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| TheBeast 685th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):KOF2002!!!!!!!!!"
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35 characters... I hope there are more. But what characters except the Orochi characters can they add really? More or less everyone is in KoF2001 already and they won't create new characters for a dream match.
Precisely...If you add Billy, Geese, Yamazaki, Wolfgang Krasuer, Mr Big, Jhun, Kasumi, orochi members, Rugal, Jhun, Saisyu etc to the 40 from KOF2001, it still doesn't tally to "35 to 40".
I am hoping that the new system will be interesting. That's all I can ask.
EDIT: 35 to 40?? Dream match?? New system?? Can we see a 5 vs 5 match-up come true...hahaha...
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| Dr Baghead 1301th Post
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| "Question..." , posted Sat 27 Jul 11:58
Does it mean 35 to 40 characters in addition to KoF2k1's cast? or 35 to 40 character period? Because going by what KoF 98 has taught us the following characters are most likely in:
K', Maxima, Whip, Lin, Kyo, Benimaru, Goro, Shingo, Iori, Vanessa, Seth, Ramon, Leona, Ralf, Clark, Heidern, Terry, Andy, Joe, Mary, Ryo, Robert, Yuri, Takuma, King, Mai, Hinako, Xiangfei, Kula, Foxy, K9999, Angel, Athena, Kensou, Chin, Bao, Kim, Chang, Choi, May Lee
Count that up and what do we get?
40 characters.
Given it's a "dreammatch" it's likely the winning 3 characters will from the poll will take the place of 3 leaving ones. (and once again if KoF98 taught us anything those 3 will be the sports team)
Bosses probably won't be Orginal Zero and Igniz, as KoF98 didn't feature Orochi... expect to see Krizalid return
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| Fro Boy11 687th Post
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| "Re(2):KOF2002!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 27 Jul 13:47
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It has to start anyway, so I will kick the ball rolling...
First thing....Dream match? What about the story of the Dragon Spirit? It is still hanging in the air? What will become of Bao? (Not that anyone cares...)
Second thing...Only 40 characters and it is a dream match? KOF98 has 38 + 12, bearing in mind that from 99 to 2001 there are at least 10 new charaters...
I have a feeling people are going to be disappointed with a small crew as a dream match. I am one.
EDIT P.S.: Oh yeah professor, you didn't update the site with gaming news for more than a week, and you surprised us with this. Once again I had to hand it to you for your speedy report on KOF! Fastest on the Internet!! As T.E. will say, "SWEET!" 
A cart of 700 MegaBits seems little ...
Yeah, sure does, I just read at GameFAQs that KOF2001 was over 800 MegaBits. Well, there will be either less characters, or they'll be taking some out, or they'll bring back some old characters that won't be redrawn, or won't have new animations added.
*Waiting to see '96 Geese sprite/animation instead of KOF2000 striker Geese sprite/animation*
I SERIOUSLY think that Geese will make it into this game.
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| Fro Boy11 689th Post
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| "Re(5):KOF2002!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 27 Jul 14:26
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So we can imagine that:
-Omega Kizalid will be the final boss.
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LOOOOOOOOL
I don't care if they put a 1000 chatacrat or only 6 all I want is a good game play , please remove the dam striker system,I want a game like KOF98 pure KOF style.
I wish to see the sports team back also Shermi and Yashiro ,Juhn is cool too, I wish to see NEW charactars entering the KOF world like Hon-fu last blade charactars and Samurai charactars this is a dream match aftet all!
I do like the '98 style, but that's been done before. They wanna put in something old, but I bet it'll be the 99-2k, and 2k1 gameplay styles like '98 had the '96 and '97 gameplay styles. New characters would be decent, but not brand new characters, they should wait for KOF 2003 for that. They should bring in old characters that have never been in a KOF game before like Duck King and Rick Strowd or something. I know that this'll be a dream match, but having Samurai Showdown and Last Blade characters in it is taking it a bit too far, then again, I never thought I'd soon be playing KOF 2000 with a Samurai Showdown background on it.
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| Ishmael
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| "Re(1):Question..." , posted Sat 27 Jul 15:14
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Does it mean 35 to 40 characters in addition to KoF2k1's cast? or 35 to 40 character period? Because going by what KoF 98 has taught us the following characters are most likely in:
K', Maxima, Whip, Lin, Kyo, Benimaru, Goro, Shingo, Iori, Vanessa, Seth, Ramon, Leona, Ralf, Clark, Heidern, Terry, Andy, Joe, Mary, Ryo, Robert, Yuri, Takuma, King, Mai, Hinako, Xiangfei, Kula, Foxy, K9999, Angel, Athena, Kensou, Chin, Bao, Kim, Chang, Choi, May Lee
Count that up and what do we get?
40 characters.
Given it's a "dreammatch" it's likely the winning 3 characters will from the poll will take the place of 3 leaving ones. (and once again if KoF98 taught us anything those 3 will be the sports team)
Bosses probably won't be Orginal Zero and Igniz, as KoF98 didn't feature Orochi... expect to see Krizalid return
You're right, that character selection does add up. Does this mean that there aren't going to be any new characters added? I suspect they will scrape up enough old characters to form one new team [since the characters would probably have no reason to be together they could be referred to as the "Dream Team" or something] but I somehow doubt KoF02 is going to have a huge roster of "new" characters or anything radical move changes in the returning cast. Eh, I guess we'll have to wait until next month to find out for sure.
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| YeldellGW
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| "Re(7):KOF2002!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 27 Jul 17:10
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My mistake, just read it. Oh, well... shows how unoriginal and lazy Playmore and Eolith are; I guess I'll rant about Dream Matches for a little while.
Dream Match = They're out of storyline ideas for the moment, and they're too lazy and stupid to try harder. It's also a chance to recycle a lot of old stuff, maybe even backgrounds, and get away with it. Ooh, man.
LOL! That would explain why we have 5 SF II, 2 Vampire, and 2 SF III games that uses all (In SF III's case, most.) of the old stages and remixes of old themes.
Though, I wouldn't call any of those titles a dreammatch (Least of all SF II.).
Someone really needs to get off the upgrade wagon.
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| justicekyo
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| "Re(5):nothing's not stop it, it's 2002!(yeah," , posted Sat 27 Jul 21:42
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They should take a break and realunch KOF in a newer hardware reprogrammed from zero. C'mon, every Tekken (and Namco games in general) is remade from scratch, it shouldn't be too hard. Better animation, better resolution (please) and easier to port.
And put B Jenet in there! 
Agree. I don't know, but I feel that the reason they gave for not using a new board is because MVS is the cheapest. Using other boards would be a high investment for them. Come on, do they know how many KOF players are there in the whole world????? It is really high time they move on to a better board that could last them for years to come, rather than rely on a board that is long overdue.
Really crap if you ask me. Do these people really know their stuff??
MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
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| Fro Boy11 694th Post
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| "Re(6):nothing's not stop it, it's 2002!(yeah," , posted Sat 27 Jul 22:02
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They should take a break and realunch KOF in a newer hardware reprogrammed from zero. C'mon, every Tekken (and Namco games in general) is remade from scratch, it shouldn't be too hard. Better animation, better resolution (please) and easier to port.
And put B Jenet in there!
Agree. I don't know, but I feel that the reason they gave for not using a new board is because MVS is the cheapest. Using other boards would be a high investment for them. Come on, do they know how many KOF players are there in the whole world????? It is really high time they move on to a better board that could last them for years to come, rather than rely on a board that is long overdue.
Really crap if you ask me. Do these people really know their stuff??
MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
I think they're afraid to move from the MVS to another board. SNK has A LOT of hardcore fans and they understand about the gameplay over graphics and stuff like that, but I think if they did go to, let's say NAOMI, I guess they would think that they sold out they're fans somehow, and they wouldn't buy the product. That's just how I think SNK/Playmore might just feel about it, besides the fact that it will cost a little more.
My opinion is, however it has to be done, get it done. If they moved to another, more powerful, board they could fit more characters and more options and modes for gameplay. It may cost a bit more, but it's better for the company, better for the games, and most importantly, better for the fans.
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| justicekyo
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| "Re(7):nothing's not stop it, it's 2002!(yeah," , posted Sat 27 Jul 22:06
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They should take a break and realunch KOF in a newer hardware reprogrammed from zero. C'mon, every Tekken (and Namco games in general) is remade from scratch, it shouldn't be too hard. Better animation, better resolution (please) and easier to port.
And put B Jenet in there!
Agree. I don't know, but I feel that the reason they gave for not using a new board is because MVS is the cheapest. Using other boards would be a high investment for them. Come on, do they know how many KOF players are there in the whole world????? It is really high time they move on to a better board that could last them for years to come, rather than rely on a board that is long overdue.
Really crap if you ask me. Do these people really know their stuff??
MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
I think they're afraid to move from the MVS to another board. SNK has A LOT of hardcore fans and they understand about the gameplay over graphics and stuff like that, but I think if they did go to, let's say NAOMI, I guess they would think that they sold out they're fans somehow, and they wouldn't buy the product. That's just how I think SNK/Playmore might just feel about it, besides the fact that it will cost a little more.
My opinion is, however it has to be done, get it done. If they moved to another, more powerful, board they could fit more characters and more options and modes for gameplay. It may cost a bit more, but it's better for the company, better for the games, and most importantly, better for the fans.
it doesnt need a major boost in GFX.... they could always use '99 style GFX upgrades.
and besides, with the cheaper price tag, more fans could afford to buy a home port. instead of paying the $299+ tag.
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| exodus
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| "Re(7):nothing's not stop it, it's 2002!(yeah," , posted Sun 28 Jul 00:49
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I think they're afraid to move from the MVS to another board. SNK has A LOT of hardcore fans and they understand about the gameplay over graphics and stuff like that, but I think if they did go to, let's say NAOMI, I guess they would think that they sold out they're fans somehow, and they wouldn't buy the product. That's just how I think SNK/Playmore might just feel about it, besides the fact that it will cost a little more.
My opinion is, however it has to be done, get it done. If they moved to another, more powerful, board they could fit more characters and more options and modes for gameplay. It may cost a bit more, but it's better for the company, better for the games, and most importantly, better for the fans.
they could just use the neogeo 64 board. It's got much better 2D capability and a higher resolution already...and they already know how to use the hardware. With this it's not much of a switch.
HOWEVER I will say this: the reason to not move to a new hardware is because then the arcade manufacturer has to buy a new system board as well as the game board. This is a leap of faith for an arcade owner, when buying from a company that just recently went bankrupt. I think they have to milk the MVS for another couple of years, and keep releasing to consoles, like they're doing now. They can't afford a big expendature at this point. Maybe a few years down the road, but they need to play it safe for the time being.
my 2 cents.
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| TheBeast 687th Post
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| "New board please!" , posted Sun 28 Jul 01:12
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MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
That is the precise reason why KOF will never progress in this way. KOF is already a household name to anyone who steps into an arcade, even if you never played the game, you know what is it about. Fighting games look forward to a new KOF than any kind of sequels in any other fighting games...Just look at the FAQs, discussions and interaction in the Internet and you will know...
I am not sure what Eolith and Playmore (or past SNK) is worried about moving on to a new board. They really lack that "leap of faith" as Exodous has put it...Sure, new boards, new ROMS, huge cash to be pumped. But investment don't come without risks - risks of losing MVS players and unable to break even with that investment. The fact the neogeo64 failed probably contributed to the fear of failing for KOF as well, since Samurai Shodown was a success in MVS. But what they didn't realise is that SS64 (and Buriki-one) are completely a heap of rubbish as fighting games. They do not have the expertise to create a 3D fighter, plus bad marketing efforts and all are what caused the failures.I am not sure what is the neogeo64 board supposed to do (are they supposed to create 3D fighters only??) but using it for KOF doesn't seem to a bad idea.
The bottomline is...The name KOF is already a money spinner by itself through its years of glory, but its glory wouldn't last too long. In probably 5 to 7 years to come, I suspect a new genre of game is going to uprise, like what pac-man is to the 80s, and fighting games is to the 90s. By that time, fighting games will be passe. I hope this is not the reason why they refuse to change to a new board, for the fear that the investment in a new board will probably not pay back itself in a few years. If it is so, then its a shame, coz KOF deserves that extra glory.
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| iggy 390th Post
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| "700 what?" , posted Sun 28 Jul 01:33:
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Yeah, sure does, I just read at GameFAQs that KOF2001 was over 800 MegaBits.
Sorry, stupid questions, but....
Can anyone give the MB of a few KOF, just to be able to compare? if possible KOF 98, 2000 (the another strikers...rrrrh), 2001? or Mark Of The Wolves?
And can someone clarify me the "Giga Power" that remplaced the "330 Mega Max" thing? If it's Giga Power, what game is more than a Giga?
Anyways, we shouldn't say much until we see more details about the characters and the systems in it. The only thing I would like to see (besides Shermie, Chizuru and MANY MANY MANY characters) would be something like Rugal in KOF 98 : some sort of a boss team with weak, playable versions of Krisalid or Zero (and Gulgan!)
or if there are teams of 4 characters, a weaker Goenitz (and more funny to play than "soko desu ka?" "soko desu ka?" "soko desu ka?") to go with the 3 other Orochies. And if they could.... no, no, I would better stop my wish list now.
A thing I fear is a "free" character select a la CvS2, without predone teams.... If it's 4 characters team, what will the American Sports Team do?
If it's 3, which psycho soldier/ Ikari/ Girl/ Ryuko/ Korean will leave?
Or they could do a simple 4 character team select screen, and everybody who doesn't fits in will go away. Good bye, Mature, Vice, Yamazaki, Juhn...
[this message was edited by iggy on Sun 28 Jul 04:32] |
| exodus
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| "Re(4):KOF2002!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 28 Jul 12:09
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On a side note, I DO like the way the KOF are now, but threy NEED to do something to appeal the mass market, like Capcom with CvS, Namco with Tekken/Soul Calibur and Tecmo with DoA. With games like kof2001 (with uninteresting graphics and sound) and Metal Slug 4 (just plain ugly and boring) I don't think that Playmore started in the correct way. Hardcore gamers aren't everything, proof of that is how the 2d arcade gaming scene is dissapearing in Japan and Korea.
but seriously what can they do with the fanbase and money they have??? They have to stick with what's worked in the past until they have enough money to make a decision like that. And if you htink about it, it's paying off so far...they sold almost 9,000 units of KOF 2k for the home system...moneywise that's like 45,000 units of a normal priced game. They can't help but play it safe. If they had enough money I'm sure every game would be made by Brezza and Playmore, maybe ADK and yumekobo would come back, etc. But right now they have to rely on small companies from korea...this says something about their financial situation.
but I will say that I liked 2k1, and I think Eolith did a decent job. I don't like strikers, but I just don't use them.
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| justicekyo
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| "Re(1):New board please!" , posted Sun 28 Jul 18:21
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MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
That is the precise reason why KOF will never progress in this way. KOF is already a household name to anyone who steps into an arcade, even if you never played the game, you know what is it about. Fighting games look forward to a new KOF than any kind of sequels in any other fighting games...Just look at the FAQs, discussions and interaction in the Internet and you will know...
I am not sure what Eolith and Playmore (or past SNK) is worried about moving on to a new board. They really lack that "leap of faith" as Exodous has put it...Sure, new boards, new ROMS, huge cash to be pumped. But investment don't come without risks - risks of losing MVS players and unable to break even with that investment. The fact the neogeo64 failed probably contributed to the fear of failing for KOF as well, since Samurai Shodown was a success in MVS. But what they didn't realise is that SS64 (and Buriki-one) are completely a heap of rubbish as fighting games. They do not have the expertise to create a 3D fighter, plus bad marketing efforts and all are what caused the failures.I am not sure what is the neogeo64 board supposed to do (are they supposed to create 3D fighters only??) but using it for KOF doesn't seem to a bad idea.
The bottomline is...The name KOF is already a money spinner by itself through its years of glory, but its glory wouldn't last too long. In probably 5 to 7 years to come, I suspect a new genre of game is going to uprise, like what pac-man is to the 80s, and fighting games is to the 90s. By that time, fighting games will be passe. I hope this is not the reason why they refuse to change to a new board, for the fear that the investment in a new board will probably not pay back itself in a few years. If it is so, then its a shame, coz KOF deserves that extra glory.
imho, the name "The King of Fighters", used to grace all in the realm of 2-d who touched it. as it stands now, the series doesnt have a general direction. and that's bad... it's dying.
if they dont do something soon, move boards, get better writters,planners... there will be nothing left, and saving the Neo-Geo would have been in vain.
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| TheBeast 690th Post
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| "Re(2):New board please!" , posted Sun 28 Jul 20:11
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MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
That is the precise reason why KOF will never progress in this way. KOF is already a household name to anyone who steps into an arcade, even if you never played the game, you know what is it about. Fighting games look forward to a new KOF than any kind of sequels in any other fighting games...Just look at the FAQs, discussions and interaction in the Internet and you will know...
I am not sure what Eolith and Playmore (or past SNK) is worried about moving on to a new board. They really lack that "leap of faith" as Exodous has put it...Sure, new boards, new ROMS, huge cash to be pumped. But investment don't come without risks - risks of losing MVS players and unable to break even with that investment. The fact the neogeo64 failed probably contributed to the fear of failing for KOF as well, since Samurai Shodown was a success in MVS. But what they didn't realise is that SS64 (and Buriki-one) are completely a heap of rubbish as fighting games. They do not have the expertise to create a 3D fighter, plus bad marketing efforts and all are what caused the failures.I am not sure what is the neogeo64 board supposed to do (are they supposed to create 3D fighters only??) but using it for KOF doesn't seem to a bad idea.
The bottomline is...The name KOF is already a money spinner by itself through its years of glory, but its glory wouldn't last too long. In probably 5 to 7 years to come, I suspect a new genre of game is going to uprise, like what pac-man is to the 80s, and fighting games is to the 90s. By that time, fighting games will be passe. I hope this is not the reason why they refuse to change to a new board, for the fear that the investment in a new board will probably not pay back itself in a few years. If it is so, then its a shame, coz KOF deserves that extra glory.
imho, the name "The King of Fighters", used to grace all in the realm of 2-d who touched it. as it stands now, the series doesnt have a general direction. and that's bad... it's dying.
if they dont do something soon, move boards, get better writters,planners... there will be nothing left, and saving the Neo-Geo would have been in vain.
Precisely my point. Its a real shame...
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| justicekyo
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Frequent Customer
| "Re(3):New board please!" , posted Sun 28 Jul 21:45
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MVS cheap?
beast, the more ROMS that are used, the more cash is needed....
that doesnt look cheap to me...
That is the precise reason why KOF will never progress in this way. KOF is already a household name to anyone who steps into an arcade, even if you never played the game, you know what is it about. Fighting games look forward to a new KOF than any kind of sequels in any other fighting games...Just look at the FAQs, discussions and interaction in the Internet and you will know...
I am not sure what Eolith and Playmore (or past SNK) is worried about moving on to a new board. They really lack that "leap of faith" as Exodous has put it...Sure, new boards, new ROMS, huge cash to be pumped. But investment don't come without risks - risks of losing MVS players and unable to break even with that investment. The fact the neogeo64 failed probably contributed to the fear of failing for KOF as well, since Samurai Shodown was a success in MVS. But what they didn't realise is that SS64 (and Buriki-one) are completely a heap of rubbish as fighting games. They do not have the expertise to create a 3D fighter, plus bad marketing efforts and all are what caused the failures.I am not sure what is the neogeo64 board supposed to do (are they supposed to create 3D fighters only??) but using it for KOF doesn't seem to a bad idea.
The bottomline is...The name KOF is already a money spinner by itself through its years of glory, but its glory wouldn't last too long. In probably 5 to 7 years to come, I suspect a new genre of game is going to uprise, like what pac-man is to the 80s, and fighting games is to the 90s. By that time, fighting games will be passe. I hope this is not the reason why they refuse to change to a new board, for the fear that the investment in a new board will probably not pay back itself in a few years. If it is so, then its a shame, coz KOF deserves that extra glory.
imho, the name "The King of Fighters", used to grace all in the realm of 2-d who touched it. as it stands now, the series doesnt have a general direction. and that's bad... it's dying.
if they dont do something soon, move boards, get better writters,planners... there will be nothing left, and saving the Neo-Geo would have been in vain.
Precisely my point. Its a real shame...
Only if Playmore would WORK MORE,and THINK MORE...
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