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| Gen 518th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Experts??= copy and paste syndrome"
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nice to finally see some tournaments. the combo vids that pop up are impressive, but i wanna see some competitive play
that's true..I admit that I wouldn't have the time or patience to learn great combos like these(well,with Iori&K' I propably would ) but the players seem to play by just remembering the specific combos and attacks rather than concentrate on what's going in on the screen..the result you get is the most cheesy combos I've ever witnessed..When I play with my friends(one of them in particular) the fights are almost always competitive and the result is fun instead of just emotionless button combinations...it's just not the same...(I wish there was held a sf3rd strike or ssIV-or any beat'em up tournament somewhere in my country...)
I agree. Man, these vids are nothing spectacular...You see tons of May-Lee and Foxy around, add irriating Kensou and/or Hinako and you've got yourself a team which you could have probably win 90% of the time.
Of course, in a tournmant you wouldn't be expecting lower tier characters, but shouldn't the players show more confidence in themselves by using the midder tier characters like Angel, Vanessa, Mai....? Poking/doing infinites does not equate to competitive playing...
And someone spell C-H-E-A-P to the crowd? They go wild whenever Hinako excutes her cheap combo....unbelievable...O_o
*eyes hurt from the shakey video* 
I also agree.
I think many players play like AI's with connections to gamefaqs.com if you know what I mean.
...Then there's those who when they win, they can't wait to spout out an ugly, unfunny one-liner. But when they loose they're ego is so brused it's amazing. This happened a lot a while back when I used to play Kaillera or Battlenet.
Or conversely when they loose they bitch and bitch and bitch to no end and call you a homosexual and accuse you of cheating and hacking, etc. Another somewhat irritating thing is people who always have to win the last game in a serries, and then run off with their little win- this is usually just additional irritation after they were being a bitch by throughing insults or something before. (if the player hadn't done anything else irritating before then this probably wouldn't be that noticable.)
to end on a happy note:
Come on let's play these games for fun! They are games!
I acknowledge that using combos can be necessary if you're trying to win tourneys...
I'm just saying don't care so much about win or loose a videgame that you have to insult people and so forth, and don't intangle your ego so much in a video game....you know what I mean. Maybe such people need, atleast, a long break from video games.
and back to the main point, I think a lot of people stich toghether their game play styles too much, again if you get what I'm saying
Happy gaming!
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| "Re(2):Experts??" , posted Mon 19 Aug 21:19
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nice to finally see some tournaments. the combo vids that pop up are impressive, but i wanna see some competitive play
that's true..I admit that I wouldn't have the time or patience to learn great combos like these(well,with Iori&K' I propably would) but the players seem to play by just remembering the specific combos and attacks rather than concentrate on what's going in on the screen..the result you get is the most cheesy combos I've ever witnessed..When I play with my friends(one of them in particular) the fights are almost always competitive and the result is fun instead of just emotionless button combinations...it's just not the same...(I wish there was held a sf3rd strike or ssIV-or any beat'em up tournament somewhere in my country...)
I agree. Man, these vids are nothing spectacular...You see tons of May-Lee and Foxy around, add irriating Kensou and/or Hinako and you've got yourself a team which you could have probably win 90% of the time.
Of course, in a tournmant you wouldn't be expecting lower tier characters, but shouldn't the players show more confidence in themselves by using the midder tier characters like Angel, Vanessa, Mai....? Poking/doing infinites does not equate to competitive playing...
And someone spell C-H-E-A-P to the crowd? They go wild whenever Hinako excutes her cheap combo....unbelievable...O_o
*eyes hurt from the shakey video*
I also agree.
I think many players play like AI's with connections to gamefaqs.com if you know what I mean.
Yeah man... it was... erm... boring! Over here we don't do such stuff... if someone does a infinity, he will mostly stop it after two repeats of it, giving his opponent some fight chance... no point repeatedly do the same old combo... What is the challage if you do so anyway? Hate such people who call themselves experts just because they can lock you in an infinity. I rather a competition where players actually use normal combos and try to counter them... that would be more of a game
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| Gen 518th Post
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| "Re(3):game directions" , posted Mon 19 Aug 21:54
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Yeah man... it was... erm... boring! Over here we don't do such stuff... if someone does a infinity, he will mostly stop it after two repeats of it, giving his opponent some fight chance... no point repeatedly do the same old combo... What is the challage if you do so anyway? Hate such people who call themselves experts just because they can lock you in an infinity. I rather a competition where players actually use normal combos and try to counter them... that would be more of a game
I'm with you. The few infinites I know of, I wouldn't use them to drain most of the opponents life bar from early in the match to defeat; I'd use part of them or not loop them so much that the other person has no chance to play.
With infinites it can comes down to who can start their combo first.
Yes, one solution would be the game design allowing you to block, dodge, counter, or do something to a combo in action. I would like KoF to have more of this. Another solution is programing in a limitation to prevent super long combos that the player can't defend him or her self from once they have started.
Sure doing combos can be kind of fun, but I think the game play many newer games is too combo oriented.
I used to be in the arcade and see that ridiculous Killer Instinct game yelling ULTRA COMBO, and think it was silly. Then I'd be beating people at KOF without using the infinite combo of Iori's I had figured out. Actually I just used short combos occasionally.
About infinites- I think the early designers would have taken them out if they knew about them, but probably players found them out later after the games' release. A lot of combos from a bit earlier era games seem to be based on taking advantages of little errors or bugs in the game play program. What I believe happened next: the game designers found out about some of these bugs, but they kept some of them around. When designing the next game engine they decided to leave many of them in and even expand on them allowing for longer combos. My suggestion: I know it would be time consuming but it would be great if say KoF for example had a redesign of the game engine from scratch each year. Maintain the feel of the game if you want, but treat errors in previous games like errors. Along with this, redraw all sprites!
here's where I go off on a tangent
On a related note, I also think that a few of my favorite games have started to borrow from the fans a lot - I almost think I see things from some fan fictions and doujinshis starting to show up back in the game. Maybe this isn't a game design crime, but I'd suggest to the designers that they build a plan of their own and go with it for a few games; the run of a game and the planned ahead sequels. Of course they can make changes to their plan along the way. Now sure, it's ok for them to take suggestions from fans. It's my opinion however that a fandom-based mind set and approach to making any type of fiction won't make for the strongest product. To show you what I mean, ....what if say, Arthur C. Clark had let usenet fan fiction seep into his novels? Such a mind set is not terrible, it might get good or interesting works, but great works would be improbable to create with such a mind set.
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| Time Mage 771th Post
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| "Poking" , posted Tue 20 Aug 03:54
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vocabulary question : what is poking?
Poking: The "art" of throw attacks (normals, usually), in a ground-based scenario, in order to hit your enemy's own attack or movement.
KOF examples: Annoying far B of Goro, Annoying far B of Terry (specially in '97), K9999's towards + A.
SF examples: Infamous Sagat's down + HP in CvS2, Cammy's far HK...
Poking patterns are safe succesions of pokes thet do not necesarily combo, but are relatively safe if blocked; Example: Cammy close HP, close HP, far HK. Remy's down + MP, down + MP...
I hope you get the idea...
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| Iggy 464th Post
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| "Re(1):Poking" , posted Tue 20 Aug 04:01:
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Poking: The "art" of throw attacks (normals, usually), in a ground-based scenario, in order to hit your enemy's own attack or movement.
KOF examples: Annoying far B of Goro, Annoying far B of Terry (specially in '97), K9999's towards + A.
SF examples: Infamous Sagat's down + HP in CvS2, Cammy's far HK...
Poking patterns are safe succesions of pokes thet do not necesarily combo, but are relatively safe if blocked; Example: Cammy close HP, close HP, far HK. Remy's down + MP, down + MP...
I hope you get the idea...
Thanks for the explanation!!
In other words, it's only a luck thing, you do anything and you hope the opponent will be hit?
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| TheBeast 883th Post
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| "Re(2):Poking" , posted Tue 20 Aug 04:28
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Poking: The "art" of throw attacks (normals, usually), in a ground-based scenario, in order to hit your enemy's own attack or movement.
KOF examples: Annoying far B of Goro, Annoying far B of Terry (specially in '97), K9999's towards + A.
SF examples: Infamous Sagat's down + HP in CvS2, Cammy's far HK...
Poking patterns are safe succesions of pokes thet do not necesarily combo, but are relatively safe if blocked; Example: Cammy close HP, close HP, far HK. Remy's down + MP, down + MP...
I hope you get the idea...
Thanks for the explanation!!
In other words, it's only a luck thing, you do anything and you hope the opponent will be hit?
No, its not really a luck thing. It is an offensive strategy where you attack your opponents, keeping them at bay (to prevent them from getting offensive) and they can't really counter-attack you safely without getting hit.
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| Time Mage 773th Post
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| "Re(3):Poking" , posted Tue 20 Aug 06:33
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No, its not really a luck thing. It is an offensive strategy where you attack your opponents, keeping them at bay (to prevent them from getting offensive) and they can't really counter-attack you safely without getting hit.
Yes, it's exactly that. You choose the correct attack at the correct moment, in order to beat the other's attack.
In the Goro case, I would do few far standing B's, then when I thought my opponent is gonna try a jump, to catch me throwing a B, I would use a D, that hits high and is a very good anti-jump and early antiair. Also, if they didn't jump, it's safe, provided you are far enough.
It's a question of intuition and knowing what attacks are best in each moment.
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| Gen 524th Post
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| "Re(2):Winning?" , posted Tue 20 Aug 13:30
emeraldazn: yeah I get it, it can be hard to perform those long combos. That arguement is that such combos are hard to do so that balances out how powerful they are. I'm not trying to insult those players or anything. What I'm saying is the game designer should she see something like one of the videos posted above, should recognize that it's a problem and fix it in the next game, either by not having that particular infinate or by putting in something that lets people escape long combinations,etc.
Also like what TheBeast said.
Iggy: What is poking > It's jargon popular on the 'net or 'net BBSes where fighting games are discussed. Heres a bit of how I've heard it used.
It means doing single/little hits. If you do AAAAA for punch punch punch etc then it's a combo, but it could still be considered poking. If someone was doing a mid to large combo with special moves then they wouldn't be poking, except for maybe the begining with just punches or kicks that start the combo.
If someone's just using punch and kick, someone might say they are "just poking". I've seen guys who know lots of combos play beginers who don't know any, and they complain "they don't use any combos. It's just poke poke poke poke poke"
Some one might be using "pokes" because they are safe and to keep the opponent at a sertain distance, but when I hear just the word "poking" it doesn't suggest a strategy, just suggests that they are doing little attacks.
s-t-e: what the hell is your tag? Why are those four together and...dancing? heheh
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