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| Ferrio
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|  "The KOF2k2 *gameplay* discussion."
, posted Sun 25 Aug 17:21:
Ok there's a lot of threads about this and that and what character go screwed, and how their poses have been changed and what not. Well I haven't seen much discussion on the new systems...so let's stick it in here.
- PowerMAX mode allows moves to be canceled with a normal special or roll, allows one free use of a DM, or a SDM with an extra stock. The remaining time on PowerMAX will deplete every time an attack is canceled (about 1/4th the full meter). Performing the DM will deplete all remaining time on the PowerMAX. PowerMAX does not allow inifinite use of DMs"
This so far sounds like the biggest change to the KOF system. It sounds like some weird hybrid of the CvS2 A groove and the classic Advanced mode. Unlike CvS2 A groove you can only cancel special moves from any move, and not anymove from anymore. Also since cancelling drains your bar it sounds like these combos won't last as long either. Really the only resemblence is the cancelling into specials, time limit, and ending with a super move.
In theory it sounds like you could manage to do stuff like kyo's qcf+C,hcb+Cx2, qcf+DD, qcb,hcf+p
But who knows. I'm really curious how this will turn out and how useful it'll actually be.
Iori- Weaker overall. Forward + A cancels, but only on the 2nd hit. Forward +b doesn't cancel. Invincibility on Maiden masher is short.
Taking away Iori's classic combo is kinda weak (cancelling F+a). I've never been a Iori player, but as soon as I saw this I cringed. Only thing worse could of been taking away his classic cross up (B+b)
Mary- Dynamite Swing is still raging demon style command.
Not that important, but I was hoping for it to go back to the qcfx2. Oh well more raging demon for me.
Chris- Chain slide touch has more invincibility, faster motion.
ICK. If I recall wasn't Chris top tier in 98? Aren't you suppose to do the opposite of making them stronger?
Orochi Yashiro, Clark, and Normal/Orochi Chris were top tiers in the beta testing and used often.
Tiers are looking like KOF98 sorta. With the grapplers (O.Yashiro and Clark, where's goro?) and of course Chris.
Blue Mary
Strights slicer has weakened, can be punished on guard
DAMN. Oh well guess no more throwing it out looking for an opening.
Again, No striker system.
We've all known this for quite some time. Least I have (remember reading some interview). This has to be my favorite change...I'm finally glad to be rid of the striker system.
- Leona's life drains to half when she goes into rage mode, no stock needed (command uncertain). Currently, she can keep juggling the opponent with Moon Slashes after she footsweeps them in her rage mode.
This is a neat concept that you don't see often in fighters. I'm curious how long you can juggle your opponent with the slashes though. Hmm wonder if they're getting it confused with the PowerMax mode....
[this message was edited by Ferrio on Sun 25 Aug 17:27] |
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| Iggy 492th Post
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| "Re(5):The KOF2k2 *gameplay* discussion." , posted Mon 26 Aug 02:28
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Weird I was reading it wrong the whole time. I read it that after she went down half in life she'd go into Rage mode. Who was the other character that did something like that...wasn't it like Shingo when he was the last person in his team he'd power up or something.... damn foggy memory.
Yes, I understood it the same way, like Saotome Jin (Jun? damn...) in MvC (2), but it seems it drains half of your life (the command seems to be ABC, or up down BD... nobody seems sure of it).
When you win, Leona comes back to normal for the next round. Her face doesn't changes, but the sprite becomes her 97 self.
Iori still has his follow up from 2001 (4xdown-forward + AC) and Athena her Psychic Nine.
Mai Lee seems to be strong, with someone making a 28 hit combo at the beta test BUT it seems that you can't cancel anymore the kamae change.
There is no random box this time, but it is made by pressing start on a character that doesn't has another form (that is, for now, anyone except the Orochis)
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| Iggy 494th Post
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| "Re(7):The KOF2k2 *gameplay* discussion." , posted Mon 26 Aug 03:09:
The Super Cancel still exists
The energy bar flashes red when you are about to be gard breaked
The main illusts are by Hiroaki, so those who don't like Nona can chill.
The stages change from one round to another (the hour of the day changes)
Leona's gravity storm is back
Ralf's voice seem to have changed (what he says, not the voice actor)
Yuri lost the cho mawashigeri and the cho nuckle.
Mei Li's mooves name seem to have changed
Ryo's D color looks like satsui no Hadô Ryû
Vice has a color were she seems to have Mature's clothes, and a follow up for one of her DM
Mary : she became harder to play because of the straight Slicer. Some people says she has a DM like the M Spider, but some don't agree.
Yamazaki : the sand kick is 97 style when weak, 98 when strong. You can cancel but it's hard to connect.
Orochi Chris can't connect attack -> Muyô no ono -> Shishi wo kamu Honô.
K' has a Kula-ish color
Seth's weak jump kick is weaker.
Vanessa has a forward-down-forward anti air, and a moove name that looks like Rick Straud's.
Ramon's normal moove are faster.
The mid boss is one character of the Kula team, but not stronger than the normal version(???)
Rugal make his ship explode when he looses (the tradition is respected) and Heidern, in an helicopter, comes to save everyone.
The ending seems funny (example : Mature seduces Clark then attacks him, Athena changes through her different clothes, then suddenly changes in Chang...)
Chin can drink alcool many times in a row, but nobody know what it's used for (maybe a bug?)
Rugal is easy, the guys beat him fighting normally like they would fight a normal character and won. At least, in the beta test.
Orochi Yashiro has a new DM (ranbu or run and grab?) and his D attack is an anti air.
Yamazaki's hebi tsukai is very strong, and when fighting Yamazaki the two laugh like mad (?)
Kula lost her A kyu (oh really?^^)
K9999's new moove is like a mooving "warero"
his forward+A is last year normal C, and his jump C is last year jump CD.
The people who saw Shingo say he has 1 or 2 new mooves.
Iori's throw moove is very fast.
The original combo thingie examples are most of the time "moove A -> moove B -> moove A etc".
I saw yesterday a combo with Chin that looked very easy and took of 80% of the energy... But I can't find it back. Well, most of the combos will be changed in the final product I gess.
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| TheBeast 992th Post
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| "Re(3):Beni's Jump D should be banned" , posted Tue 27 Aug 03:47
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You haven't seen Yashiro's Jump D. Man, that guy has the longest and highest priority legs I've ever seen. Even EX-Ryo's invincible dragon punch sometimes can't win priority over it.
I'm pretty sure Yashiro's Jump D is nothing compared to Benimaru. I've been playing O.Yashiro all my life. His Jump D has startup and almost zero crossup capability (his crossup is his Jump C). The only thing good his Jump D is that it has long reach, but that's about it. Benimaru Jump D, on the other hand is instant, high priority, long range, and can crossup like there's no tomorrow. You can win with Benimaru by jump-D-ing all day, even against good players. And the most confusing part about it is that it's hard to tell if it will crossup or not because of his jump speed. And when he goes for the crossup, there is nothing you can do except block it right or try rolling (risky). Only someone like Blue Mary can counter it well.
Hmmmmmm gee I never found Beni's Jump D that scary till you mentioned it...probably I suck at KOF so never noticed that...heh 
But Yashiro vs Beni, from a novice opinion I would say Yashiro is still much more scarier than Beni. Does Yashiro need to do any crossups? He can pressure others with his Jump D reach and priority in the air. If not he can pressure on the ground with his CD attack, and anti-air with his Crouch C. I am always on my wits' end against Yashiro...but for Beni, if he tries to come close to me with a Jump D, I could try rolling away or something...not the case with Yashiro.
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| Muchiko
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| "Re(4):Beni's Jump D should be banned" , posted Tue 27 Aug 17:03
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Hmmmmmm gee I never found Beni's Jump D that scary till you mentioned it...probably I suck at KOF so never noticed that...heh
Well... when you get an opponent try using Benimaru and hyper hop D all day, trying to crossup left and right... and you'll see what I mean.
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But Yashiro vs Beni, from a novice opinion I would say Yashiro is still much more scarier than Beni.
Benimaru was one of the best poker in 2000. I don't know how novice play but if Benimaru pokes more and jump D more, he would beat all Yashiro.
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Does Yashiro need to do any crossups?
O.Yashiro does... almost every throws that O.Yashiro excutes, allow him the opportunity to do crossup mind games, just like Shermie. This is one of his biggest part of his gameplay, and is essential to his winning, so he does need a crossup, which he already has.
Any grappler with a crossup is deadly. And both O.Yashiro and Shermie have most of their throws giving them a setup for a crossup (especially that corner crossup thing).
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He can pressure others with his Jump D reach and priority in the air.
A good pressure jump attack needs speed, e.g. Kyo's Jump B. Yashiro's Jump D doesn't have the speed nor the priority. Most uppercuts will eat it for lunch.
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If not he can pressure on the ground with his CD attack, and anti-air with his Crouch C.
I don't think you can even pressure with Yashiro since he has no high priority jump attacks, except for his Jump A. And I don't think you can pressure anything with his CD attack since it has startup; in '97 it's instant. His Jump CD is his anti-air. You definitely don't want to Low C Beni's Jump D.
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but for Beni, if he tries to come close to me with a Jump D, I could try rolling away or something...not the case with Yashiro.
Why isn't there a case with Yashiro? Yashiro doesn't even have a really good crossup. And he got to be close to do it. Rolling is a gimmick in KOF, there are only rare situations where it is useful... anti-crossup is one of 'em but it doesn't always work if the person doing the crossup knows that you will roll it. So if you roll his crossup, he will run forward to your roll and combo, or simply do another crossup easily. Like I said, Benimaru can do a fast crossup 3/4 of the screen away. Half screen away, he can cross you up in less than a second. (try it, hyper hop D near half screen width)
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