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| Iron D 1874th Post
 
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|  "Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2"
, posted Wed 17 Jul 12:28
Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
The main problem I have with it is that it's one the MVS. This means...4 buttons! Originally, I was content with the original CvS and it's 4 button layout (although I had problems even then), but after playing CvS2, I realized how AWFUL Street Fighter and Darkstalkers characters are without all six buttons being present. This is also one of the issues I had with MvC2, and is one of the advantages MvC1 has over 2.
I'll admit, SvC for the NGPC was still awesome, even with 2 buttons. But my expectations were low when I was going to play that. I came out pleasantly surprised. But on an arcade cabinet or console, six buttons won't do. For me, anyway.
The other major concern of mine is the roster. SvC's was good, but in my opinion CvS2's was better. I really like the fact that Capcom will throw in surprises, like Todoh and Maki, who weren't expected. I mean, if SvC's roster is any indication, there won't be any real surprises in SvC MVS. I'd like to see SNK (or whoever it is that is responsible) pull off something really surprising. Like Marco from Metal Slug or Regina from Dino Crisis or something like that...
I realize that the game isn't out yet, and that we know nothing about the game yet, but at the moment, my expectations are low. But who knows, maybe SNK will surprise me again.
What sare you guys' takes on this?
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| ONSLAUGHT 2198th Post
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| "Mmmhh..." , posted Wed 17 Jul 12:37
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Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
Mmmhh, you know I love Capcom above any videogame company, and that the Capcom games are my all time favorites (almost all of them), but I think that comparing Capcom with SNK is a bit unfair...
I've realized something you know? Capcom has a feeling, SNK has a feeling, no one is better or worse than the other, they're just different.
Case in point: I played with Yamazaki in KoF 98, and his knife special was fast as hell, and very useful, while his snake arm was almost useless (to me), while the Yamazaki in CvS2 has that same knife special, but it's very slow, and not that useful, while his snake arm is probably, the best thing in his arsenal... Now, who's better? I say no one, they're different, with different play mechanics, and different strategies, that's all.
I think SvC will be awesome.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 652th Post
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|  "Re(1):Mmmhh..."
, posted Wed 17 Jul 13:26:
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Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
Mmmhh, you know I love Capcom above any videogame company, and that the Capcom games are my all time favorites (almost all of them), but I think that comparing Capcom with SNK is a bit unfair...
I've realized something you know? Capcom has a feeling, SNK has a feeling, no one is better or worse than the other, they're just different.
Case in point: I played with Yamazaki in KoF 98, and his knife special was fast as hell, and very useful, while his snake arm was almost useless (to me), while the Yamazaki in CvS2 has that same knife special, but it's very slow, and not that useful, while his snake arm is probably, the best thing in his arsenal... Now, who's better? I say no one, they're different, with different play mechanics, and different strategies, that's all.
I think SvC will be awesome.
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i think onslaught hit the point with it. two different companies. doesn't necessarily mean one's better than the other. it'll be the same characters (or most of the same) in SvC but they'll just play differently. they'll play in an SNK environment this time. at first, the 4-button layout will seem weird (ya, playing CvS1 after CvS2 was weird for me too. same with switching from a Capcom game to an SNK game), but like all games you'll get used to the environment eventually 
i think SNK fans will be pleasantly surprised with this upcoming game. i remember when CvS1 (and even CvS2) came out, there were complaints that so many of the SNK characters' moves were taken out. even i can vouch for that. it's just an SNKer's opinion. of course, they "took the moves out" or "nerfed their moves" to balance the game, not to make SNK weaker
speaking of fighting on SNK's turf, muahahaha, this will OWN if counter characters can counter super moves! (excluding moves involving fire or electricity or ... well, you know those types of moves.) beware! BEWARE!! well, uh, none of you will ever fight me but uh -_- just imagine me out there, countering DMs and cackling like a maniac
as for the roster, i think it'll be good. on the contrary, i'm really hoping that those non-fighting game characters don't appear in SvC. i remember someone complaining that Mega Man wasn't in CvS2. i mean, those characters are cool and all, but they just don't belong in this sort of game (for example, Mega Man was perfect in the MvC roster). i am expecting SNK to pull off some sweet new (or old) character designs. what i think (rather, hoping) they'll bring is
- a young Geese
- an older Ryo
- Mature
- Robert
- Krauser
er, the list was a lot bigger when i thought about it. hehe, i need sleep. back to work ..
EDIT:
YES! posting in another thread has sparked my thinking memory thing! more things i'd like to see
- Iori with his band outfit on (the alternative striker for kof 2001)
- Terry with his MOTW outfit
i'd also like to hear remixes of old themes, but ehh, with so many characters, i doubt they'll do that (with all the characters, at least. they might do Terry's and Ryu's theme, along with other popular characters). whatever they do, i trust SNK's judgment in music. just my opinion though -_- come back, 80s!
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| Time Mage 691th Post
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| "Re(1):Mmmhh..." , posted Wed 17 Jul 13:50
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Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
Mmmhh, you know I love Capcom above any videogame company, and that the Capcom games are my all time favorites (almost all of them), but I think that comparing Capcom with SNK is a bit unfair...
I've realized something you know? Capcom has a feeling, SNK has a feeling, no one is better or worse than the other, they're just different.
Case in point: I played with Yamazaki in KoF 98, and his knife special was fast as hell, and very useful, while his snake arm was almost useless (to me), while the Yamazaki in CvS2 has that same knife special, but it's very slow, and not that useful, while his snake arm is probably, the best thing in his arsenal... Now, who's better? I say no one, they're different, with different play mechanics, and different strategies, that's all.
I think SvC will be awesome.
Total agree here.
The fact that made CvS play strange with 4 buttons was because it was playing in a Capcom style, so 4 buttons weren't enough.
However, SvC MotM played great with "4" buttons, because everyone was paying SNK style, and that only requires 4 buttons. You know, C, ->A, Special. That type of combos only requires 4 buttons.
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| Sklathill
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| "Re(2):Mmmhh..." , posted Wed 17 Jul 14:44
That's just what I was thinking. No matter how many SNK characters are in CvS, it still remained quite firmly a Capcom game. This time around, this is going to be an SNK game on SNK hardware...and we all know how those feel like, right? We haven't forgotten, have we? :)
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Total agree here.
The fact that made CvS play strange with 4 buttons was because it was playing in a Capcom style, so 4 buttons weren't enough.
However, SvC MotM played great with "4" buttons, because everyone was paying SNK style, and that only requires 4 buttons. You know, C, ->A, Special. That type of combos only requires 4 buttons.
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| Fro Boy11 620th Post
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| "Re(6):Mmmhh..." , posted Wed 17 Jul 19:31
Anyway, I'm hoping that this game will be good, the thing about it that worries me is that SNK can't just put in one of their old KOF, Garou and Samurai Showdown style gameplay because Capcom did that on CvS2 (S,N,and K Groove). At least when it comes to fighting styles. SNK is gonna have to come up with something new and innovative. I really don't think the stuff from KOF '99 and 2000 are gonna cut it, but if anybody can come up with a new way to play a fighter SNK can.
I think Strikers may be in this game just for the sake of having a lot more characters. Though they won't be playable, they'll be fun to see.
When is this game supposed to come out? Isn't it next Summer or something like that? If that's true then we should start hearing news around October, December at the latest. At least I hope.
With the roster, well, I would like more superstar characters, but you never know, SNK may put in Jack Turner for all we know.
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| Freeter 2896th Post
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| "Re(1):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2" , posted Wed 17 Jul 21:33
Four buttons, six buttons, don't care. I remember when in Samurai Shodown and World Heroes 2 all I used were two.
The roster can be predictable as hell, as long as SNK gives me the characters that should've been in CvS, then that's alright with me. Yes, I want the popular guys. K', Leona, Andy, etc. I'll leave the surprises to Capcom.
As for the sprites themselves, I'm glad they announced the game for a 2003 release so they'll have time to redraw everyone. At least they better, or else. That's plenty of time for the artists to get crackin'.
Gameplay-wise, three modes: Single, KOF, Tag. It worked for MOTM, it'll work here. They should really take cues from that game, it'll benefit them.
And although it's a long stretch, I hope they can somehow hire Edayan to do the art. No offense to Kinu and Shinkiro, but I'm dead sick of the CvS character art.
High expectations, most I expect will be dashed when the final product hits, but hey, it doesn't hurt to dream, right?
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| Zyzyfer 496th Post
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|  "Re(5):Mmmhh..."
, posted Thu 18 Jul 00:02
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Plus, say that middle strength attacks were done by pressing one of the available buttons and a direction. That would affect the commands for specials, and affect combos as well.
It affects combos in the KoF games as well. It makes players use more precision and actually consider *how* they're supposed to pull off that half circle back x 2 + punch motion when a special is quarter circle back + punch and a command attack is forward + punch. Think Guile when he got that dumb fwd + medium kick knee lunge...how many times does that mess up your combo? You gotta be precise when he's got that stupid move in his arsenal. By itself, though, it's great, high priority and comes out fast, blah blah.
The medium attacks in SF are usually the ones with the highest priorities and most readily made into command attacks. The real problem is that many Capcom characters already *have* command attacks, in fact, they have so many normals that I think it might be really hard to incorporate all of them. Thinking SF2 era, I remember most every character had a close attack and ranged attack with each button. Jeez!
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| Iron D 1879th Post
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| "Re(2):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2" , posted Thu 18 Jul 00:30
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Man, if you were expecting BB Hood and Akari in SvC, you must be psychic or something. I never would have considered them.
To be quite honest, I was expecting B.B. Hood to be in it. Seeing how popular she was, plus the fact that she made it into MvC2 (now THAT was a shocker) I thought that she was a natural to be in these games. Unfortunately, she only showed up in SvC. Akari I wasn't expecting, but then again, at the time I didn't even know that Akari existed.
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Plus SvC was a first attempt. You don't want to ruin the first crossover attempt by not including the characters that people want to see. That would be just plain stupid. CvS2 was a sequel so Capcom could bring in whoever they wanted since most of the essentials were covered in CvS1.
I never said that SvC's roster was totally lacking. In fact, it's my belief that SvC's roster is strong where CvS2's is weak, and vice versa. SvC has Leona, Akari, B.B. Hood, Felicia, etc, but is missing Sagat, Yamazaki, Rugal, Kyosuke, etc. which CvS2 has, but lacks the former list of characters that SvC has.
Of course, it would be a little unfair to compare a game that hasn't had the chance to be improved upon (SvC obliterates CvS1, IMO) but this thread is about why I don't think SvC will be as good CvS2 (also my opinion)...
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| iggy 352th Post
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| "Re(1):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2" , posted Thu 18 Jul 04:37
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Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
I think it will be a great game. I mean, SNK has the best character designers, they know what make a good character and what does not. I have no doubt the character select screen will be awesome.
Then, it will be on MVS, wich mean that the characters won't take as long as CvS2 character to be drawn.the guys have been working on MVS for more than 10 years, they know their jobs, then the characters will have a general quality of a KOF sprite, meaning no flashy animation or resolution.
I gess many little fan boys will shout "it's ugly!" but I really don't care, a super well animated game would have had 20 fighters in it and I think everybody want more than 40 characters.
I think there would be many, many great characters in it, with good surprises (a new drawn Morrigan, at last?) and bad surprises (if characters like Elena are in it, the fall down from the quality of SF3 will be terrible at the begenning).
The only drawbacks possible are : no SNK sprite redrawn (only KOF characters, wich would not bother me at all) and the system (the 6 grooves were so awesome, it will be hard to overpass it). I fear an horrible striker system (with many strikers only characters) wich may ruin the game. I just hope Playmore is not stupid enough to destroy the game like that.
We will soon enough find out.
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| Toxico 2128th Post
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| "Re(8):Mmmhh..." , posted Thu 18 Jul 07:56
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Ah, but that's the beauty of SF gameplay. And something that is sorely missing when you take away the normals that a six button character would have. Having close and far normals is definitely important for most characters. Of course, not all SF characters have these close and far normals...
True, but...imagine trying to beef up KoF characters for 6button games? That "use their CDs" crap is as lame as taking away the medium attacks for SF characters; it totally ruins how the character works.
Each system is different, and the crossovers are sure to face some problems. Don't most comic crossovers go awry as well?
I don't believe on that "Capcom character will not do without 6 buttons"; for example, the other day I was playing SF3 with a friend, we where in the machine for about 1 1/2 hour and not until the second time we cleared the game was that we realized that the Strong Kick was not working, half hour later we realized that in the other player the weak punch was lacking in the other player (we where playing in both sides); what I am aiming for that's it is all in the character, and what kind of moves they select.
If they are to use 4 buttons layout (and that's a sure thing), let's hope that they either re-do the moves or either select the better move (for example let's stick to Hugo, of course you will rather to have is quick medium kicks instead of the slow strong ones).
Well, that's my bent.... HA!
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| Jazzie D 1311th Post
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| "My deal behind this" , posted Thu 18 Jul 10:43
To be honest, I think the MVS SvC will surprise me in a good way, something CvS II never did in my opinion. The four button layout is no surprise. Yes, it was whack in CvS, but in the Justice Gakuen series, it was great!
Art - Yeah, no more Kinu and Shinkiro. No offense.
*Imagines Akamatsu-sensei's versions of Sakura and Mai*
Wai!
Roster - I'm sure I will like the roster or at least, majority of it. I know SNK will put in Andy, but I want my Akira, damn it! Playing as Akira is more fun than playing as Kyosuke overall in my opinion. Yeah, Kyosuke plays like a regular JG character, but Akira is so darn fun to play as. Hell, if SNK put the whole Seijyun team in, that's the first team I would pick! No wait. That would be my second team. First would probably be Mai, Yuri and Athena.
My surprise pick - Ayame. Sure, Power Stone is not a serious fighter, but if there had to be one surprise candidate, it would be someone from a game like PS and Ayame couldn't have been a better choice. Seriously.
Teams - The hard part will be teams. Will that be done or not? I'm guessing yes, but even if that happens, how will the teams go, especially on Capcom's side? Not only that, but how will the feelings go? It's no surprise Benimaru will always pass a stock to Sakura, Chun-Li and such.
As for Akari and Bulleta, well, I was half of a psychic. I expected Akari, but Bulleta was a question mark since I thought that SNK wanted to get many series in, which they did and I wanted a JG character like Natsu. I thought Morrigan and Felicia would be it from the Vampire series.
Music - No more of this whack stuff. Gimme me my classics! As for classics, we know Ryu's theme and a version of Esaka will be a couple.
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| Jazzie D 1313th Post
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| "Re(2):My deal behind this" , posted Thu 18 Jul 13:03
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*Imagines Akamatsu-sensei's versions of Sakura and Mai*
Who?
Akamatsu Ken, a popular artist who created Love Hina.
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Roster - I know SNK will put in Andy,
Are you sure about that? You do know that neither Andy nor Robert were in SvC for the NGPC, right? Yet people like to bash Cap for not including them in CvS1 or 2...
I know that. Why didn't they do that for the NGPC? Simple. You can only do so much for a Neo Geo Pocket game. Adding in Andy and Robert would have been too much of a hassle. Not only that, but adding those two would mean the addition of two more Capcom characters like lets say, Batsu and Syoma and that would lead to more overloading. Can I blame SNK? No. The game had to be compromised of main stars for the most part, i.e. Terry, Ryu, Chun-Li and so forth.
Many people blamed Capcom for not putting in Andy and Robert. Why shouldn't they? Capcom has the ability to do so. Hell, before CvS II came out, how many of the requests did Capcom fulfill? I'd say less than 10%. Maybe even less!
Come on! Capcom has what it takes! They should get the job done and at the end, they choked!
Whatever. When the time comes, I'll be enjoying my new Justice Gakuen game. That's for sure.
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| ChunliFan
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| "Re(3):My deal behind this" , posted Thu 18 Jul 16:11
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I know that. Why didn't they do that for the NGPC? Simple. You can only do so much for a Neo Geo Pocket game. Adding in Andy and Robert would have been too much of a hassle. Not only that, but adding those two would mean the addition of two more Capcom characters like lets say, Batsu and Syoma and that would lead to more overloading. Can I blame SNK? No. The game had to be compromised of main stars for the most part, i.e. Terry, Ryu, Chun-Li and so forth.
Many people blamed Capcom for not putting in Andy and Robert. Why shouldn't they? Capcom has the ability to do so. Hell, before CvS II came out, how many of the requests did Capcom fulfill? I'd say less than 10%. Maybe even less!
Come on! Capcom has what it takes! They should get the job done and at the end, they choked!
Whatever. When the time comes, I'll be enjoying my new Justice Gakuen game. That's for sure.
I dont know about that. IMO I think that Capcom didnt put them in because they wanted to include the obscure fighters such as Maki and Todo. They could have put Andy, Guy, Robert whoever in but they wanted obscurity. Not the best decision, but thats what they did.
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| Fro Boy11 642th Post
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| "Re(4):My deal behind this" , posted Fri 19 Jul 12:57
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I know that. Why didn't they do that for the NGPC? Simple. You can only do so much for a Neo Geo Pocket game. Adding in Andy and Robert would have been too much of a hassle. Not only that, but adding those two would mean the addition of two more Capcom characters like lets say, Batsu and Syoma and that would lead to more overloading. Can I blame SNK? No. The game had to be compromised of main stars for the most part, i.e. Terry, Ryu, Chun-Li and so forth.
Many people blamed Capcom for not putting in Andy and Robert. Why shouldn't they? Capcom has the ability to do so. Hell, before CvS II came out, how many of the requests did Capcom fulfill? I'd say less than 10%. Maybe even less!
Come on! Capcom has what it takes! They should get the job done and at the end, they choked!
Whatever. When the time comes, I'll be enjoying my new Justice Gakuen game. That's for sure.
I dont know about that. IMO I think that Capcom didnt put them in because they wanted to include the obscure fighters such as Maki and Todo. They could have put Andy, Guy, Robert whoever in but they wanted obscurity. Not the best decision, but thats what they did.
They wanted obscurity and variety. I still think Robert should have been in there though. Even OVER Andy. We've all been over why he should be in there, but he's not. I didn't know he or Andy wasn't in the NGPC version (I haven't played it), but it is the NGPC so you can do only so much.
Did any of you notice that Capcom didn't finish teams in CvS and CvS2. If they did it was most likely by coincidence. The only team that I know that was full was the '94 and '95 women team (King, Yuri, and Mai) and I think that was it. Everyone else is at least missing one member.
Do you know of any teams that I missed?
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| Just a Person 272th Post
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| "Re(1):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2" , posted Sat 20 Jul 12:10
I'm expecting a nice game . Now,here are some things that could make SvC a wonderful game :
1- It needs to be released for multiple consoles . Since most ofthe arcade games aren't coming to my city lately,I'd like to see it on the PS2,GameCube and/or X-Box .
2- Grooves/Modes/ISMs/whatever : all the 6 grooves from Capcom Vs. SNK 2 . It gives a large variety of strategy to the players .
3- Battle system : just like mentioned,it would be very nice having three battle options : Single (1 vs. 1),Tag (2 vs. 2,with the tag ability but without combined attacks or double Super Combos/DMs) and Team (3 vs. 3,like in KoF'94 to '98),like in NGPC's SvC . But the final battles should also be like in NGPC's SvC : a 3 fighters team,a 2 fighters tag team and a single powerful team,no matter which system you've chosen .
4- Number of buttons : I don't care (I only use strong punch and strong kick),as long as they make a nice job with the buttons .
5- Redrawn characters ? Sure ! For both sides (the SNK characters' sprites are getting old) . Finally Morrigan will be redrawn ...
6- Storyline : CvS and CvS2 had a storyline,but it wasn't that good ... SvC in the NGPC also had a storyline,and it also wasn't really impressive ... This time,I'm expecting for a really surprising storyline (hey,we're talking about SNK,they can do it !) .
7- Characters : Chun-Li (of course !),Norimaro (please !!! He's so funny !),Mature (maybe without Vice ? Nothing against Vice,but now it's Mature's time),Carol (from Savage Reign),Oni (from Saturday Night Slam Masters),K' ... well,as long as Chun-Li is in it,I will be satisfied .
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| ChunliFan
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| "Re(2):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2" , posted Sat 20 Jul 13:18
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I'm expecting a nice game . Now,here are some things that could make SvC a wonderful game :
1- It needs to be released for multiple consoles . Since most ofthe arcade games aren't coming to my city lately,I'd like to see it on the PS2,GameCube and/or X-Box .
2- Grooves/Modes/ISMs/whatever : all the 6 grooves from Capcom Vs. SNK 2 . It gives a large variety of strategy to the players .
3- Battle system : just like mentioned,it would be very nice having three battle options : Single (1 vs. 1),Tag (2 vs. 2,with the tag ability but without combined attacks or double Super Combos/DMs) and Team (3 vs. 3,like in KoF'94 to '98),like in NGPC's SvC . But the final battles should also be like in NGPC's SvC : a 3 fighters team,a 2 fighters tag team and a single powerful team,no matter which system you've chosen .
4- Number of buttons : I don't care (I only use strong punch and strong kick),as long as they make a nice job with the buttons .
5- Redrawn characters ? Sure ! For both sides (the SNK characters' sprites are getting old) . Finally Morrigan will be redrawn ...
6- Storyline : CvS and CvS2 had a storyline,but it wasn't that good ... SvC in the NGPC also had a storyline,and it also wasn't really impressive ... This time,I'm expecting for a really surprising storyline (hey,we're talking about SNK,they can do it !) .
7- Characters : Chun-Li (of course !),Norimaro (please !!! He's so funny !),Mature (maybe without Vice ? Nothing against Vice,but now it's Mature's time),Carol (from Savage Reign),Oni (from Saturday Night Slam Masters),K' ... well,as long as Chun-Li is in it,I will be satisfied .
I think the game should have the tag feature the NGPC had (no not as crazy as MvC). I thought that was cool. It's gonna be hard to put in new modes of gameplay since CvS2 covered a lot of ground. Playmore will come up with something though.
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| Ted 672th Post
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|  "Re(1):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2"
, posted Sat 20 Jul 15:36
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Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
The main problem I have with it is that it's one the MVS. This means...4 buttons! Originally, I was content with the original CvS and it's 4 button layout (although I had problems even then), but after playing CvS2, I realized how AWFUL Street Fighter and Darkstalkers characters are without all six buttons being present. This is also one of the issues I had with MvC2, and is one of the advantages MvC1 has over 2.
I'll admit, SvC for the NGPC was still awesome, even with 2 buttons. But my expectations were low when I was going to play that. I came out pleasantly surprised. But on an arcade cabinet or console, six buttons won't do. For me, anyway.
The other major concern of mine is the roster. SvC's was good, but in my opinion CvS2's was better. I really like the fact that Capcom will throw in surprises, like Todoh and Maki, who weren't expected. I mean, if SvC's roster is any indication, there won't be any real surprises in SvC MVS. I'd like to see SNK (or whoever it is that is responsible) pull off something really surprising. Like Marco from Metal Slug or Regina from Dino Crisis or something like that...
I realize that the game isn't out yet, and that we know nothing about the game yet, but at the moment, my expectations are low. But who knows, maybe SNK will surprise me again.
What sare you guys' takes on this?
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| ONSLAUGHT 2215th Post
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| "MvC vs MvC2" , posted Sun 21 Jul 00:16
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ok...uh....yeah...
go ahead and fully explain to me how MvC1 was better than MvC2. I'm lovin any theory on this and i'll reply if you post about your above statement.
Well, MvC was not better than MvC2, but it had some advantages...
Let's see:
The six buttons layout- I think this is where MvC wins over MvC2, Blackheart lost his qcf+mp special, because there was no Medium punch. Some chars have missing features and attacks (sure, you can do most of them by pressing the controller in a diagonal manner, but that is annoying at first...)
After playing MvC2 for a while, you get used and comfortable with the 4 button layout, but if you ask me, I'm sticking with the six button one...
Stages and themes- Ok, in this department, MvC crushes MvC2... why? due to the character specific stages and themes, like the megaman one, or the Spider-Man one, or the blue side of the moon one (I can go on but you get the idea I guess). The character specific themes were damn cool, I was highly emotioned when I heard the arranged Strider, Megaman, Ryu and most characters themes.
Now, don't get me wrong, I loved the stages and music (Yeah, you're reading well, I love the music) in MvC2, but if you ask me, character specific themes and stages are better.
I think those are the aspects in wich MvC is better than MvC2, but overall MvC2 is a better game due to its improved tag team system and its larger roster, among other things.
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| YeldellGW
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Regular Customer
| "Re(1):Why MVS SvC won't be as good as CvS2" , posted Mon 22 Jul 14:43
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Of course, this is all my opinion, but I'm already under the impression that SvC won't be as good as CvS2.
The main problem I have with it is that it's one the MVS. This means...4 buttons! Originally, I was content with the original CvS and it's 4 button layout (although I had problems even then), but after playing CvS2, I realized how AWFUL Street Fighter and Darkstalkers characters are without all six buttons being present. This is also one of the issues I had with MvC2, and is one of the advantages MvC1 has over 2.
No offense, but that's a lame reason to think the game won't be that good. Rival Schools used 4 buttons and I haven't heard any Sakura fans complaining about how she played it that game. Other than Vampire (And it's because I prefer chains over standard SF two-in-ones.), I can adjust to havinig 2 less buttons. I hardly use every punch and kick in SF most of the time.
If I can adjust to each different 4 button layout in SNK fighters, I can adjust to using Capcom characters with 2 less buttons.
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The other major concern of mine is the roster. SvC's was good, but in my opinion CvS2's was better. I really like the fact that Capcom will throw in surprises, like Todoh and Maki, who weren't expected. I mean, if SvC's roster is any indication, there won't be any real surprises in SvC MVS. I'd like to see SNK (or whoever it is that is responsible) pull off something really surprising. Like Marco from Metal Slug or Regina from Dino Crisis or something like that...
Personally, I don't care for the MvC style roster. ROckman's one of my favs and he got turned into a cheesy keep-away character.
Now that I think about it, every Rockman chracter was annoying as hell in the vs games.
Doesn't really matter who gets used. Even my sleeper favs won't see the light of day in these games, reguardless whose in charge of the roster.
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/shizu-3s-win.gif
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| Iron D 1888th Post
Gold Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Executive
| "Re(1):MvC vs MvC2" , posted Tue 23 Jul 01:25
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Let's see:
The six buttons layout- I think this is where MvC wins over MvC2, Blackheart lost his qcf+mp special, because there was no Medium punch. Some chars have missing features and attacks (sure, you can do most of them by pressing the controller in a diagonal manner, but that is annoying at first...)
After playing MvC2 for a while, you get used and comfortable with the 4 button layout, but if you ask me, I'm sticking with the six button one...
Stages and themes- Ok, in this department, MvC crushes MvC2... why? due to the character specific stages and themes, like the megaman one, or the Spider-Man one, or the blue side of the moon one (I can go on but you get the idea I guess). The character specific themes were damn cool, I was highly emotioned when I heard the arranged Strider, Megaman, Ryu and most characters themes.
Now, don't get me wrong, I loved the stages and music (Yeah, you're reading well, I love the music) in MvC2, but if you ask me, character specific themes and stages are better.
Onslaught pretty much hit my thoughts right on the nose. I chose my words carefully in this statement, saying that this is one of the things that MvC had over MvC2. I did NOT say that MvC was flat out better. My opinion is actually that they are equal. MvC is better than MvC2 for the exact reasons that Onslaught mentioned in the above quote. Of course, MvC2 has the better roster, better secrests, etc.
It's like BOO!
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