all that deep? Fine. Make it all female. But people like simple, powerful guys like Jann Lee and Ein. Fin, make Jann Lee and Ein female. (Hey, didn't they already do that with Hitomi?) Also, give it a really simple premise; ditch the Fame Douglas/millennium/ninjas/Bird Creatures From Another Planet story (which is stupid anyway). A deep, technical fighter with the added elements of the terrain? Make a diverse cast, don't overemphasize anyone (male or female), don't worry about making everyone beautiful 'n glamorous, and spend a lot of time working out the game system. How about a simple-to-learn fighter for those of us turned off by full-page movelists and migraine-inducing conventions? Great, do that; if you need a main character, make it the easiest-to-play one of the lot.
All this wishy-washy, piecemeal, half-in half-out design...all bad, no good. Again, they should know better by now.
I happen to like the play mechanics of both DoA2 and 3 and think they are very good fighters. So they are making a volleyball game with the DoA girls that has fanservice. Big deal. If the game is fun, then great. The fighters are good games too, I really like them. Yes, they are easy to pick up and play, but there are also moves to do in the game that are not so easy to do, and need work over time. I think the DoA games (2 and 3) play well, and have a good cast, and are not just about fanservice and an easy game. I'm really trying to figure out exactly what you were saying anyway, DKW, I may have interpreted it wrong.
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| DKW
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| "clarification" , posted Sat 31 Aug 00:28:
My point was that Tecmo should've decided EXACTLY what kind of game they were making before they even started on Dead or Alive instead of the wishy-washy some 'o this, some 'o that piecemeal design they actually did.
I mean, take a look at the original. It has actual fighting styles, a pretty serious story (okay, it's really implausible, but it's serious), realistic-looking, if somewhat idealized, characters, and extensive profiles. All of which points to a fairly realistic fighter a la Tekken or Bloody Roar; not quite on the level of Virtua Fighter, but pretty close.
And then there were the danger zones, these little patches of ground that could send a person 15 feet skyward (more than double that if it's the final blow). Uh, okay, kinda farfetched, but not totally wild.
And then there were those...those breasts. The instant I saw those wildly flapping breasts (the single most ludicrious thing I've ever seen on a 3D fighting game, BTW), I knew this game destroyed any chance of being taken seriously.
So what we had here was a somewhat technical, pretty realistic, pretty serious fighting game...with human cannonballs and ridiculously floppy breasts. And guess which, er, feature Tecmo decided to play up when this got ported to PSX.
Worse, because you can't just toss out a guy like Jann Lee (because he's, you know, popular) or Ryu Hayabusa (because he's, you know, essential), when they decided to go out with the sex appeal angle for the sequel, they had to keep the guys for the many players who still were interested in the actual fighting. It's plainly obvious that Tecmo would've love to have ditched their men entirely (Who was it, BTW, in the DOA2 Hardcore gallery? And the front page of the official and unofficial websites? And every hintbook, poster, and promo imaginable?), but they couldn't. This just continued in DOA3, with yet another effort to feminize the series stymied by the men who had to be there and couldn't be removed without serious repercussions (like a lot of players giving up the game).
When Capcom did Pocket Fighter, they did not attempt to "leaven" the wackiness with a dark story element, realistic styles, or anyting else. Pocket Fighter was a wild, silly, goofy, thorougly nonserious noncanon fighter, and it never pretended to be anything else. When Sega designed The House of the Dead, they were going after the most gory, gruesome, creepy 3D shooter ever. No sugarcoating, no distractions. Both were fine games becase the designers knew exactly what they wanted and held nothing back.
Why didn't Tecmo do the same with DOA? If what they wanted all along was lots of gorgeous, voluptious ladies duking it out with a "story" whose sole purpose is to give them a reason, fine, they should have made the roster ENTIRELY out of such women. If they saw this as the way to go after DOA came out, they should've killed DOA right then and there and started an entirely new fighting game with their true vision. If they were embarrassed by the "girlification" of DOA, they should've drastically reduced the emphasis on Kasumi, Tina, and Lei-Fang and brought their guys up a little.
The end result, of course, is that we now have a volley ball game with eight competitors. Eight! Most of the 8-bit console volleyball games had more. And of course, now they're resorting to "easter eggs" in an effort to make this an easier sell.
Just a badly mishandled franchise with too many wishy-washy decisions. That's something I never like to see.
Footnote: Since Tecmo's intentions with DOAX are pretty obvious, why don't they go all the way and design a whole bunch of new women for the game? I mean, as long as Kaz and company are in it, they can still call it DOAX, and it'd be nice to have some variety in the lineup.
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| Ferrio 252th Post
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| "Re(1):clarification" , posted Sat 31 Aug 00:33:
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The end result, of course, is that we now have a volley ball game with eight competitors. Eight! Most of the 8-bit console volleyball games had more. And of course, now they're resorting to "easter eggs" in an effort to make this an easier sell.
You got it the other way around, the volleyball IS the minigame/easteregg. Everything else is the original concept of the DOA Xtreme game.
Quoting the Madman's frontpage from 08/02/02
"In a short interview conducted by Japanese game news site Dengeki Online, Tecmo producer Tomonobu Itagaki revealed that their upcoming sports game "Dead Or Alive Extreme Volleyball" was originally planned to be developed with the title "DOA Digital Venus 2002" as a program that would allow fans to simply "move around the attractive CG characters in real time".
Itagaki quotes, "But, just being able to move them around would be no fun, so we added a feature of Volley Ball. [We were] also thinking of making it into a swimming game, but canned the idea. I gave the green light [to the Volleyball] since we had confidence that it would be full of exhilaration.""
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