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OYashiroForever
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"KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin:" , posted Sat 24 Aug 21:56:

While I certainly can understand people having beef with 2k2's roster, systems, or what have you, I'm more of a "glass half full" kinda guy and would like to list 10 reasons why KoF 2k2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread:

1) The return of the Band Team. I think half of my grumbles and gripes about the last three years of KoF has just been misdirected anger at not being able to play O. Yashiro.

2) No god damned Bao!!!!! Let's hope the little bastard spends his off year enjoying a round of good old fashioned prison rape.

3) No strikers. Good riddance. It didn't work... it had to go. They were damn near useless in '99 and BRUTALLY overpowered in '00. While they were finally starting to find a middle ground in 2k1, it was too little, too late as far as I was concerned. Sayonara... you won't be missed.

4) Return of Rugal as final boss. C'mon... admit it. Rugal IS KoF. You know you love him. Where would we be without our favorite megalomaniacal Michael Flatley impersonator? (Sorry... inside joke) Yeah, I've liked Igniz, Goenitz, and the other non-Rugal bosses... but they're just no replacement for the real deal. When he blows himself up after you beat him in 2k2, all will feel right with the world.

5) Return of Advanced mode. While the infinite DMs and Custom Combo-esque thing reaks of abuse potential, I'd rather harp on the fact that Advanced mode's version of meter-handling is 10x better than '99s or 2000s.

6) Getting a year off from Lin. I can't help but look at Lin and think "Reptile Wins! Fatality!" He just looks totally out of place in KoF. Eiji owns that goofy-looking prick without even trying. In addition, Lin is broken beyond belief in both 2k and 2k1.

7) Return of the Real Bout team. While I would've loved to see Geese with 'Zaki and Billy, I'm perfectly happy just getting those two back. I'll include the return of everyone's favorite lesbian secretaries here as well. Between O. Yashiro, Shermie, and Vice, this game's got some serious grapplers.

8) The backgrounds, by default, will be better than 2001's awful ones. They CAN'T get any worse. Same goes with the music.

9) No Foxy glitch!!! No explanation necessary.

and finally...

10) It's a new KoF game, people! Are message boards really only populated by anti-social whining teenagers with nothing to do but bitch about every last detail of their unhealthy fanboy obsessions? Rejoice and be glad for your savior has arrived! Well, maybe not, but still. Enthusiasm, people!

* NOTE: This post is 40% alcohol by volume. Do not operate heavy machinery while reading this post. Oh... and its all opinion also.

"I haven't slept for 10 days because that would be too long."

"Your denial is beneath you and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs

I see through you."

[this message was edited by OYashiroForever on Sat 24 Aug 21:59]

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Juke Joint Jezebel

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"Re(1):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 02:35

quote:
I'll include the return of everyone's favorite lesbian secretaries here as well.

hear ye, hear ye!
my lesbians are back!

ah, Mature and Vice .... on my team, they'll be tossing people around like rag dolls with Shermie as backup
i'm glad to finally see some praise threads around here. the rest were giving me a headache

Lulled with sound of sweetest melody -- The Midnight Carnival

TheBeast

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"Re(2):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 02:56

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i'm glad to finally see some praise threads around here. the rest were giving me a headache

There are two sides to every story. I suppose from the beta testers it seems like a good decent sequel. We shall see...

I am still upset but at least I have stopped my whining, until the final product.

Izek
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"Re(3):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 03:13

what i think really sucks is that most of us are basing (sp?) their opinions on what a couple or so beta testers said. what they don't like doesn't mean we won't like either.so what if they took 80% energy on their first try? everybody knows the japanese players are great/hardcore at fighters... i too say wait for the final friggin product!

however, it is kinda fun/interesting with all these arguments going on, still proves how famous the franchise really is IMO.

Thanks for reading,

Fuchikoma
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"Re(4):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 03:39

I guess it's just frustrating when you know how much wasted potential there is. When you have a game like Marvel vs Capcom 2 that has pretty much the ultimate cast, it just makes Eolith look bad. It is possible to make KOF 2k2 a much, much better game... that's why people are upset.

Juke Joint Jezebel

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"Re(5):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 03:50:

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I guess it's just frustrating when you know how much wasted potential there is. When you have a game like Marvel vs Capcom 2 that has pretty much the ultimate cast, it just makes Eolith look bad. It is possible to make KOF 2k2 a much, much better game... that's why people are upset.

ya, but i think the potential went in good areas. by that, i mean they only have one year to do a new kof. a year goes by fast when you're continuing a legendary series like the King of Fighters. and not to nitpick MvC2, but i hear it's ripe with bugs (i've also seen it firsthand). but i don't play MvC2 regularly, so my opinion doesn't really count on that issue

and yea! who knew there'd be so much buzz over a new kof? hell yea, the franchise is still thriving! at least for some of us ........ the minority of the total gaming world (us) are probably the only ones making the biggest deal over this

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[this message was edited by Juke Joint Jezebel on Sun 25 Aug 03:51]

ninjabastard

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"Re(6):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 04:11

quote:
I guess it's just frustrating when you know how much wasted potential there is. When you have a game like Marvel vs Capcom 2 that has pretty much the ultimate cast, it just makes Eolith look bad. It is possible to make KOF 2k2 a much, much better game... that's why people are upset.

ya, but i think the potential went in good areas. by that, i mean they only have one year to do a new kof. a year goes by fast when you're continuing a legendary series like the King of Fighters. and not to nitpick MvC2, but i hear it's ripe with bugs (i've also seen it firsthand). but i don't play MvC2 regularly, so my opinion doesn't really count on that issue

and yea! who knew there'd be so much buzz over a new kof? hell yea, the franchise is still thriving! at least for some of us ........ the minority of the total gaming world (us) are probably the only ones making the biggest deal over this

Oh MvC2 is filled with bugs alright. I play that game I can say there are a shit load of bugs in that game. But, anyway I really didn't lose any characters I liked. At the same time I got back the characters I wanted. The only thing I don't like is how Iori is going to suck for another year. I'm still going to reserve judgement intill I play it.

Time Mage

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"Re(1):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 04:38:

Hey! I was about to make this thread!

I think that KOF 2002 will be great. An, if you check the news, you'll see that the power activation mode is not as cheap as we thought: No infinite DM's and -1/4 of time bar when a special is cancelled, so I think it looks balanced enough.

Yes, King could be in the game, but she will return soon, as Goro did. Also, I wanted Foxy back in the game, but you can't have all...

My main fear (and is only that, a unreasoned fear) is that the game can become a grappler's game, just like KOF'98 (it's main downside, IMO).

Everything else seems great, can't wait to see it!

(and I hopefully I'll see the machine before the ROM..., unlike 2001...)

EDIT: A plus and a minus of the game:

+ NO STRIKERS!!!!!!!

- K9999 can't crouch block?? WTF??

[this message was edited by Time Mage on Sun 25 Aug 04:48]

FINAL SHOWDOWN
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".." , posted Sun 25 Aug 04:47

i cant wait for the sound track. It sounds great.

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"I be happy!" , posted Sun 25 Aug 07:42

Yeah,I love the roster the way it is. I'll miss Xiangfei,too. But I'm cool with it! I don't know how many times I've said it,but Billy and Yamazaki returning have satisfied me! Now I shall have the ability to mix these two up with the new people from 2k/2k1.

I like 2k1's stages except for the ugly ass bosses stages.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR 2K2!! I'm happy!

I don't care about Lin or Bao at all. KOF is gonna be a whole lot better without them.

Zazzarius
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"Re(1):I be happy!" , posted Sun 25 Aug 09:01

i can see it now!
"is this the end . . . of lovable rugal?!"
*boom*

High-Octane
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"Re(2):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 09:06

quote:
Hey! I was about to make this thread!

I think that KOF 2002 will be great. An, if you check the news, you'll see that the power activation mode is not as cheap as we thought: No infinite DM's and -1/4 of time bar when a special is cancelled, so I think it looks balanced enough.

Yes, King could be in the game, but she will return soon, as Goro did. Also, I wanted Foxy back in the game, but you can't have all...

My main fear (and is only that, a unreasoned fear) is that the game can become a grappler's game, just like KOF'98 (it's main downside, IMO).

Everything else seems great, can't wait to see it!

(and I hopefully I'll see the machine before the ROM..., unlike 2001...)

EDIT: A plus and a minus of the game:

+ NO STRIKERS!!!!!!!

- K9999 can't crouch block?? WTF??

LOL! I wonder why they don't wanna let K9999 have a crouch block! Darn... Looks like I gotta jump and roll around a lot!

No one can contain my awesome power!
K9999 - Powered by Octane

Izek
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"Re(3):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 10:55

quote:
Hey! I was about to make this thread!

I think that KOF 2002 will be great. An, if you check the news, you'll see that the power activation mode is not as cheap as we thought: No infinite DM's and -1/4 of time bar when a special is cancelled, so I think it looks balanced enough.

Yes, King could be in the game, but she will return soon, as Goro did. Also, I wanted Foxy back in the game, but you can't have all...

My main fear (and is only that, a unreasoned fear) is that the game can become a grappler's game, just like KOF'98 (it's main downside, IMO).

Everything else seems great, can't wait to see it!

(and I hopefully I'll see the machine before the ROM..., unlike 2001...)

EDIT: A plus and a minus of the game:

+ NO STRIKERS!!!!!!!

- K9999 can't crouch block?? WTF??

LOL! I wonder why they don't wanna let K9999 have a crouch block! Darn... Looks like I gotta jump and roll around a lot!

i think what they/Professor meant was that, his " new ariel " move can't be blocked while crouching.

OYashiroForever
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"Re(4):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 11:18

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i think what they/Professor meant was that, his " new ariel " move can't be blocked while crouching.

Agreed. A lil' SNK Engrish got in the way for a sec. Anywho, with the updates on PowerMAX's limitations and the possible reappearance of Shingo, some of my fears for 2k2 have been reassured.

Anywho, here's a couple more things to gush about:

1) Old school music. While it might not make for a great soundtrack purchase (more like a Greatest Hits), it'll be great hearing all those old tunes again.

2) Iori's fwd+A still cancels (only on 2nd hit, though)

3) More character intros and character-specific winning poses. Iori/Kyo are long overdue for "post-game taunting".

New KoF... happy days!

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I see through you."

NARUTO

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"Re(4):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 11:24

I totaly agree with you Oyashiroforever,this game looks very better than the 2k1.

The only thing I disagree is about Lin, No this guy is a kof menber and have this place in the game.
He is intersting to use (2000 version, not the stupid one from eolith, yes they change!)

And he have a very good storyline IMO, I don't know why they've removed him, but I'm sure to see Him again in the 2003 storyline to bust Long and this dragon power thing.

Izek
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"Re(5):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 11:37

i find it very unsurprising that Iori is week again, that has been done on almost a yearly bases. one year he's a monster, the other he's Kyo's bitch. nothing new.

now after the new update i'm kinda interested in this new combo sytem, might make Kof even more strategic/even faster.

and in every update u can see lots of changes to characters (heck even Terry got a new DM). i think Eolith did an excellent job in this departement (which btw is my fave departement).

P.S. my only gripe with the game was that there was/is no Eiji, but when now i think he wouldn't fit in too well with the new/updated cast unless he was completely redesigned (why waste time doing that for only one installment?).

CrazyMike
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"Re(6):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 14:08

quote:

P.S. my only gripe with the game was that there was/is no Eiji, but when now i think he wouldn't fit in too well with the new/updated cast unless he was completely redesigned (why waste time doing that for only one installment?).

So going by that logic, did SNK *waste time* redesigning Rugal, Seisyu, Heidern and the Sports Team in KOF98 even though that was their first last appearance for that game? even Dreammatch 98 had new sprites for these characters, where are the new sprites in this new dreammatch? I just find it bizarre that a company has a year to work on a game and the only new sprites to show are a couple backgrounds, intro and select/fight screens. Not to mention they are reusing old music. Ok we will see a new Athena costume but that happens every year, they could of at least bothered to throw in 2 or 3 fighters not ripped from 96-01 considering all the time they had to put this game together.

Fuchikoma
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"Re(7):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 15:53

There's no denying that this KOF was just slapped together from old sprites and music with hardly any new content... to me this can really mean 2 things.

First it could just mean that Eolith surely is NOT SNK and they just aren't capable of keeping the series alive.

Or secondly it could mean KOF 2k2 had a relatively small staff while the rest of the crew begins a total overhaul of KOF for 2003. I highly doubt it... but they might be redoing every single sprite for 2003 and just slapped 2002 together so they don't miss a year. It could also have to do with SNK vs Capcom, perhaps that's been the main focus of Playmore and Brezza... so they didn't give Eolith much help on 2k2.

Izek
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"Re(7):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 16:11

quote:

So going by that logic, did SNK *waste time* redesigning Rugal, Seisyu, Heidern and the Sports Team in KOF98 even though that was their first last appearance for that game? even Dreammatch 98 had new sprites for these characters, where are the new sprites in this new dreammatch? I just find it bizarre that a company has a year to work on a game and the only new sprites to show are a couple backgrounds, intro and select/fight screens. Not to mention they are reusing old music. Ok we will see a new Athena costume but that happens every year, they could of at least bothered to throw in 2 or 3 fighters not ripped from 96-01 considering all the time they had to put this game together.

are you sure SNK wasn't going to re-use those sprites? i'm willing to bet they were. u never know what would have happened if they hadn't went bankrupt.

i like the way the present Kof (s) have a different feel. i don't wanna play a mix of 97 and 98 with little enhancements year after year, thats for sure.

to me when i play kof98 it looks very out of date compared to 01 (to each his own i guess).

be grateful the series hasn't died out, instead of criticizing (sp?) them.

it all comes down to one simple little statement, don't like it don't play it., watch if the rest of us care.

Ferrio
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"Re(8):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 17:01

I'll just state what I said in a previous thread:

"I'm actually curious how these modified custom combos (POWERMAX) are going to work. Just see it....do Andy's hcf+p three times then end with his cho reppa dan or something.

Or Kyo's qcf+C,hcb+C cancel qcf+c, hcb+c, cancel qcf+c, hcb+c cancel qcf+D,D, qcb,hcf+P

(though, I wonder if that would be possible or it would just recognize a f+C and finish the chain instead of cancelling)

Well...least that's how the system sounds like it plays...

Overall I'm very excited about this game, and I'm not getting that "eewww.. this isn't right" feeling like I did from 2k and 2k1. Most likely the due to the elimination of strikers.

The only complaint so far I have is the loss of King, Shingo(?) and the absence of Geese. But I can't complain much since the New Face team is back (with their orochi counterparts... yay Orochi Yashiro) along with Vice, Mature, and Yamazaki.

"

Gen

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"Re(1):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 20:43

I hope there are new pleasing backgrounds. I hope the music is re-done versions for 2002.

I don't thin Nona is terrible, I like that he does some different things that he does. I don't think he should be the lead artist, but he fits well as a contributor. New blood is good. And Hiroaki is the main artist so there we have it.

I want to see more of Nona's stuff actually.

Should have been a foursome but Don Rickles was late.

MilkManX
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"Re(2):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 21:15

Ok so I didnt get Duck King...

I still will try this game before I judge it. I am having much less confidence though due to the rehash powers of Eolith.

macrossfanworks

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"Re(2):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 21:18

I second that, Nona is a good artist. People are just scared of his stuff because it doesnt look like it came from a girly anime.

Does he have a website?

quote:

I don't thin Nona is terrible, I like that he does some different things that he does. I don't think he should be the lead artist, but he fits well as a contributor. New blood is good. And Hiroaki is the main artist so there we have it.

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Gen

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"Re(3):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 21:25

quote:
I second that, Nona is a good artist. People are just scared of his stuff because it doesnt look like it came from a girly anime.

Does he have a website?

I don't thin Nona is terrible, I like that he does some different things that he does. I don't think he should be the lead artist, but he fits well as a contributor. New blood is good. And Hiroaki is the main artist so there we have it.

I believe he has a web site, but I don't have the url. Someone help us out! ^_^

TiamatRoar
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"Re(3):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Sun 25 Aug 22:44

quote:
I second that, Nona is a good artist. People are just scared of his stuff because it doesnt look like it came from a girly anime.

I'm scared of his stuff because his Yuri-zilla victory art in KOF2k1 is... well, SCARY.

YeldellGW
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"Re(4):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 09:03

My 4 favorite teams of all time are together again!

The greatest fights of all time are coming once again!

All Hell will break lose!

Juan

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"Re(4):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 09:11

Haha Yurizilla! Im betting he did that in purpose tho, maybe Nona has a personal grudge against Yuri? But his other rendition is quite nice (the one giving the thumbs up.)

quote:
I'm scared of his stuff because his Yuri-zilla victory art in KOF2k1 is... well, SCARY.

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"Re(5):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 13:56

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Haha Yurizilla! Im betting he did that in purpose tho, maybe Nona has a personal grudge against Yuri? But his other rendition is quite nice (the one giving the thumbs up.)

I'm scared of his stuff because his Yuri-zilla victory art in KOF2k1 is... well, SCARY.

I too belong to the minority that liked Nona's art, and I am within the group that liked Yuri-zilla's art, it rocked on a very freak twisted way... ha ha ha.... I wish I could draw like that...

As usual I give my best face to the game.

Iggy

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"Re(6):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 14:26

quote:
I too belong to the minority that liked Nona's art, and I am within the group that liked Yuri-zilla's art, it rocked on a very freak twisted way... ha ha ha.... I wish I could draw like that...

Hey!! another worshipper of Yurizilla! That makes.... 1... 2... 3? that's great!

Go, Nona, go!! Don't listen to the evil rumor, you have a little fan club too!!

ZamIAm

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"Nona" , posted Mon 26 Aug 21:25

I actually like Nona's art though it certainly is an acquire taste. I'm assuming Nona is a he. What would be interesting is if by some twist of fate, Edyan did KOF art or at least the Rage of the Dragons artist.

"That's the way love goes

Turns you inside out and then implodes."

Izek
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"Re(7):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 21:52

quote:
I too belong to the minority that liked Nona's art, and I am within the group that liked Yuri-zilla's art, it rocked on a very freak twisted way... ha ha ha.... I wish I could draw like that...

Hey!! another worshipper of Yurizilla! That makes.... 1... 2... 3? that's great!

Go, Nona, go!! Don't listen to the evil rumor, you have a little fan club too!!

make that 4!

the first time i saw it i almost fell of my chair laughing.

the only character picture i REALLY hate is Andy's. what was he thinking?!

JJWE
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"Re(8):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 22:35

Has anyone taken a gander at the beak (s)he gave Leona? ...geez, I gotta' dig up a pic. ^_^;

*digs*

http://hem.passagen.se/gouki/leona_nose.gif

Try pasting that in a fresh browser. I know my host doesn't allow direct linking, but that should work. If it doesn't, you'll get yelled at in swedish. ^_^

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"Re(9):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggrin" , posted Mon 26 Aug 22:41

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Has anyone taken a gander at the beak (s)he gave Leona? ...geez, I gotta' dig up a pic. ^_^;

*digs*

http://hem.passagen.se/gouki/leona_nose.gif

She looks drowsy also...she looked better in her smaller order select pic.

MVS version in 2003. Are you ready?

JJWE
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"Re(10):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggri" , posted Tue 27 Aug 05:35:

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She looks drowsy also...she looked better in her smaller order select pic.

She looks like a troll! Hell, the earring sorta' completes the picture, except that it should be round. ^_^;

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mattasaur
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"Re(10):KoF 2002 Gushing Praise thread :biggri" , posted Tue 27 Aug 06:07

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She looks drowsy also...she looked better in her smaller order select pic.

She looks like she has hayfever or some kinda cold. Or perhaps she's cosplaying as Rudolf the red nosed Reindeer :)

All joking aside, I did like the art style in KOF2k and KOF2k1 :)

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