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| mikelurker
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|  "Re: Athena and SNK"
, posted Fri 12 Jul 16:34
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SNK can't seem to decide if Athena is a schoolgirl or not. I understood that she was the same age as Kyo, in her 20's, but sometimes she's in a high school uniform. What gives?
Athena was the same age as Kyo for one year. Then...
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Hey, Athena is 18 in KoF 2k1. :) Kyo is 20. Of course Athena's official age was prob. around 16 in 94', so it's just that SNK isn't letting their char. age to quickly.
Athena's official age in '94 was 18.
Kyo should be 21 in 2K1. Well, actually, he should be 25, but whatever...
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So in the past seven years Athena has only aged two years, if that? That's a neat trick, I wish I could do it. Then again, that would mean getting stuck in high school for nearly a decade like Kyo did so I guess there are some negatives to it as well.
In the KoF series, everything and everyone consistently aged, right up until KoF98. That was the "dream match" that never happened, so people wouldn't age, right? So in KoF98, the bio info was the same as for KoF97. But then the characters' ages in the following year (KoF99) would be off by a year. Or should that be off by two years? More confusion ensued.
The SNK story writers decided "ah screw it" and pulled a Capcom Alpha. They started screwing around with the characters' birth years instead of their ages. Since KoF97 or so, no one has aged at all.
This is nothing new to Athena though, since she has always been an exception to the whole aging thing. In KoF94, she was 18. In KoF95, she was 18. In KoF96, she was 18. In KoF97... etc.
It seems to be have been a bit of a vague hand-waving story-thing involving psychic powers that was never developed. If you notice/care, none of the original Psycho Soldier Team ever got older, even during the period when SNK was actually keeping track of the passage of time. I was interested to see if Kensou would age during the year he lost his psychic powers, but was disappointed when they imposed the age freeze on everyone.
Now we may never know if psychic powers can be used to stop the aging process...
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| iggy 338th Post
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| "forever young in KOF" , posted Sat 13 Jul 01:36
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Athena's official age in '94 was 18.
In the KoF series, everything and everyone consistently aged, right up until KoF98. That was the "dream match" that never happened, so people wouldn't age, right? So in KoF98, the bio info was the same as for KoF97. But then the characters' ages in the following year (KoF99) would be off by a year. Or should that be off by two years? More confusion ensued.
Not exactly...
Everyone took a year (even Athena) from 94 to 95. Then it became clear to everyone that it would become a long series, so everyone stopped ageing from 95 to 2000 (I don't know the stats of KOF 2001, but why would they start re-ageing now?)
so :
Asamiya Athena : KOF 94 : 17, KOF 95 : 18, KOF 2000 : 18.
Kusanagi Kyo : KOF 94 : 19, KOF 95 : 20, KOF 2000 : 20 (intersting note : the clones Kyo 1 and Kyo 2 also are 20, but thei birthday is on 5 July when Kyo's in 12 december... have they been created 6 mounth after Kyo's birth? how maniac, Nests...)
Chin Genzai : KOF 94 : 88, KOF 95 : 89, KOF 2000 : 89
Yagami Iori : KOF 95 : 20, KOF 2000 : 20.
And for Garou characters :
Mai : Garou 2 : born on 1 january 1974, 19, Garou 3 : 21, Real Bout Garou Special : 23
KOF 94 : 20, KOF 95 : 21, KOF 2000 : 21. Wild Ambition : no age precised (yes, right, the best way to avoid the problem of ageing is to not have any age from the beginning)
and since many people here love him, including me :
Geese Howard :Garou SP : born on 21 january 1953, 40, Garou 3 : 42, Real Bout Special : 43, KOF 96 : 42 and....and.... Ryuko 2 :26 !!!!
But if you look Yuri :
Ryuko 2 :18, KOF 94 : 19, KOF 95 : 20, KOF 96 : 20, KOF 2000 : 20
or Mr Big : Ryuko 2 : 33, KOF 96 : 35
Or Ryo : Ryuko 2 : birth date : 2 august, age 22, Garou SP : 23, KOF 94 : 23, KOF 95 : 24, KOF 96 : 24, KOF 2000 : 24, Buriki ONE : birth date : 2 august 1967, age : 32.
And Mister Karate (2) that appears in Wild Ambition has the same age as Ryo in Ryuko 2.
And on a final note : Terry : Garou 2 : born on 15 march 1971, age 22, Garou 3 : 23, Real Bout SP : 25, Garou Mark of the Wolves : 35.
KOF 94 : 23, KOF 95 : 24, KOF 2000 : 24.
Soooooooo, if we take all this together :
Garou 2 and ryuko 2 took place in 1993, Garou SP, 3 and KOF 94 in 1994, all the KOF between 95 and 2000 (and further?) in 1995, Real Bout SP in 1996, Buriki ONE in 1999 and Mark of The Wolves in 2006.
But with Ryo's dates, KOF 94, for example, should have taken plave in 1990.
And if we take Geese's dates, Ryuko 2 happenned in 1979...
I think we found out how Geese died : when everyone stopped ageing, he began to take 14 years in one year and died old and impotant.
So, I really don't understand why everyone say you can't have Rock (17 in MOTW) appear in KOF (at the age of 16 or 14 for example), let's say the ageing problem of his father brutally aged him, then nearly stopped him until MOTW while Terry aged normally. And even Nakoruru may still be 18 now even though she was born in 1771 (after all the services she provided to Nature, Nature should give her a few bonusses)
Happy year 1995 everyone!
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| Ishmael
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| "Re(1):forever young in KOF" , posted Sat 13 Jul 14:45
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Athena's official age in '94 was 18.
In the KoF series, everything and everyone consistently aged, right up until KoF98. That was the "dream match" that never happened, so people wouldn't age, right? So in KoF98, the bio info was the same as for KoF97. But then the characters' ages in the following year (KoF99) would be off by a year. Or should that be off by two years? More confusion ensued.
Not exactly...
Everyone took a year (even Athena) from 94 to 95. Then it became clear to everyone that it would become a long series, so everyone stopped ageing from 95 to 2000 (I don't know the stats of KOF 2001, but why would they start re-ageing now?)
so :
Asamiya Athena : KOF 94 : 17, KOF 95 : 18, KOF 2000 : 18.
Kusanagi Kyo : KOF 94 : 19, KOF 95 : 20, KOF 2000 : 20 (intersting note : the clones Kyo 1 and Kyo 2 also are 20, but thei birthday is on 5 July when Kyo's in 12 december... have they been created 6 mounth after Kyo's birth? how maniac, Nests...)
Chin Genzai : KOF 94 : 88, KOF 95 : 89, KOF 2000 : 89
Yagami Iori : KOF 95 : 20, KOF 2000 : 20.
And for Garou characters :
Mai : Garou 2 : born on 1 january 1974, 19, Garou 3 : 21, Real Bout Garou Special : 23
KOF 94 : 20, KOF 95 : 21, KOF 2000 : 21. Wild Ambition : no age precised (yes, right, the best way to avoid the problem of ageing is to not have any age from the beginning)
and since many people here love him, including me :
Geese Howard :Garou SP : born on 21 january 1953, 40, Garou 3 : 42, Real Bout Special : 43, KOF 96 : 42 and....and.... Ryuko 2 :26 !!!!
But if you look Yuri :
Ryuko 2 :18, KOF 94 : 19, KOF 95 : 20, KOF 96 : 20, KOF 2000 : 20
or Mr Big : Ryuko 2 : 33, KOF 96 : 35
Or Ryo : Ryuko 2 : birth date : 2 august, age 22, Garou SP : 23, KOF 94 : 23, KOF 95 : 24, KOF 96 : 24, KOF 2000 : 24, Buriki ONE : birth date : 2 august 1967, age : 32.
And Mister Karate (2) that appears in Wild Ambition has the same age as Ryo in Ryuko 2.
And on a final note : Terry : Garou 2 : born on 15 march 1971, age 22, Garou 3 : 23, Real Bout SP : 25, Garou Mark of the Wolves : 35.
KOF 94 : 23, KOF 95 : 24, KOF 2000 : 24.
Soooooooo, if we take all this together :
Garou 2 and ryuko 2 took place in 1993, Garou SP, 3 and KOF 94 in 1994, all the KOF between 95 and 2000 (and further?) in 1995, Real Bout SP in 1996, Buriki ONE in 1999 and Mark of The Wolves in 2006.
But with Ryo's dates, KOF 94, for example, should have taken plave in 1990.
And if we take Geese's dates, Ryuko 2 happenned in 1979...
I think we found out how Geese died : when everyone stopped ageing, he began to take 14 years in one year and died old and impotant.
So, I really don't understand why everyone say you can't have Rock (17 in MOTW) appear in KOF (at the age of 16 or 14 for example), let's say the ageing problem of his father brutally aged him, then nearly stopped him until MOTW while Terry aged normally. And even Nakoruru may still be 18 now even though she was born in 1771 (after all the services she provided to Nature, Nature should give her a few bonusses)
Happy year 1995 everyone!
Hahaheeee... my head hurts after all that. Still, it seems right somehow that SNK remains perpetually in 1995.
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| iggy 344th Post
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| "Re(3):Athena: Awakening from thr ordinary?" , posted Mon 15 Jul 03:42
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As for ages...I know I've done this before, but here it is again. The link: http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt All the official birthdates are in here. Don't ask where he got them from, but these are the real deal. Anything else is just after-the-fact nonsense designed to try to keep everyone from reach old, old mid 20's.
I don't want to be mean in any way, but no KOF character ever had an official birth date (they only have day/ mouth of birth and age, no year).
Only the fatal fury official datas used to mention the year of birth (from Garou 2 to RB2) and the official years are fixed in KOF since KOF 95.
By, "official", I mean the datas of Neo Geo Freak, wich was edited by SNK, the japanese instruction booklets of Neo Geo cardriges, or at least the "AA SNK" from the studio bent stuff.
In none of these 3 sources does any KOF character or cross over character have any year date, only ages. And the meaning of my previous post was only to point out that SNK didn't give a shit of the years passing (and I don't think anybody can blame them).
But if you have more "official" sources than these, I would be happy to be prooved wrong.
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| mikelurker
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| "Re: KoF Story FAQ (and a minor math lesson)" , posted Mon 15 Jul 12:06
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As for ages...I know I've done this before, but here it is again. The link: http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/king_of_fighters_story.txt All the official birthdates are in here. Don't ask where he got them from, but these are the real deal.
And as I've done several times now, I quote from the beginning of the "FAQ":
"...there is also made-up info made to tie loose ends..."
The KoF94 manga is a helluva lot more official than Kailu's FAQ, and most people will acknowledge that it's not "canon". KoF Kyo is another official part of KoF history that is completely glazed over. No offense to Kailu Lantis; it's a great fanfic. Wonderful stuff. I just wish people would stop quoting from it like was gospel. Next thing we'll have is someone quoting from the HK comic...
Not to mention the impossibility of figuring the characters' birth year from birthdate and age. For instance, suppose Person A's birthdate is July 16. Person A is 18 years old. If you read this post today (July 15), you calculate the birth year to be 1983; tomorrow, Person A will turn 19 years old. If you are given the same information and read this post tomorrow (July 16) or later, the birth year comes out to be 1984; Person A's birthday has already passed this year.
The same starting information works out to a different birth year, simply because a little bit of time passed. Given that we have no idea what day all this bio info was gathered, this pretty solidly negates any FAQ writer's attempt at figuring out the exact year of birth for any character. Including my own.
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| Rugalbernstein 2141th Post
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| "Re(4):Athena: Awakening from thr ordinary?" , posted Mon 15 Jul 18:42
I've been avoiding posting for a while, but this thread has garnered my attention. First off, I'd like to say KOF characters don't age because aging would seriously damage their designs. Sure, they may age in games set in the " future " (MOTW) , but other than that, they're in a sort of " stasis field " . Also, I own Athena:Awakening from the Ordinary Life ( anyone want some manual scans? ^_^ ), and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that it takes place in the year 2010. An evil organization named WAD Enterprise is trying to capture her because of her budding psychic powers. From what I can understand, they have some sort of machine/computer that is powered by psychics.. and she's chased by a clown named Astaraiosu and then later another one whose name I can't remember. So is it even connected with KOF? Did Athena travel back in time? Does it really matter? I don't think so. SNK barely makes a story of their own, and it's rife with plot holes. It's up to the fans to connect them all, so I'd wager almost 80% of the " official " info out there is fan-made.
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| DKW
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| "Okay, maybe not "official"..." , posted Tue 16 Jul 00:10
More like "official-looking". Whatever. But nearly all of them were very close to my initial estimates (I realize that there may have been some fudging, keeping in mind that some of these characters have been around for over a decade), and, at any rate, I gotta have some baseline. So as far as I'm concerned, close enough, and I won't bother quibbling days and months.
It's become painfully obvious to me that Awakening From The Ordinary Life is a "fantasy" story, something that occurs well outside KOF reality. I don't have a beef with that...Pocket Fighter's was one of my favorite fighting games, and there's no doubt that that wasn't "real", either.
(As for never aging...that's a subject for an entirely different thread. One I'm very strongly considering starting.)
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| TiamatRoar
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| "Re(1):Re: KoF Story FAQ (and a minor math les" , posted Wed 17 Jul 20:00:
Sigh.
Did you know that the first KOF tournament was actually Art of Fighting 2? It should be stated in All About SNK, according to what my Japanese speaking friend told me. Lantis doesn't want to include that in the KOF plot guide despite finding out how it was true canon because he fears the backlash that will come to him by people who can't believe it.
Hmm... I think I have issues with that, though on the other hand, I also can sympathize with his fear of the backlash. Lord knows I got enough for the Street Fighter plot guide.
By the way, to Iggy,
I asked my friend for it after you said you couldn't find it in AAC since I wanted to make sure, myself. Anyways, Zangief is stated to be gay in the "Official Street Fighter 2 Fanbook." ^^ Saiki doesn't know why it's not in All About Capcom, but then again, All About Capcom wasn't able to cover all the more specific character details for the most part...
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| Toxico 2123th Post
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|  "Re(2):Re: KoF Story FAQ (and a minor math les"
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Sigh.
Did you know that the first KOF tournament was actually Art of Fighting 2? It should be stated in All About SNK, according to what my Japanese speaking friend told me. Lantis doesn't want to include that in the KOF plot guide despite finding out how it was true canon because he fears the backlash that will come to him by people who can't believe it.
Hmm... I think I have issues with that, though on the other hand, I also can sympathize with his fear of the backlash. Lord knows I got enough for the Street Fighter plot guide.
By the way, to Iggy,
I asked my friend for it after you said you couldn't find it in AAC since I wanted to make sure, myself. Anyways, Zangief is stated to be gay in the "Official Street Fighter 2 Fanbook." ^^ Saiki doesn't know why it's not in All About Capcom, but then again, All About Capcom wasn't able to cover all the more specific character details for the most part...
Also you can tell that Lantis created the story after playing the "spanish lenguage version" of the game; that's easily found out when you check that he states that Vanessa and Seth where "aumented" using Zero DNA, fact that is stated in Spanish only because some traslation error (the translater did not change the word for english from spanish, the word is "duped" wich in English stands for fooled and in spanish stands for fill).
There are several unaccuracies like those through the FAQ.
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). My problem with the premise (same with that Nakoruru game, BTW) is the idea that she's somehow incredibly unusual or different from everyone else because of her psychic abilities. This might be true in the real world, but I'd hardly consider KOF a reflection of reality. I just don't see any reason to put her on a pedestal.
