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| Hungrywolf 1110th Post
 
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|  "URGE TO KILL RISING!!!!"
, posted Mon 1 Jul 10:10
Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
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| ONSLAUGHT 2136th Post
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| "Re(1):URGE TO KILL RISING!!!!" , posted Mon 1 Jul 11:32
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I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu.
Mmmhh... Personally I think Ryu would mop the floor with Terry... I mean, come on, Ryu IS the ultimate warrior, he doesn't have a son, a girlfriend or any other distraction, he lives for the fight, he is highly disciplinated, and he is... well, he's Ryu...
I think Ryu ranks way too high on the fighters scale, he's a warrior, not some punk like Birdie or Ramon...
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| Fro Boy11 581th Post
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| "Re(2):URGE TO KILL RISING!!!!" , posted Mon 1 Jul 11:49
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I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu.
Mmmhh... Personally I think Ryu would mop the floor with Terry... I mean, come on, Ryu IS the ultimate warrior, he doesn't have a son, a girlfriend or any other distraction, he lives for the fight, he is highly disciplinated, and he is... well, he's Ryu...
I think Ryu ranks way too high on the fighters scale, he's a warrior, not some punk like Birdie or Ramon...
I think it's harder to raise a kid, manage a relationship with a woman and still be able to kick everyones ass to get stronger. I think that's harder than just going around and fighting people just for the sake of get stronger.
Anyway, Hungrywolf, you should write a weekly rant post or something. Lately things have been bugging you, but you have a point with a lot of things.
Terry would beat Ryu.
Nintendo is NOT "kiddy"!!
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| ONSLAUGHT 2138th Post
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| "Denjin..." , posted Mon 1 Jul 11:59
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I think it's harder to raise a kid, manage a relationship with a woman and still be able to kick everyones ass to get stronger. I think that's harder than just going around and fighting people just for the sake of get stronger.
No, I don't think Ryu is kicking butt just for the sake of getting stronger...
He's seeking the meaning of the fight, he's not your usual street fighter (no pun intended), he's a warrior.
And I've never seen any impressive demonstration of power on Terry's part... sure, he defeated Geese, but I think Geese is not that strong...
On the other hand, Ryu defeated Akuma on his island, he has defeated Ken (well, he has the better win record anyway), Oro thinks Ryu has a vast potential (He wants to use both hands against Ryu), he defeated M. Bison, he defeated Sagat...
I think that says many good things about Ryu.
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| Fro Boy11 582th Post
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| "Re(1):Denjin..." , posted Mon 1 Jul 12:08
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I think it's harder to raise a kid, manage a relationship with a woman and still be able to kick everyones ass to get stronger. I think that's harder than just going around and fighting people just for the sake of get stronger.
No, I don't think Ryu is kicking butt just for the sake of getting stronger...
He's seeking the meaning of the fight, he's not your usual street fighter (no pun intended), he's a warrior.
And I've never seen any impressive demonstration of power on Terry's part... sure, he defeated Geese, but I think Geese is not that strong...
On the other hand, Ryu defeated Akuma on his island, he has defeated Ken (well, he has the better win record anyway), Oro thinks Ryu has a vast potential (He wants to use both hands against Ryu), he defeated M. Bison, he defeated Sagat...
I think that says many good things about Ryu.
I don't remember Akuma ever losing yet? Oh well. I think Terry would still beat Ryu regardless of what Ryu has done. I'm not saying Terry would just demolish Ryu, but he would win. Terry could beat Sagat too. If Terry could beat Geese, Krauser, and a lot of different fighters in the KOF tournaments and stuff I'm sure he could beat A LOT of the guys Ryu has beaten, and if he can't beat them he damn sure would give them a good match. Terry would beat the hell outta Ken.
I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
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| ONSLAUGHT 2140th Post
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| "Re(2):Denjin..." , posted Mon 1 Jul 12:16:
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Terry would beat the hell outta Ken.
I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
Look at Ryu's ending in Alpha/Zero 2, Akuma lost in it.
And no, I don't think Terry would beat the hell outta Ken, Terry is not THAT powerful.
You're forgetting soemthing, Terry is not one of the strongest chars on the SNK universe, Iori, Kyo, K', Takuma... those are more powerful than Terry, while Ryu is probably the Strongest "Good guy" on the Capcom side...
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| Fro Boy11 583th Post
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| "Re(3):Denjin..." , posted Mon 1 Jul 12:36
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Terry would beat the hell outta Ken.
I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
Look at Ryu's ending in Alpha/Zero 2, Akuma lost in it.
And no, I don't think Terry would beat the hell outta Ken, Terry is not THAT powerful.
You're forgetting soemthing, Terry is not one of the strongest chars on the SNK universe, Iori, Kyo, K', Takuma... those are more powerful than Terry, while Ryu is probably the Strongest "Good guy" on the Capcom side...
Akuma held back when he fought Ryu in SFA2. He wanted to fight Ryu at his strongest. Ken also beat Ryu in SFA2.
Terry HAS to be up there in the strongest in the SNK universe. I read that he was equal to Kyo in power, if he's not than he's BARELY weaker. Oro is stronger than Ryu, so is Akuma if I understand correctly.
And I still think that Terry would beat Ken.
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| Hungrywolf 1113th Post
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| "Re(4):Denjin..." , posted Mon 1 Jul 13:24
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Terry would beat the hell outta Ken.
I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
Look at Ryu's ending in Alpha/Zero 2, Akuma lost in it.
And no, I don't think Terry would beat the hell outta Ken, Terry is not THAT powerful.
You're forgetting soemthing, Terry is not one of the strongest chars on the SNK universe, Iori, Kyo, K', Takuma... those are more powerful than Terry, while Ryu is probably the Strongest "Good guy" on the Capcom side...
Akuma held back when he fought Ryu in SFA2. He wanted to fight Ryu at his strongest. Ken also beat Ryu in SFA2.
Terry HAS to be up there in the strongest in the SNK universe. I read that he was equal to Kyo in power, if he's not than he's BARELY weaker. Oro is stronger than Ryu, so is Akuma if I understand correctly.
And I still think that Terry would beat Ken.
Terry has more focus that Kyo though, I believe. Plus experience....
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| Gen 366th Post
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| "Re(5): Fading. Rising!" , posted Mon 1 Jul 17:25
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Maybe nintendo wants to give young gamers the same nice game experiences you had in the 80's? Besides, if you want "big boy" games nintendo doesnt put restrains in other companies as to what to release on the gamecube (HECK nintendo was involved in Eternal Darkness.)
It still doesnt compute.
This opinion was thought by me and a bunch of other gamers with access to Nintendos durring the 80s
here are some notes/ideas that may make the point of view more clear.
Me and a group of people would play some new NES game, it appeared to be made for little tikes, but we played it. Then later future Nintendo games came out, and we thought it was odd that the games were still targeted at little tikes. None of us were little tikes anymore..
Most companies only care about getting new customers and forget about existing customers.
Nintendo themselves makes most of their games for young gamers and not adults.
They market toward youth.
I like games like KoF where with each next game its in a distinct new year.
If a company makes a game aimed at say teenagers, then they get a core audiance of teenageers around that game. Now say the company decides to put out a sequal 10 years later. It would be neat if the company showed that they knew this audiance and showed that they cared, and considered that the gamers were all adults- and so then geared the next game for adults.
Part of the Playstation's success, as I've heard Sony people put it, was caused by marketing to adults. Most gamers had aged and became adults by then. They did this while typical other companies continued to view video games as for kids - and the PS became very popular.
I believe I heard that Konami looked at the existing games for Gamecube and decided game cube was more for kids, so it would make more sense for them to release Metal Gear for anonther system like PS2.
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| Hungrywolf 1115th Post
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| "Re(6): Fading. Rising!" , posted Mon 1 Jul 18:52
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Maybe nintendo wants to give young gamers the same nice game experiences you had in the 80's? Besides, if you want "big boy" games nintendo doesnt put restrains in other companies as to what to release on the gamecube (HECK nintendo was involved in Eternal Darkness.)
It still doesnt compute.
This opinion was thought by me and a bunch of other gamers with access to Nintendos durring the 80s
here are some notes/ideas that may make the point of view more clear.
Me and a group of people would play some new NES game, it appeared to be made for little tikes, but we played it. Then later future Nintendo games came out, and we thought it was odd that the games were still targeted at little tikes. None of us were little tikes anymore..
Most companies only care about getting new customers and forget about existing customers.
Nintendo themselves makes most of their games for young gamers and not adults.
They market toward youth.
I like games like KoF where with each next game its in a distinct new year.
If a company makes a game aimed at say teenagers, then they get a core audiance of teenageers around that game. Now say the company decides to put out a sequal 10 years later. It would be neat if the company showed that they knew this audiance and showed that they cared, and considered that the gamers were all adults- and so then geared the next game for adults.
Part of the Playstation's success, as I've heard Sony people put it, was caused by marketing to adults. Most gamers had aged and became adults by then. They did this while typical other companies continued to view video games as for kids - and the PS became very popular.
I believe I heard that Konami looked at the existing games for Gamecube and decided game cube was more for kids, so it would make more sense for them to release Metal Gear for anonther system like PS2.
Personally, when I play games, I play them to have a good time, not because they are full of cussing and blood and gore (because that is usually the thing a mature game is mature for). I believe Nintendo, above other companies (compared to current consoles, I'd include Sega with Nintendo in that, but they are out of console business now....I love Sega and Nintendo), has been more about providing an enjoyable gaming experience for the gamer, while I feel other companies (Sony, Microsoft) are more interested in money. I think Miyamoto has a great vision and has continued to show that always. Hmm, guess what, I'm 21, and I've played every Mario and Zelda game and loved every one. How you can call either of those games for 4 year olds is beyond me, cause I've never met a 4 year old who could beat Super Mario Bros. (the first and hardest game in the series). In fact, I don't know a 4 year old who could beat any Zelda or Mario game. You obviously have a very short sight when it comes to good games. How old are you anyway? Are you a true gamer? I feel a true gamer looks beyond supposedly mature games and looks for an enjoyable game. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Mature games. I love RE (wait, that's on Nintendo Gamecube, amazing, 0 and 4 will be exclusive to it, and 2 and 3 are coming out soon) and Eternal Darkness (wow, Nintendo has a mature game that is actually creepy and has an incredible story). Now that I think of it, there are a number of rated T games also, which I think fall in the adult category too. Wow, there weren't many M games on 64 at all, but there were T rated games and tons of games for all ages. So why don't you come up with a better arguement. If you can't appreciate Nintendo games, I don't understand. I don't want to offend you, I want to understand what you mean when you say bad things about Nintendo....
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Ryu would win.
Terry's an alcoholic bum.
Ryu's a homeless bum, with no relatives, no interestin opposite sex (probably a virgin), and wears the dirty dougi all the time. (eeew.) Oh, and walks around the globe barefoot,and is always broke.
Oh, we're not comparing who's the higher bum? my bad.
Tio: Since when is Terry alcoholic?
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| Gen 367th Post
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| "Re(7): Fading. Rising!" , posted Mon 1 Jul 20:41
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Personally, when I play games, I play them to have a good time, not because they are full of cussing and blood and gore (because that is usually the thing a mature game is mature for).
Me too. Although sometimes some HBO shows are pretty funny because of all the cussing.
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I believe Nintendo, above other companies (compared to current consoles, I'd include Sega with Nintendo in that, but they are out of console business now....I love Sega and Nintendo), has been more about providing an enjoyable gaming experience for the gamer, while I feel other companies (Sony, Microsoft) are more interested in money. I think Miyamoto has a great vision and has continued to show that always. Hmm,
Yeah, Nintendo was going for quality over quantity for a while there.
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guess what, I'm 21, and I've played every Mario and Zelda game and loved every one. How you can call either of those games for 4 year olds is beyond me, cause I've never met a 4 year old who could beat Super Mario Bros. (the first and hardest game in the series). In fact, I don't know a 4 year old who could beat any Zelda or Mario game.
It's an exaggeration. It has come up in many discussions. It has appeared in game magazines.
Basically what I was saying is simply Mario isn't a game made for adults and marketed to adults. I think everyone can agree with that. I didn't say adults aren't allowed to play it. I was just pointing out that some kids noticed that there were games that were supposed to be for little kids, the kids who played them got older, but like a toy company the products continued to be aimed at little kids. Sense video games are so much more than toys and presumably game developers, with there programming and game design ability, have that edge over toy designers, they could take it further than a toy company that makes the same toy for the same age range forever. Sony recognized that most of the market had become adults. Many people had played video games growing up and were now adults with there own income. Sony marketed to adults and got one of the most successful systems out of it..
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You obviously have a very short sight when it comes to good games. How old are you anyway? Are you a true gamer?
Are you a true gamer? tah ha "true gamer"
No- I'm a false gamer. Lets go listen to false metal. I'm younger than Rugal and older than teenybopper. I have ultra wide sight when it comes to video games that makes Freudians ashamed of their small associations.
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I feel a true gamer looks beyond supposedly mature games and looks for an enjoyable game.
Then I'd be a true gamer. I haven't played a game just because the rating was mature, or not play them because of the rating being E for everyone.. Well maybe if the game looked like Sesame Street I might skip it, or if the game had a reputation for being this really good ultra mature themed game I might take a look at it.
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I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Mature games. I love RE (wait, that's on Nintendo Gamecube, amazing, 0 and 4 will be exclusive to it, and 2 and 3 are coming out soon) and Eternal Darkness (wow, Nintendo has a mature game that is actually creepy and has an incredible story). Now that I think of it, there are a number of rated T games also, which I think fall in the adult category too. Wow, there weren't many M games on 64 at all, but there were T rated games and tons of games for all ages. So why don't you come up with a better arguement. If you can't appreciate Nintendo games, I don't understand. I don't want to offend you, I want to understand what you mean when you say bad things about Nintendo....
I think you thought I was arguing something like that all games should be mature, and that Nintendo sucks because it doesn't make enough R rated games. I was giving a point of view. I wasn't trying to say bad things about Nintendo and design them to hurt other video game fan people's feelings.
I do advocate that more companies make games for adult gamers and consider the mental capacity of an adult when they do so (which doesn't mean simply bad words and violence). It would be cool.
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Ryu would win.
Terry's an alcoholic bum.
Ryu's a homeless bum, with no relatives, no interestin opposite sex (probably a virgin), and wears the dirty dougi all the time. (eeew.) Oh, and walks around the globe barefoot,and is always broke.
Oh, we're not comparing who's the higher bum? my bad.
Tio: Since when is Terry alcoholic?
In the cartoon he gets drunk.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 590th Post
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|  "Re(7): Fading. Rising!"
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ooh, Hungrywolf's in a fighting mood today ^_^
anyways, my rant .. i like the characters that Capcom and SNK have come up with. Ryu, Vega (Bison), Terry, Kyo, everyone! i think they're all great! but ugh, i blame both companies for going too far on the crazy scale. first, i didn't like how Vega charged up his psycho power with all that zany machinery. i thought he was way cooler when he was a king pin drug dealer that everyone wanted dead. second, you have no idea how much i hate that every fking SNK boss is a god (with a few exceptions, Geese included. speaking of Geese, ARGH ONSLAUGHT >_< hehe i won't even bother arguing. i've told Geese's story one too many times. just imagine me yelling at you), and even so, how the hell can the Kusanagi flame be strong enough to defeat Omega Rugal?!! i still don't know how that was supposed to have taken place. C'MON CHRIST GIMME A BETTER REASON THAN "As Kyo was almost defeated by Omega Rugal, Saishu whispered 'Orochi' and that name alone drove Kyo to pull off his Kyo Super Flaming Lame Attack for the very first time!! Which defeated Rugal and .." you get my point. what a lame, lame story. shame on you, SNK! shame on you!! as much as i put the punk down, i like Kyo. i like his wicked chews and how he dresses and looks, but i absolutely hate his cocky attitude. because he's so full of himself, i don't think that Kyo's raw power alone can defeat Terry (i can't believe you said that, Rugalbernstein!! ARGH i'm too tired. imagine more yelling). but since Kyo's becoming more mature (well, not being some punk kid in the newer kofs), i think in a future kof, he'd be strong enough to take on Terry. as for the Terry vs Ryu battle, i think it's a coin toss. c'mon, everyone, we all know they're both tough bastards. they've proved themselves time and time and time again. no need to sort out each situation as to who's the strongest. they're both strong and that's that
oh yea, when i think about things, Terry seems to be a lot like Ken -- great personality, although i think Terry would be able to beat Ken in a battle. likewise, Ryu seems to be a lot like Andy -- they both train nonstop (for their own reasons, of course), and i think Ryu would defeat Andy in a battle
with all of my opinions of "who would beat who" in a fight, i don't mean they'd absolutely slaughter the other. i mean, they'd barely win. everyone i've mentioned is a great fighter
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I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
agreed. why the hell did they put Kyo? CvS doesn't make sense sometimes
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| Shin ATproof 701th Post
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| "Re(8): Fading. Rising!" , posted Tue 2 Jul 05:19
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how the hell can the Kusanagi flame be strong enough to defeat Omega Rugal?!! i still don't know how that was supposed to have taken place. C'MON CHRIST GIMME A BETTER REASON THAN "As Kyo was almost defeated by Omega Rugal, Saishu whispered 'Orochi' and that name alone drove Kyo to pull off his Kyo Super Flaming Lame Attack for the very first time!! Which defeated Rugal and .." you get my point. what a lame, lame story. shame on you, SNK! shame on you!!
Okay...Kusanagi/Hassaku crimson flames are Anti-Orochi weapons. Since Rugal got Orochi power he became more vulnerable to Kyo's attacks than normal(and at normal he got his ass kicked) Omega Rugal was going to win but his body could not withstand the awesome power of Orochi.
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as much as i put the punk down, i like Kyo. i like his wicked chews and how he dresses and looks, but i absolutely hate his cocky attitude. because he's so full of himself, i don't think that Kyo's raw power alone can defeat Terry (i can't believe you said that, Rugalbernstein!! ARGH i'm too tired. imagine more yelling).
If you had a 1800 year family history of top notch bad ass fighters I think you would be overconfident and a blowhard as well...I know I would.
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but since Kyo's becoming more mature (well, not being some punk kid in the newer kofs), i think in a future kof, he'd be strong enough to take on Terry.
After 96 Kyo got much more serious since he realized his destiny and what he could do if he tried his best. Hence why we get a more calm, clear head, stone cold warrior Kyo in 99 and on. Oh and I think it's established pretty well that Kyo and Terry are are at the very least equals in strength...none of us will truly know who is the stronger since in 94 Terry threw the fight against Kyo and since 95 Terry has taken a supporting cast role in the KoF games...SNK seems to not want to upset the Kyo and Terry fans by stating which is stronger than the other.
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I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
agreed. why the hell did they put Kyo? CvS doesn't make sense sometimes
Since Ryu is the heart of the Street Fighter series an Kyo is the heart of the KoF series(94 and on)and since CvS is mostly Street Fighter vs King of Fighters the rivalry is Ryu vs Kyo...Personally I think the Rivalry should have been Ryu vs Terry and Alex vs Kyo.
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| Hungrywolf 1118th Post
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| "Re(9): Fading. Rising!" , posted Tue 2 Jul 09:08
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how the hell can the Kusanagi flame be strong enough to defeat Omega Rugal?!! i still don't know how that was supposed to have taken place. C'MON CHRIST GIMME A BETTER REASON THAN "As Kyo was almost defeated by Omega Rugal, Saishu whispered 'Orochi' and that name alone drove Kyo to pull off his Kyo Super Flaming Lame Attack for the very first time!! Which defeated Rugal and .." you get my point. what a lame, lame story. shame on you, SNK! shame on you!!
Okay...Kusanagi/Hassaku crimson flames are Anti-Orochi weapons. Since Rugal got Orochi power he became more vulnerable to Kyo's attacks than normal(and at normal he got his ass kicked) Omega Rugal was going to win but his body could not withstand the awesome power of Orochi.
as much as i put the punk down, i like Kyo. i like his wicked chews and how he dresses and looks, but i absolutely hate his cocky attitude. because he's so full of himself, i don't think that Kyo's raw power alone can defeat Terry (i can't believe you said that, Rugalbernstein!! ARGH i'm too tired. imagine more yelling).
If you had a 1800 year family history of top notch bad ass fighters I think you would be overconfident and a blowhard as well...I know I would.
but since Kyo's becoming more mature (well, not being some punk kid in the newer kofs), i think in a future kof, he'd be strong enough to take on Terry.
After 96 Kyo got much more serious since he realized his destiny and what he could do if he tried his best. Hence why we get a more calm, clear head, stone cold warrior Kyo in 99 and on. Oh and I think it's established pretty well that Kyo and Terry are are at the very least equals in strength...none of us will truly know who is the stronger since in 94 Terry threw the fight against Kyo and since 95 Terry has taken a supporting cast role in the KoF games...SNK seems to not want to upset the Kyo and Terry fans by stating which is stronger than the other.
I think Terry and Ryu would be better rivals than Ryu and Kyo. They are just about equal in a lot of things.
agreed. why the hell did they put Kyo? CvS doesn't make sense sometimes
Since Ryu is the heart of the Street Fighter series an Kyo is the heart of the KoF series(94 and on)and since CvS is mostly Street Fighter vs King of Fighters the rivalry is Ryu vs Kyo...Personally I think the Rivalry should have been Ryu vs Terry and Alex vs Kyo.
I agree with both JJJ and Shin. I do think the fight with Terry and Ryu could go either way, but I pick Terry to win. Why? Because he's my favorite character. It's that simple. But I never said that Ryu wouldn't even put up anything that would resemble a fight (which that guy at the Capcom board DID say about Terry). Anyway, Terry wouldn't beat Ryu bad, it would be fairly even, Terry is just my pick though. I think they have equal strength (though gamewise, Ryu has mad priority in CvS2). I like Kyo too, I really do. I think that his cocky ver. would get beat by Terry while they would be more even in his current ver. Oh, and Shin, what is the story of Terry throwing the fight in 94? I've never heard that... Yeah, Terry and Ryu make better rivals, and Kyo would be better rivaled with Alex. Although really I think a rivalry with K' and Alex would fit really good....
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| Hungrywolf 1120th Post
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| "Re(1):URGE TO KILL RISING!!!!" , posted Tue 2 Jul 13:26
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Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
Well, I had called that guy a jerk but I've apologized and we basically agreed to disagree, but he still doesn't think an expert Terry player could beat his Ryu. He considers himself an expert Ryu player. I've seen expert Terry players beat expert Ryu players though, so I don't know why he is being so freakin' cocky, but I decided not to get into another argument with him, it's pointless. Here's another interersting comment that was posted there today by a different person.....
"Ryu would smoke terry like a joint.
SNK SUCKS, SO DO ALL THE SUPPOSED FANS THAT LET THE SO CALLED FIGHTING GAME GIANT GO BANKRUPT.
I know they are active again, but seriously can you imagine street fighter fans letting capcom go bankrupt......hah it wont happen us street fighter guys buy support our fav games."
I decided to make a comment about how it's not the SNK fans fault, because there are fewer SNK fans than Capcom fans and I mentioned some other stuff, but I didn't try to argue with him, cause I'd just get more pissed off, and I need to relax. I knew there was a reason I stopped talking to people there, and now I know why.
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| Juan 2163th Post
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| "Re(2):URGE TO KILL RISING!!!!" , posted Tue 2 Jul 13:54
Just to put my two cents on the Ryu vs Terry thing, it would be close, and they would beat each other real good, but Ryu seems more obssessed errr diciplined and dedicated than Terry.
So in the end Ryu shoryukens Terry back to the 80's :)
quote:
Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
Well, I had called that guy a jerk but I've apologized and we basically agreed to disagree, but he still doesn't think an expert Terry player could beat his Ryu. He considers himself an expert Ryu player. I've seen expert Terry players beat expert Ryu players though, so I don't know why he is being so freakin' cocky, but I decided not to get into another argument with him, it's pointless. Here's another interersting comment that was posted there today by a different person.....
"Ryu would smoke terry like a joint.
SNK SUCKS, SO DO ALL THE SUPPOSED FANS THAT LET THE SO CALLED FIGHTING GAME GIANT GO BANKRUPT.
I know they are active again, but seriously can you imagine street fighter fans letting capcom go bankrupt......hah it wont happen us street fighter guys buy support our fav games."
I decided to make a comment about how it's not the SNK fans fault, because there are fewer SNK fans than Capcom fans and I mentioned some other stuff, but I didn't try to argue with him, cause I'd just get more pissed off, and I need to relax. I knew there was a reason I stopped talking to people there, and now I know why.
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| Ultima 266th Post
Copper Customer
| "Re(4):they are both bums." , posted Wed 3 Jul 13:21
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Oh my dog thats hilarious! Could you please scan that picture? please please?
Don't have a scanner; but I do have a digital camera. I can email it to you once I get my internet connection situated (Switching servers at the moment at home so I'm surfing during lunch time at work.)
Oh no. I *MUST* see this. This must be shared with the world. Can I get a copt e-mailed to me as well please? jas2842@rit.edu ^_^
Concerning the Ryu vs. Terry thing, it would be probably be close, but I think Ryu's got the edge. Ryu does *nothing* but train, while Terry's got a number of distractions.
It's very difficult to compare Capcom and SNK characters because their power levels are different. Typically, SNK characters tend to be a lot more powerful (Orochi clan, Iori, Kyo, etc) than the Capcom characters, who are a lot more down to earth in the power department.
Furthermore, Terry really hasn't done much in SNK-land. He's beaten Geese, what, twice (Fatal Fury 1 and Real Bout), and what else? He obviously hasn't won a KoF (post FF1, aka KoF91) yet, so there's no telling how well he's done there. Frankly, we have no idea just how strong Terry really is (either in the present or by the time of MOTW). It's not like Kyo and Iori, who seem to beat those damn god-like SNK bosses on a regular basis (at least up to end of Orochi saga - don't get me started on those new losers post KoF98).
BTW, *did* Terry beat Krauser in FF2? FF2/Special seems to be something of an after-thought these days. Does anyone have All About SNK? I have it, but can't read it well at all. :(
Interestingly, Ryu is said to have massive potential in the SF games, but his actual win record is shoddy. He won SF1 by beating a number of characters including Sagat, he's beaten Sean in 2I (I think) and Alex in 3S, but he's done little else. He has losses to Ken (A2), Sagat (A3), and Oro (2I), he's been brainwashed by Bison (A3) and had to get help from Sagat, Ken and Sakura to break free, and in his one fight with Akuma, Akuma went easy on him. It's only because others are so interested in him (Bison, Akuma, Oro) that Ryu is thought of as being really powerful.
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| Hungrywolf 1130th Post
Red Carpet Premium Member+
| "Re(5):they are both bums." , posted Wed 3 Jul 13:26
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Oh my dog thats hilarious! Could you please scan that picture? please please?
Don't have a scanner; but I do have a digital camera. I can email it to you once I get my internet connection situated (Switching servers at the moment at home so I'm surfing during lunch time at work.)
Oh no. I *MUST* see this. This must be shared with the world. Can I get a copt e-mailed to me as well please? jas2842@rit.edu ^_^
Concerning the Ryu vs. Terry thing, it would be probably be close, but I think Ryu's got the edge. Ryu does *nothing* but train, while Terry's got a number of distractions.
It's very difficult to compare Capcom and SNK characters because their power levels are different. Typically, SNK characters tend to be a lot more powerful (Orochi clan, Iori, Kyo, etc) than the Capcom characters, who are a lot more down to earth in the power department.
Furthermore, Terry really hasn't done much in SNK-land. He's beaten Geese, what, twice (Fatal Fury 1 and Real Bout), and what else? He obviously hasn't won a KoF (post FF1, aka KoF91) yet, so there's no telling how well he's done there. Frankly, we have no idea just how strong Terry really is (either in the present or by the time of MOTW). It's not like Kyo and Iori, who seem to beat those damn god-like SNK bosses on a regular basis (at least up to end of Orochi saga - don't get me started on those new losers post KoF98).
BTW, *did* Terry beat Krauser in FF2? FF2/Special seems to be something of an after-thought these days. Does anyone have All About SNK? I have it, but can't read it well at all. :(
Interestingly, Ryu is said to have massive potential in the SF games, but his actual win record is shoddy. He won SF1 by beating a number of characters including Sagat, he's beaten Sean in 2I (I think) and Alex in 3S, but he's done little else. He has losses to Ken (A2), Sagat (A3), and Oro (2I), he's been brainwashed by Bison (A3) and had to get help from Sagat, Ken and Sakura to break free, and in his one fight with Akuma, Akuma went easy on him. It's only because others are so interested in him (Bison, Akuma, Oro) that Ryu is thought of as being really powerful.
Yes, Terry beat Krauser. And while he hasn't won any of the team KoFs, he was the champion of the KoF Tourney held by Geese and then held by Krauser, I believe. Why hasn't he won any of the team KoFs? I don't know, but I don't think that means he isn't as good as Kyo or Iori....
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| DKW
110th Post
Regular Customer
| "Fix! Fix! :-P" , posted Thu 4 Jul 12:48
Okay...two points in the OP, better cover both.
Re: So and so would beat so and so else.
Am I the only one who finds these arguments not only silly, but completely pointless? Look, these people do face each other, all the time. There were TWO GAMES that pitted Terry (and bunch of other SNK champs) against Ryu (and Capcom's side). We can not only see the matches, we can play them. And once you've played Ryu vs. Terry enough times (preferably in Single mode, so it's a fair 'n square deal)...or anyone against anyone else, for that matter...you'll come to this one inescapable conclusion: nobody owns anybody. Oh, sure, there are certain matchups where one person has the advantage (more so in some games than others, e.g. Art of Fighting 2), but you can't possibly claim that someone would ALWAYS beat someone else. And certainly not on the basis of something as vague as "focus" or "relative power". Although they don't always succeed, fighting game programmers at least try to make everyone as balanced as possible, effectively nullifying any "inherent" advantages and even adding handicaps if the character's just too powerful...nb. Akuma taking more damage than anyone else.
"But what if they met in real life..." They're never going to meet in real life, they're fictional characters.
"But based on such-and-such in real life..." Ludicrous. It's plainly obvious that real life physics, styles, abilities etc. don't apply. Do YOU know anyone that can do a Power Geyser?
"But according to the story..." Hey, I like stories as much as the next game fan. Even wrote quite a few myself. But just because Shingo Yabuki defiantly stands up to Ron in one of my fanscripts does not mean that he'll do so good against him when the meet in a game. Of course, since Ron has yet to take in active role in a KOF game, we don't yet know if my assessment of Shingo's bravado (i.e. he really could take this guy) is accurate.
"But CvS2 is a DREEEEAM MAAAATCH, so the fights in it don't count!" Aside from Capcom making it patently obvious that they intended CvS to be the next "canon" storyline after SF3, exactly how would a real/canon/bleck matchup between Terry and Ryu be any different? Dreamy or not, the relative strengths and weaknesses have to come from somewhere.
In short - Even match. Easily verifiable. Dumb argument.
Re: Nintendo a "kiddy" company.
Okay, this is probably overstating it a bit, but take it from me, those detractors weren't kidding.
I held out for the longest time before buying a Super NES. I liked my old NES, I liked the fact that I had all the necessary peripherals for it, and I wasn't thrilled about starting over with a system that, quite frankly, didn't strike me as all that better. But finding NES games to rent was becoming impossible, so I reluctantly laid out almost $150 for the system and a joystick (and one rental, IIRC). It started out fine. The games were good and available for a reasonable price. I liked this new system.
And then Mortal Kombat happened. Although the massive hysteria went as quickly as it came, it had one absolutely horrible legacy. Nintendo, instead of presenting the game as they should have, or not even trying to port the game at all (which, considering its quality, probably would've been the smart move), removed ALL traces of blood and violence, everything that made MK what it was.
And the, the fall...declaring the Super NES a "family" system.
Look, I got nothing against family/G rated/"SUITABLE FOR ALL AGES" games. Some of my favorite games, like Pop 'n Music and Swing Away Golf, are fun for the whole family. But declaring the entire company to be dedicated to "family" games only, and having to refuse all manner of great games that happen to be a little bloody or gory, is something that a comapny that's trying to compete in a free market and market its system <<TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE IT AND DON'T GIVE A RAT'S BUTT ABOUT "FAMILY" CONCERNS>> is something that any company simply cannot do. It's like Nissan refusing to build SUV's because they're a "small-to-midsize car" company, or Sony not making DVD players because they "don't want to alienate the VCR market".
It was an absolutely senseless, stupid decision. I mean, if they went the other way...if they decided that they were only going to do M-rated/mature/"adult"/violent games, at least there's a market for that. Who the hell wants a video game system where everything is guarnateed to be safe for all ages? Hell, any parent that worried wouldn't shop for one in the first place!
I suffered through one horribly stripped-down, stomach-churningly kiddified game after another on the Super NES because of this execrable policy, and that alone turned me off to their systems for good. Think about it. Thankfully, they finally came to their senses just as the Gamecube was getting ready for launch, but it's too late for me; I already have a Dreamcast and PS2, and there's nothing the Gamecube has that what I got now don't.
PS: I don't give a damn about the stupid letters. I don't care what anyone says, Silent Scope is not an M game. Maybe "T+", but not M. I've been in soccer games with more blood.
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| Freeter 2859th Post
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| "Re(1):Fix! Fix! :-P" , posted Thu 4 Jul 19:48
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And then Mortal Kombat happened. Although the massive hysteria went as quickly as it came, it had one absolutely horrible legacy. Nintendo, instead of presenting the game as they should have, or not even trying to port the game at all (which, considering its quality, probably would've been the smart move), removed ALL traces of blood and violence, everything that made MK what it was.
And the, the fall...declaring the Super NES a "family" system.
Look, I got nothing against family/G rated/"SUITABLE FOR ALL AGES" games. Some of my favorite games, like Pop 'n Music and Swing Away Golf, are fun for the whole family. But declaring the entire company to be dedicated to "family" games only, and having to refuse all manner of great games that happen to be a little bloody or gory, is something that a comapny that's trying to compete in a free market and market its system <<TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE IT AND DON'T GIVE A RAT'S BUTT ABOUT "FAMILY" CONCERNS>> is something that any company simply cannot do. It's like Nissan refusing to build SUV's because they're a "small-to-midsize car" company, or Sony not making DVD players because they "don't want to alienate the VCR market".
It was an absolutely senseless, stupid decision. I mean, if they went the other way...if they decided that they were only going to do M-rated/mature/"adult"/violent games, at least there's a market for that. Who the hell wants a video game system where everything is guarnateed to be safe for all ages? Hell, any parent that worried wouldn't shop for one in the first place!
I suffered through one horribly stripped-down, stomach-churningly kiddified game after another on the Super NES because of this execrable policy, and that alone turned me off to their systems for good. Think about it. Thankfully, they finally came to their senses just as the Gamecube was getting ready for launch, but it's too late for me; I already have a Dreamcast and PS2, and there's nothing the Gamecube has that what I got now don't.
PS: I don't give a damn about the stupid letters. I don't care what anyone says, Silent Scope is not an M game. Maybe "T+", but not M. I've been in soccer games with more blood.
The whole MK1 fiasco must've affected Nintendo somewhat, because MK2 was released with all the gore intact.
They also let Rare keep all the moves in Killer Instinct(even Orchid's "strip" fatality made it in).
Nintendo has pretty much established themselves as the Disney of the video game industry, but I bet that image isn't bothering them the least bit. The software is selling, and they're allowing "mature" games to be released on their systems also(Resident Evil exclusivity, Eternal Darkness, etc.).
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 600th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
|  "nevermind -_-"
, posted Thu 4 Jul 21:38
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Okay...Kusanagi/Hassaku crimson flames are Anti-Orochi weapons. Since Rugal got Orochi power he became more vulnerable to Kyo's attacks than normal(and at normal he got his ass kicked) Omega Rugal was going to win but his body could not withstand the awesome power of Orochi.
oh yea, that makes sense. i forgot all about the most important part of Omega Rugal ... that Orochi stirring in him. ugh, Kyo still annoys the hell out of me
If you had a 1800 year family history of top notch bad ass fighters I think you would be overconfident and a blowhard as well...I know I would.
i honestly don't think i would
whenever i play any game, my friends always expect me to win somehow. even if i'm losing, they still approach me with caution, knowing that i still have a trick or two up my sleeve. i'm not bragging or anything; just trying to explain something. anyways, winning's usually a norm with me ever since i was a kid, and you'll never find me boasting at someone about how i just beat them (unless i'm being an ass, but hehe that's another story)
a win's a win. it could've turned out as a loss just as easily. nothing to be that proud of. it's just how i see it -_-
hm, i take back my statement. now that i think back, i used to be a jerk to everyone about everything for no reason -_- it wasn't until a year or so ago when i started to change (watching Kenshin took some part of that change)
oh yea, i've given it some thought and i realize why i dislike Kyo so much. i thought i'd post it so Kyo fans won't have too much of a grudge against me
first, he's cocky -- not a good feature
second, he's young and already so powerful -- so many other fighters have trained a lot harder than him and still he comes out on top when it comes to power. it just sickens me. it's also why i think the idea of "tiers" in a game is bullsht. yes, some characters do have an advantage over others, but i honestly believe that any character can take out any other character
third and probably the most important reason, he always wins -- in real life, the good guy doesn't always win. it's also the reason why i dislike pokemon. Ash doesn't win every battle, but close to all of them. i think my favorite episode of pokemon is .... (ehh, it isn't much but i'll spoiler it)
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
when Gary's Eevee beats the crap out of Pikachu
End of Spoiler
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| Shin ATproof 707th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(1):nevermind -_-" , posted Fri 5 Jul 03:39
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oh yea, i've given it some thought and i realize why i dislike Kyo so much. i thought i'd post it so Kyo fans won't have too much of a grudge against me
first, he's cocky -- not a good feature
second, he's young and already so powerful -- so many other fighters have trained a lot harder than him and still he comes out on top when it comes to power. it just sickens me. it's also why i think the idea of "tiers" in a game is bullsht. yes, some characters do have an advantage over others, but i honestly believe that any character can take out any other character
third and probably the most important reason, he always wins -- in real life, the good guy doesn't always win. it's also the reason why i dislike pokemon.
Okay let's clear up a few things:
1)I think Kyo said something like "Reikishi ga chigaundayo" Nobody in the KoF universe has a family history as great as the Kusanagi's! The simple fact that they are world saving martial arts badasses with the power to wield fire because they are instruments of god! Kyo has a bloody good reason to be a boaster and braggart. However in each KoF Kyo has been in he becomes more and more serious and becomes less and less cocky. 2K1 Kyo is VERY different compared to 94 Kyo.
2)Kyo trained to be a great fighter since childhood...just like the other SNK greats such as Terry, Ryo, Haohmaru, etc. Just as Rome wasn't built in a day, Kyo's power to be ranked as high as the other high tiered characters took years and years from childhood to adulthood to be as strong as he was in KoF94 and then had to basically re-learn his martial art, Kusanagi-ryu, shortly after the 95 tournament because he got his ass handed to him by Goenitz. Kyo barely wins if at all given that he usually needs help to take on demi-gods or gods given that without Iori, Kyo and Chizuru would have lost to both Goenitz and Orochi and chances are that Kyo would have been flat out destroyed by Omega Rugal if it wasn't for the fact that normal humans cannot simply absorb the Orochi power and expect to live very long...
3)Tiers gameplay-wise is a principle of which characters have a better ability of winning than another. This is based on a function of priority. Yes, any character can beat any character but if put in the capable hands of certain individuals certain characters have an advantage if only slightly. This is something that exists in most fighters. There is a reason why in MvC2 a AHVBx3 is godly or why in KoF98 Goro ownz everyone.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 602th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(2):nevermind -_-" , posted Fri 5 Jul 07:45
the things were already clear. with me, at least
"1)"
i already mentioned how he's become more mature, even in my first post
"2)"
i said "fighters have trained a lot harder than him," i never said how long Kyo's been training. i know he's been training since he was a kid. in a few of the ending images for '98, it shows Saishu training a young Kyo
now compare Kyo to Andy or Robert, for example. they [Andy and Robert] also started training at a young age, and they may even train harder than Kyo at present (Andy especially. he's SNK's Ryu when it comes to training), but who would come out on top in a fight? that's right. you already know the answer
about the "gods" part, i already mentioned how SNK sickens me that they pit their heros against gods
"3)"
"Tiers gameplay-wise is a principle of which characters have a better ability of winning than another." yea, that seems to be the technical term. but you know most people see it as "this guy's better than that guy and will almost always win." look back at when those Shoryuken CvS2 videos were posted. people were AMAZED that a Maki player took down a Sagat player, as if it was divine intervention. look back to the ggx tier thread. one argument i remembered was "well, that Johnny (Johnny, who is a top tier, of course) player mustn't have been very good"
of course "tiers" (as your definition puts it) exist. otherwise, there'd be no difference between Omega Rugal and Kyo, or Shin Gouki and Ryu
i should've given up on this thread instead of trying to redeem myself. sorry if i hit a nerve earlier by bashing Kyo if that's what got you riled up. it annoys the hell out of me when people bash some of my favorites. if your grudge is against any misinformation coming from me, i also know where you're coming from. lots of jackasses out there who feed the public tripe. i just threw in my two cents
and now i'm done with this thread
(ugh, tired now. now you know why i dislike arguments, heh. such a draining feat that usually accomplishes so little)
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| Burning Kyo 512th Post
New Red Carpet Member
|  "Re(3):nevermind -_-"
, posted Fri 5 Jul 12:28:
quote:
the things were already clear. with me, at least
"1)"
i already mentioned how he's become more mature, even in my first post
"2)"
i said "fighters have trained a lot harder than him," i never said how long Kyo's been training. i know he's been training since he was a kid. in a few of the ending images for '98, it shows Saishu training a young Kyo
now compare Kyo to Andy or Robert, for example. they [Andy and Robert] also started training at a young age, and they may even train harder than Kyo at present (Andy especially. he's SNK's Ryu when it comes to training), but who would come out on top in a fight? that's right. you already know the answer
about the "gods" part, i already mentioned how SNK sickens me that they pit their heros against gods
"3)"
"Tiers gameplay-wise is a principle of which characters have a better ability of winning than another." yea, that seems to be the technical term. but you know most people see it as "this guy's better than that guy and will almost always win." look back at when those Shoryuken CvS2 videos were posted. people were AMAZED that a Maki player took down a Sagat player, as if it was divine intervention. look back to the ggx tier thread. one argument i remembered was "well, that Johnny (Johnny, who is a top tier, of course) player mustn't have been very good"
of course "tiers" (as your definition puts it) exist. otherwise, there'd be no difference between Omega Rugal and Kyo, or Shin Gouki and Ryu
i should've given up on this thread instead of trying to redeem myself. sorry if i hit a nerve earlier by bashing Kyo if that's what got you riled up. it annoys the hell out of me when people bash some of my favorites. if your grudge is against any misinformation coming from me, i also know where you're coming from. lots of jackasses out there who feed the public tripe. i just threw in my two cents
and now i'm done with this thread
(ugh, tired now. now you know why i dislike arguments, heh. such a draining feat that usually accomplishes so little)
Wow ! so many guys who dislike Kyo ...
(^o-)/ hé hé ... Moetarô !
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| ONSLAUGHT 2154th Post
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master
| "..." , posted Fri 5 Jul 21:47
quote:
Re: So and so would beat so and so else.
Am I the only one who finds these arguments not only silly, but completely pointless? more blood.
Well, if we can't discusse things like this, what's the point of having characters with personality, story, background and stuff, if nothing of that counts according to you? We must put two sticks to fight each other according to your logic...
We discusse this because we love these characters, and as I said in another post, we live them, we suffer, we enjoy, we cry, we laugh with them...
If you don't like that, or don't feel that way, please shut up, and go to a reality based forum, this is a videogame forum dammit...
Certainly you don't see me telling religious people that they are silly for worshipping a fictional character...
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| DKW
111th Post
Regular Customer
| "Um, Onslaught..." , posted Sat 6 Jul 22:17
One, no one tells me to shut up, dammit. Well, you can TELL me to shut up; I just refuse to comply.
Two, you obviously didn't read my entire post, because then you would've found out why I found these arguments pointless. (I know I write long, but all those words are there for a reason.)
To reiterate: The reason this argument is pointless is that there are not one, but TWO games where Terry and Ryu face each other. The whole point of a "who would win" thread is comparing two characters who'd normally never face each otehr. Once they do face each other, there's no more point in speculating, since the matchup is right there, plain as day, in front of your own faces.
The fact that these people have widely differing personalities, motives, aspirations, ambitions, hopes, fears, abilities etc. does not change the fact that fighting game programmers always strive for at least a semblance of balance. These are even battles. Therefore, no one wins or loses all the time. Occasionally there's someone who wins or loses MUCH of the time (cf. Dan Hibiki, Ultimate Rugal), but certainly no one who does so ALL the time.
Now, if you're arguing who should win the matchup, based on story elements or whatever...well, I don't even want to go there, because it's purely a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't subscribe to the theory that certain people are genetically/religiously predisposed to triumph over all (and Kyo Kusanagi has gotta be one of the least convincing characters in that regard), but obviously many others do, and I'd rather concentrate on winning the matchups in the game, where it counts, rather than arguing who's karma is bigger.
Oh yeah, Nintendo...I mention that they've largely reversed their family-above-all, mainly because trying to sell a kiddie system in today's market is suicide. It's a welcome step forward, but, alas, too little, too late for me.
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| Hungrywolf 1143th Post
Red Carpet Premium Member+
| "Re(2):they are both bums." , posted Sun 7 Jul 05:32
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I can't see how Ryu could possibly win. he's kind of pathetic...
If I spent 30 years trying to become stronger like he has from SF alpha to SF3 I would like to learn at least one new move on my trip... Great Job Ryu, 30 years after you've begun your journey to become the strongest, you still have the exact same technique as before...
maybe you should just go to the gym? because by becoming stronger you obviously mean toning up rather than advancing your technique.
Personally, I think Kyo and Terry are pretty equal, and they would both probably rip Ryu up... They could just.... change their strategy? Fight differently? There's an idea for you Ryu, almost as good as you changing into something other than that old Gi.
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Metroid seems pretty mature, but Zelda took a step in the other direction. it's very kiddy now. Star Fox is border line kiddy and Mario has always been pretty kiddy. The cartoon network is good when they're playing anime and I like Iced Tea. ^__^ Lots to cover! hehe.
I could argue that Zelda has always been kiddy, since I don't think Majora's Mask or OoT can hardly be considered T or M. I mean, they are great games. Just because of the way Zelda "looks" it's called kiddy now, so therefore all Zelda games have to be kiddy (specially if the story and gameplay of the new game hold true to other Zelda games). And so if something's always been "kiddy" then there is no problem with it still being "kiddy." I just hate the word "kiddy" though, and don't know any little kids who can beat a lot of the original games of some of these "kiddy" series.
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| Ted 659th Post
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| "I support your View Terry #1" , posted Sun 7 Jul 05:42
quote:
Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
Terry and Ryu...........
that should have been the Match of the Millenium........
Besides it would draw more of a crowd and attention than ryu vs kyo.......
besides kyo has a hard time handling that bum iori and terry vs ryu would be GREAT!
Play TED on Kawaks or Kalliera!
just Look me up online or Post a CHallage!
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| Hungrywolf 1144th Post
Red Carpet Premium Member+
| "Re(1):I support your View Terry #1" , posted Sun 7 Jul 12:09
quote:
Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
Terry and Ryu...........
that should have been the Match of the Millenium........
Besides it would draw more of a crowd and attention than ryu vs kyo.......
besides kyo has a hard time handling that bum iori and terry vs ryu would be GREAT!
Hey Ted, haven't seen you around in a while.
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| Ted 661th Post
Red Carpet Regular Member
| "Re(2):I support your View Terry #1" , posted Sun 7 Jul 15:10
quote:
Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
Terry and Ryu...........
that should have been the Match of the Millenium........
Besides it would draw more of a crowd and attention than ryu vs kyo.......
besides kyo has a hard time handling that bum iori and terry vs ryu would be GREAT!
Hey Ted, haven't seen you around in a while.
HEY HEY!
Ive Been around...Here and There......Mostly on Kawaks beating teams of kyo iori k shingo etc etc thats all.....
WHat have I missed!
Play TED on Kawaks or Kalliera!
just Look me up online or Post a CHallage!
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| Hungrywolf 1146th Post
Red Carpet Premium Member+
| "Re(3):I support your View Terry #1" , posted Sun 7 Jul 17:31
quote:
Ok, this is obviously not something I said.........
"Terry Bogard: debatably, would not be able to tread water against Ryu in anything that would resemble a fight (Though I have the utmost respect for him as a fighter with the most unusual fighting form)" but was said by some Capcom fanboy in response to when I said I thought Terry would win in a fight against Ryu but that Ryu could possibly beat Kyo. I mean, I thought I was being reasonable, I wasn't saying Ryu would suck in the fight (Seriously though, Terry would so kick his butt), here I go ranting. I just don't see how he can claim to have respect for Terry and say Terry wouldn't even tread water in anything that would resemble a fight against Ryu. Oh well. Also, people saying Nintendo is "kiddy" are really starting to piss me off recently, but those are people I've talked to face to face. I don't know why everyone wants every game to be rated M. I mean, T ratings are also not kiddy, so Nintendo is definately not "kiddy." People just don't get it. Of course, this guy was saying I should've gotten an X-box instead, and though I do like X-box, I don't like it near as much as anything Nintendo makes and wouldn't be able to get my Mario and Zelda fix on it. Nor my Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc etc (more fun 4 player games). Why can't people understand that it's just my preference, I don't get on their case when they buy an X-box or PS2 over GCN, that's what THEY wanted, GCN is what I wanted. *sigh* sorry, had to get that out, it was really making me angry, I feel better. On a lighter note, Eternal Darkness has been driving me insane (such a great game) and, although the CvS2 tournament that was supposed to go down yesterday didn't take place (because people didn't show up, only about 12 to 15 of us), we still had a great time playing CvS2 for 4+ hours. I also saw a movie for the new Turok game that is being made and it looks really nice, plus it's gonna be multi-platform, so everyone can get this game (which should be really good).
Terry and Ryu...........
that should have been the Match of the Millenium........
Besides it would draw more of a crowd and attention than ryu vs kyo.......
besides kyo has a hard time handling that bum iori and terry vs ryu would be GREAT!
Hey Ted, haven't seen you around in a while.
HEY HEY!
Ive Been around...Here and There......Mostly on Kawaks beating teams of kyo iori k shingo etc etc thats all.....
WHat have I missed!
Don't know that you've missed anything, but it's good to see you around again. If you haven't been to my site, Ted, you should go, I have a Terry section on it. Link Here
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