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| TheBeast 796th Post
 
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|  "CVS2 - Scrub player?"
, posted Fri 9 Aug 11:51
OK, this incident happened today when I was happily playing CVS2 with the com in an arcade when a challenger came along. He used a K-groove Ratio4 Haohmaru player. He had this unusual (not to mention frustating) tactic that wiped the floor with me and my pathetic playing.
What he did was, at the beginning of the match he would try to give you a strong slash somehow, and if he succeeded in doing so he would play defensive from that point on. I never realised that Haohmaru had a strong anti-air slah, and had such great air priority that I could never get close to him. Even if I do, he could "Just Defense" my attacks pretty accurately and attack me with his sword jabs and slashes. If somehow I get his power meter to MAX, he will charge at me like Armour mode of KOF...and 1 slash of a MAX slash causes much WAYYyy more damage than I expected. One other problem is that I don't get much chances to build up my power meter since he jus stood there, waiting for me to roll (poking me with his jabs), or tries to win air priority battles.
URGH it is maddening to lose to someone that plays so defensively!!! I can't think of any good stategy to win against such a player!!! 
P.S. OK probably I don't play well in CVS2 so I don't think I have the right to call others a "scrub player", but the thought of losing to such a player is quite frustrating...
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| Ferrio
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| "Re(1):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Fri 9 Aug 12:56:
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OK, this incident happened today when I was happily playing CVS2 with the com in an arcade when a challenger came along. He used a K-groove Ratio4 Haohmaru player. He had this unusual (not to mention frustating) tactic that wiped the floor with me and my pathetic playing.
What he did was, at the beginning of the match he would try to give you a strong slash somehow, and if he succeeded in doing so he would play defensive from that point on. I never realised that Haohmaru had a strong anti-air slah, and had such great air priority that I could never get close to him. Even if I do, he could "Just Defense" my attacks pretty accurately and attack me with his sword jabs and slashes. If somehow I get his power meter to MAX, he will charge at me like Armour mode of KOF...and 1 slash of a MAX slash causes much WAYYyy more damage than I expected. One other problem is that I don't get much chances to build up my power meter since he jus stood there, waiting for me to roll (poking me with his jabs), or tries to win air priority battles.
URGH it is maddening to lose to someone that plays so defensively!!! I can't think of any good stategy to win against such a player!!!
P.S. OK probably I don't play well in CVS2 so I don't think I have the right to call others a "scrub player", but the thought of losing to such a player is quite frustrating...
Using a K groove Haohmaru is a tactic used by scrubs against scrubs. Take that how you will.
In any case, what characters were you using?
[this message was edited by Ferrio on Fri 9 Aug 12:57] |
| Hungrywolf 1339th Post
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| "Re(1):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Fri 9 Aug 12:58
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OK, this incident happened today when I was happily playing CVS2 with the com in an arcade when a challenger came along. He used a K-groove Ratio4 Haohmaru player. He had this unusual (not to mention frustating) tactic that wiped the floor with me and my pathetic playing.
What he did was, at the beginning of the match he would try to give you a strong slash somehow, and if he succeeded in doing so he would play defensive from that point on. I never realised that Haohmaru had a strong anti-air slah, and had such great air priority that I could never get close to him. Even if I do, he could "Just Defense" my attacks pretty accurately and attack me with his sword jabs and slashes. If somehow I get his power meter to MAX, he will charge at me like Armour mode of KOF...and 1 slash of a MAX slash causes much WAYYyy more damage than I expected. One other problem is that I don't get much chances to build up my power meter since he jus stood there, waiting for me to roll (poking me with his jabs), or tries to win air priority battles.
URGH it is maddening to lose to someone that plays so defensively!!! I can't think of any good stategy to win against such a player!!!
P.S. OK probably I don't play well in CVS2 so I don't think I have the right to call others a "scrub player", but the thought of losing to such a player is quite frustrating...
I understand. Haohmaru has an incredibly strong strong slash attack, which other players have used against me before (but they weren't so defensive, they played "fairly" and so I respect them). This guy does sound kinda lame though. I like people who fight, not who turtle. I'm very offensive as a player usually, but I've toned it to where I'm in the middle of offensive and defensive (because being so offensive got me beat way too much). I can't really give you a good way to beat him, other than a well placed Power Geyser (but then again I usually always have Terry on my team) or Nakoruru is prob. good against Haohmaru.
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| Time Mage 748th Post
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| "Re(1):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Fri 9 Aug 16:26
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OK, this incident happened today when I was happily playing CVS2 with the com in an arcade when a challenger came along. He used a K-groove Ratio4 Haohmaru player. He had this unusual (not to mention frustating) tactic that wiped the floor with me and my pathetic playing.
What he did was, at the beginning of the match he would try to give you a strong slash somehow, and if he succeeded in doing so he would play defensive from that point on. I never realised that Haohmaru had a strong anti-air slah, and had such great air priority that I could never get close to him. Even if I do, he could "Just Defense" my attacks pretty accurately and attack me with his sword jabs and slashes. If somehow I get his power meter to MAX, he will charge at me like Armour mode of KOF...and 1 slash of a MAX slash causes much WAYYyy more damage than I expected. One other problem is that I don't get much chances to build up my power meter since he jus stood there, waiting for me to roll (poking me with his jabs), or tries to win air priority battles.
URGH it is maddening to lose to someone that plays so defensively!!! I can't think of any good stategy to win against such a player!!!
P.S. OK probably I don't play well in CVS2 so I don't think I have the right to call others a "scrub player", but the thought of losing to such a player is quite frustrating...
Hmmm... K-Haohmaru R4 can be scary, but if you play well your cards, he's not that difficult. You can do two things:
a)The Be-in-his-face strategy. Haoh is somewhat slow, so pressuring him a lot with tons of jabs and shorts (or quick moves in general), and short jumping (if avaiable) around him should be a good strategy.
b)TURTLE. Specially, if you have someone with good fireballs and a decent uppercut (shotos, Ryo, Morrigan...), that's a good strategy.
The trick with both strategies is wear down his life slowly but continuously, and, try to end the matches as late as possible (he will kill eventually one or two of your chars), so he won't regain much life.
I personally use strat a), mainly because my C Groove Vega, Cammy, R2 Kim is more suited to it.
I hope this helps!
By the way: What's your team/teams??
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| ninjabastard 620th Post
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| "Re(1):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Fri 9 Aug 19:04:
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OK, this incident happened today when I was happily playing CVS2 with the com in an arcade when a challenger came along. He used a K-groove Ratio4 Haohmaru player. He had this unusual (not to mention frustating) tactic that wiped the floor with me and my pathetic playing.
What he did was, at the beginning of the match he would try to give you a strong slash somehow, and if he succeeded in doing so he would play defensive from that point on. I never realised that Haohmaru had a strong anti-air slah, and had such great air priority that I could never get close to him. Even if I do, he could "Just Defense" my attacks pretty accurately and attack me with his sword jabs and slashes. If somehow I get his power meter to MAX, he will charge at me like Armour mode of KOF...and 1 slash of a MAX slash causes much WAYYyy more damage than I expected. One other problem is that I don't get much chances to build up my power meter since he jus stood there, waiting for me to roll (poking me with his jabs), or tries to win air priority battles.
URGH it is maddening to lose to someone that plays so defensively!!! I can't think of any good stategy to win against such a player!!!
P.S. OK probably I don't play well in CVS2 so I don't think I have the right to call others a "scrub player", but the thought of losing to such a player is quite frustrating...
The best way to beat Hao is to get rush him down. He has good reach and proity but he is kinda slow. And since he's turtling throw. Throw a lot. Throwing is an anti-turtle tactic. Run in crouch jab, stand up and throw, jump in throw, and roll in throw.
Don't be obvious about rolling. It's a free hit with anyone. You must be also be pretty obvious when you jump in. If you have a low jump groove use it. If you have a jd/parry do a regular jump in and jd/parry if you're good enough.
Timemage: You can't just throw fireballs all day. That will get your ass kicked in CvS. Rolling,parrying and just defending stop fireballs. The way you turtle in CvS. Is to get someone like Blanka,Vega(Claw), or some other long reach character(Hao) and poke intill guard breaks.
[this message was edited by ninjabastard on Fri 9 Aug 19:07] |
| TheBeast 797th Post
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| "Thanks guys!" , posted Sat 10 Aug 02:01
Hey thanks a lot for all the advice given guys!!! Hope I will feel more confidence with all the strategies in mind when facing such a K-groove R4 Hao next time.
The guy can just defense his way out of many attacks accurately, and I suppose that is what of the little admiration I had of him. My R2 blanka had done some damage on him, but not enough to K.O. I don't use Zangief or Honda effectively too...I don't have a fixed team but uses an array of fighters to form a team depending on my mood...Rock, Vega, Barlog, Terry, Ryo, Ryu, Blanka, Mai are my usuals...
I used to see a K-groove R4 Hibuki too...she just turtle waiting for u to get close to light kicks combo or strong punch for an anti-air slash...but she was less annoying as she does much little damage and if you have inflicted quite a fair bit of damage in your previous rounds, then she will get despearate to avoid a timeout and starts to attack, which isn't quite Hibuki's forte. Hao is a strong offensive player and does too much damage, and being a turtle Hao, is irriating!
But thanks again guys! I know I can rely on you...^_^
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 721th Post
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|  "NOOOOooooooooooooo DONT!!!"
, posted Sat 10 Aug 02:04:
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Man, I'd love to introduce him to my ratio 4 Zangief or E. Honda.
Yep... I find Zangief to be the " anti-Haohmaru "..
K Groove R4 Zangief= total power.
R4= bad choice. Even if you got a really good whatever. You got a lot less life compared to a 3 person team. Because of that, you have to beat each character fast. The only thing you got going for you is power. But if a ratio 1 just goes off and does a good amout of damage on you and wastes a lot of time. The next round you're at disadvantage. You have less life and you have to worry about a time over win. Also Zangief isn't that good in this game. I would recommend pretty much any character in the upper mid tier to top tier against Haomaru. He isn't that good. Just pick Sagat and see why he's top tier.
i seriously recommend you don't use a top tier (mainly Sagat and Blanka) for the love of humanity. EVERY fking time i go to the arcade, i fight Sagat or Blanka over and over and over again, and it's so god damn annoying. everyone has their team. it's Ryu, Sagat, and Blanka. or Kim, Sagat, and Blanka. or Gouki, Sagat, and Blanka. and everyone has their own color for Blanka -- there's the all-favorite dark blanka, there's red blanka, the blue blanka. you've fought one fight, you've fought them all
sure, try them out and see why they're top tiers, but i wouldn't recommend using it against that guy unless it's a last resort. show them your skill and choose a character nobody uses and pound them into the ground! easier said than done, but you know what i mean
oh ya, and against Haohmaru? poor guy is so slow. (again, easier said than done) once he's open, charge at his ass and don't get off. i've been destroyed this way (playing as Haohmaru) dozens of times
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oh, Blanka's part of your team? go ahead and use him if you like him for him, and not for being a top tier. i used to use Blanka and Sagat regularly till i faced this crap. now i boycott them in this game
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[this message was edited by Juke Joint Jezebel on Sat 10 Aug 02:27] |
| ninjabastard 623th Post
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| "calm down man" , posted Sat 10 Aug 02:26:
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Man, I'd love to introduce him to my ratio 4 Zangief or E. Honda.
Yep... I find Zangief to be the " anti-Haohmaru "..
K Groove R4 Zangief= total power.
R4= bad choice. Even if you got a really good whatever. You got a lot less life compared to a 3 person team. Because of that, you have to beat each character fast. The only thing you got going for you is power. But if a ratio 1 just goes off and does a good amout of damage on you and wastes a lot of time. The next round you're at disadvantage. You have less life and you have to worry about a time over win. Also Zangief isn't that good in this game. I would recommend pretty much any character in the upper mid tier to top tier against Haomaru. He isn't that good. Just pick Sagat and see why he's top tier.
i seriously recommend you don't use a top tier (mainly Sagat and Blanka) for the love of humanity. EVERY fking time i go to the arcade, i fight Sagat or Blanka over and over and over again, and it's so god damn annoying. everyone has their team. it's Ryu, Sagat, and Blanka. or Kim, Sagat, and Blanka. or Gouki, Sagat, and Blanka. and everyone has their own color for Blanka -- there's the all-favorite dark blanka, there's red blanka, the blue blanka. you've fought one fight, you've fought them all
sure, try them out and see why they're top tiers, but i wouldn't recommend using it against that guy unless it's a last resort. show them your skill and choose a character nobody uses and pound them into the ground! easier said than done, but you know what i mean
oh ya, and against Haohmaru? poor guy is so slow. (again, easier said than done) once he's open, charge at his ass and don't get off. i've been destroyed this way (playing as Haohmaru) dozens of times
I don't like using top tiers that much either. My teams are randomly put together too. I use K groove mostky because I am very good at just defending. My characters are Kyo(always in my team as R2. He's my best character. With him, I do fine against the Sagats.), Ryu, Vega(claw), Rock(I love Rock's tricks, they fuck even with good players.), Rolento, Cammy, and rarly Sagat(I mean like almost never). If I use N groove(once in a while. Usually against A) All the same characters plus Yamazaki,Iori.
Can't stress this enough. Against jd/parry'ers throw. Make sure use the fact they can't roll against them. And if you want to be a real ass, use A groove.
Edit: he's a quick rundown on tiers. (wait 2 days and we can see if tiers change after evolution.)
Top: Sagat, Blanka
Middle: everyone else
Bottom: Dan, Kyosuke
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| Time Mage 750th Post
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| "Re(2):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Sat 10 Aug 03:30
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Timemage: You can't just throw fireballs all day. That will get your ass kicked in CvS. Rolling,parrying and just defending stop fireballs. The way you turtle in CvS. Is to get someone like Blanka,Vega(Claw), or some other long reach character(Hao) and poke intill guard breaks.
Yeah, that wasn't a very brilliant advice from my part, scratch that one! I'm accostumed to play some friends that fall to that tactic, but as you said, it's easy to avoid. I don't use fireballers that much, either.
And, having read that the guy just defended very good, the advice just turn stupid. Sorry. That happens when you advice people at 2 am.
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| Ferrio
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| "Re(1):calm down man" , posted Sat 10 Aug 03:30:
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Top: Sagat, Blanka
Middle: everyone else
Bottom: Dan, Kyosuke
Top: Sagat, Blanka, Cammy
High Mid: A groove Vega(bison), A groove Sakura, Balrog(Vega), Yamazaki, Geese, Chun li.
Middle: Lots of people
Bottom: Maki, Kyosuke
Personally my favorite team (power wise) is N groove Cammy, Sagat (2), Geese
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| Lovecraft13
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| "Re(6):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Sat 10 Aug 17:23
My team run downs:
RATIO 4's (N groove)
1) Zangief
2) E. Honda
3) Blanka
4) Yamazaki
Outside single character teams:
1) Zangief, Rolento, E. Honda
2) Blanka, Dhalsim, Yamazaki
3) Balrog, Guile, Cammy
People I refuse to play:
1) Ryu
2) Ken
3) Akuma
4) Sagat
5) Kyo
6) Iori
7) Rugal
Team I would be playing like a fiend if they weren't so watered down from CvS:
1) Chun-Li, M. Bison, and Geese Howard--
CvS' Alpha Chun-Li, M. Bison, and EX's Geese Howard were all of my tournament players. I cannot stand the SF3 Chun-Li of CvS2 and the normal version of Geese Howard. I also cannot stand playing the M. Bison of CvS2. I just don't like his feel.
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| ninjabastard 623th Post
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| "Re(8):CVS2 - Scrub player?" , posted Sat 10 Aug 20:19
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Team I would be playing like a fiend if they weren't so watered down from CvS:
1) Chun-Li, M. Bison, and Geese Howard--
CvS' Alpha Chun-Li, M. Bison, and EX's Geese Howard were all of my tournament players. I cannot stand the SF3 Chun-Li of CvS2 and the normal version of Geese Howard. I also cannot stand playing the M. Bison of CvS2. I just don't like his feel.
You are missing a lot of fun by not playing Chun Li. It took me about two months to finally understand how Chun Li plays in CvS2, and she is really fun to play. She is not linear at all like in SF3 but you cannot use the same tactics as in SF2 or Alpha. Gameplay wise she is an all-new Chun Li, and she is a bag full of tricks too! Believe me :)
My team is Chun Li 2/Morrigan/Mai BTW
I recommend Chun Li also. I don't play her, but I have played against her. she is a good character. Abuse the fucking jab.
Ferrio: That's for writting a better tier list. Because I really didn't want to go into high-mid and low-top. I still think that Cammy isn't top tier. She takes too much damage. If it wasn't for that she would be top. But she's still fucking good.
Lovecraft: Do what you want man. But from my and others' experinces with R4's has been bad. Duc Do played a R4 Blanka and got beat badly. That's the last time I saw him play a R4. R4 is just too risky. You have to do damage, and minimize the damage you take. Like I said if one R1 does a like half damage to you, you're fucked.
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