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Hungrywolf

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"Who made World Heroes?" , posted Sun 23 Jun 10:53

Someone is telling me that it was made by SNK but I thought another company made it....

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Freeter

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"Re(1):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Sun 23 Jun 11:02

quote:
Someone is telling me that it was made by SNK but I thought another company made it....

ADK.

talbaineric

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"Re(2):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Sun 23 Jun 11:37

Heh heh,I remember this game. Grrrr.....one of the most crappiest and stereotyped games of all time.

dorikyasu

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"Re(3):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Sun 23 Jun 12:40

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Heh heh,I remember this game. Grrrr.....one of the most crappiest and stereotyped games of all time.

(<- not so proud owner of World Heroes 2 Jet NeoGeo cart)
Yup. Every single game in the entire WH series was crappy, no doubt... It still cracks me up to see how Dragon (a Bruce Lee ripoff) suddenly changed his nationality and became "Kim Dragon", a Korean action star, in #2.

ADK seemed to shape up a bit later with quite playable "Ninja Masters'" though. Wonder whatever happened with them.

Taa kun
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"ADK" , posted Sun 23 Jun 13:17

quote:
ADK.

By the way, this company's frist name was Alpha.
They changed it for ADK with World Heroes 2 isn't it ?

The only thing that counts is that they created the only duel shoot them up : Twinkle Star Sprites.
It's one of the best shoot them up I know.

Nanja Monja !

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Hungrywolf

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"Re(1):ADK" , posted Sun 23 Jun 14:01

quote:
ADK.

By the way, this company's frist name was Alpha.
They changed it for ADK with World Heroes 2 isn't it ?

The only thing that counts is that they created the only duel shoot them up : Twinkle Star Sprites.
It's one of the best shoot them up I know.

Nanja Monja !

Thanks everyone!

YeldellGW
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"Re(4):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Sun 23 Jun 14:08

quote:
(<- not so proud owner of World Heroes 2 Jet NeoGeo cart)
Yup. Every single game in the entire WH series was crappy, no doubt... It still cracks me up to see how Dragon (a Bruce Lee ripoff) suddenly changed his nationality and became "Kim Dragon", a Korean action star, in #2.
ADK seemed to shape up a bit later with quite playable "Ninja Masters'" though. Wonder whatever happened with them.

Personally, I liked the World Heroes series myself. If I didn't enjoyed the 1st game as much as I did; I probably wouldn't have bothered with anything else on the Neo Geo at the time.

sha-v
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"Re(1):ADK" , posted Sun 23 Jun 14:31

quote:

The only thing that counts is that they created the only duel shoot them up : Twinkle Star Sprites.

Not only that, they were even envolved in creating the NeoGeo.

Toxico

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"Re(2):ADK" , posted Sun 23 Jun 17:13

Alpha Denshi was the company original game; they improved quite a bit with WHJ2 & WHP, but I believe that fighting game where not their best...

I still wonder of Twinkle Star Sprotes from DC has something new...

Juan

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"Re(1):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Sun 23 Jun 17:37:

As much of a total ripoff this game was it was actually kinda fun, specially part 2 and Jet. It eventually developed its own cheesy charm we all love.

Too bad none of the WH characters showed up in capcom vs snk (i know its adk, but SNK is just as guilty for letting them appear on the neo geo :D )

SHARK KNUCKLE!

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Someone is telling me that it was made by SNK but I thought another company made it....

http://www.buttermonster.com

[this message was edited by Juan on Sun 23 Jun 17:39]

BlackNinjaVinny
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"Re(2):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Mon 24 Jun 01:04

I do beleive that SNK has some credit in later World Hero releases. Maybe they backed ADK up, for some strange reason...

Taa kun
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"Re(3):ADK" , posted Mon 24 Jun 02:05

quote:
I still wonder of Twinkle Star Sprotes from DC has something new...

WHARGH... No...
It's a shame, it's an arcade port, but it has also loadings, not as long as the NeoGeo CD, but it has loading times...

The bonus version of TSS is the Saturn one, with Meirin sensei...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

hasukii

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"Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ........." , posted Mon 24 Jun 05:15

FIRST use in this series .. and not GAROU ..
this element in this World Heroes Series , will not refill your energy bar , but will reflect some attack ... cough cough .. such as ... cough cough ... FIREBALL !!!

thats why it hooked me up in this game when i first saw it .. ^^;

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"Re(1):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 06:02

It is my understanding that's the WH trade is a thing similar to th one with the MS games:

The take the first game with the name of one of your partenership companies, if the game met success it quickly will be acknowledge as SNK (what happened with MS, I think), unlike what happened with WH.

Taa kun
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"Re(1):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 07:57:

quote:
This element in this World Heroes Series , will not refill your energy bar , but will reflect some attack ... cough cough .. such as ... cough cough ... FIREBALL !!!

This was usefull only and only against projectiles... In this game, never shoot a fireball at your opponent at short range, it will be allways reflected in your face...

And don't forget the reverse throw : counter a throw (even a special) with your own throw...

I remember battles versus Dio, when sometimes, I had to counter about 8 to 10 times a throw... it was my tactic against him : turtle in my corner, when he grabs me, counter throw, and if he counters the counter throw, counter him one more time, till he misses his Nth counter throw...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

[this message was edited by Taa kun on Mon 24 Jun 08:09]

YeldellGW
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"Re(2):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 08:21

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And don't forget the reverse throw : counter a throw (even a special) with your own throw...

I remember battles versus Dio, when sometimes, I had to counter about 8 to 10 times a throw... it was my tactic against him : turtle in my corner, when he grabs me, counter throw, and if he counters the counter throw, counter him one more time, till he misses his Nth counter throw...

This game pretty much showed me how unreliable throws of any kind would be for me. Not to mention how useless anti throw strategies were for me as well. I'm amazed nothings changed after all these years. I still can't stop a throw to save my life.

iggy

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"Re(1):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 08:49

quote:
FIRST use in this series .. and not GAROU ..
this element in this World Heroes Series , will not refill your energy bar , but will reflect some attack ... cough cough .. such as ... cough cough ... FIREBALL !!!

Yes, of course!! I forgot that!
I never played WH much (though I liked many characters in it) but I used to spend DAYS playing Tennis with my friends...
Go, Jeanne, Go! You had the same sword Ivy had, but you, you were french!

Juan

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"Re(2):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 09:01

Silly me how could i forget the reverse throw? that has to be one of the coolest features on that game (specially when playing against a human.)

I also liked the deathmatch feature, specially the spiked walls and the mines.

This game developed its own charm nicely.

quote:

And don't forget the reverse throw : counter a throw (even a special) with your own throw...

http://www.buttermonster.com

Freeter

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"Re(3):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 09:15

quote:
Silly me how could i forget the reverse throw? that has to be one of the coolest features on that game (specially when playing against a human.)

Of course, the CPU always wins the reverse throw wars anyway...

Juan

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"Re(4):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 09:21

Not always, like Taa kun said. You just have to be stubborn.

quote:
Silly me how could i forget the reverse throw? that has to be one of the coolest features on that game (specially when playing against a human.)

Of course, the CPU always wins the reverse throw wars anyway...

http://www.buttermonster.com

Taa kun
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"Re(3):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 09:55

quote:
Silly me how could i forget the reverse throw? that has to be one of the coolest features on that game (specially when playing against a human.)

I know an human player that I hate : I can't counter throw him because I can't understand how he uses throws... but as I say, I can counter throw Dio at max level difficulty...

quote:

I also liked the deathmatch feature, specially the spiked walls and the mines.

It's all about the skinhead deathmatch... lol

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Shapermc
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"Re(4):Dont FORGET - JUST DEFEND TECHNIQUE ..." , posted Mon 24 Jun 10:26

I must not have spent enough time with this game. You all seem to have had much more fun with it than me :P

But serously I own all except Perfect for my MVS and I never really played them that much. I just got more in hope that they got better cuz a friend of mine (Steve) loves WH and I can hope cant I. Jet is one of the best. Can't stand the first one though!

Ishmael
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"Re(2):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Mon 24 Jun 17:35

quote:

Too bad none of the WH characters showed up in capcom vs snk (i know its adk, but SNK is just as guilty for letting them appear on the neo geo :D )

Just use the re-naming option in the color edit mode of CvS2 to re-christen Ryu and Ken as Fuuma and Hanzo [or whatever those two guys were named] and you're more than halfway to having them in the game! ^_^

It's been years since I've played or even thought about WH. Besides that bizzare throw/counter throw thing all I remember is the ability to get a combo by rapidly tapping on one button [and you thought dial-a-combos were easy] and strange things like that one super Rasputin had. Yeesh, what a game.

TheBeast

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"Can I play World Heroes2 and Jet on PC?" , posted Mon 24 Jun 19:43

Since we are on to this topic, I might as well ask this question...

iggy

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"Re(1):Can I play World Heroes2 and Jet on PC?" , posted Mon 24 Jun 22:27

quote:
Since we are on to this topic, I might as well ask this question...

You mean, on an emulator? I gess you can, yes, there's a slot for them in NeoRage, so....(and WP Perfect too)

justicekyo
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"Re(1):ADK" , posted Mon 24 Jun 23:35

quote:
ADK.

By the way, this company's frist name was Alpha.
They changed it for ADK with World Heroes 2 isn't it ?

The only thing that counts is that they created the only duel shoot them up : Twinkle Star Sprites.
It's one of the best shoot them up I know.

Nanja Monja !

they had a few names.

Team Alpha,
Alpha Denshi co
and
Alpha

Freeter

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"Re(2):ADK" , posted Mon 24 Jun 23:45

quote:
they had a few names.

Team Alpha,
Alpha Denshi co
and
Alpha

They also tried to be clever by renaming GanGan using their initials.

"Agressors of Dark Kombat". "ADK".

Honestly, you think YOU could come up with something better?

DKW
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"Ah, my not-so-favorite TLA..." , posted Tue 25 Jun 00:04

I actually saw some potential here, I really did (right around 1993, I was looking for something, anything to take my mind off of SF2). Trouble is, while they were good at making a pretty-looking game, it seemed like they could never be bothered to playtest anything.

The World Heroes games are far from the worst I've ever played, and yet...somehow, there always seemed to be something missing. I liked WH1 at first, but the gameplay was far too limited, even more than FF2. (And the low-punch cheese with Brocken was simply unforgivable.) WH2 was a fine game, and I loved the seesaw life bar option (why hasn't anyone else ever used this?). But it was definitely on the hard side, and Dio...bleck. Jet was fun, and I really enjoyed the big tournament atmosphere, but its replay value was pretty limited. Perfect...well, an abortive attempt into super meters, and that was all she wrote.

Now that Capcom's moved well past SF2-style gameplay, I can look on these games in a more objective light and see that they were...not that great.

But hey, they were fun, right? (Well, a lot of players here seem to agree.) World Heroes was a game for a more innocent time, before everything became choked in balance and fairness and honor etc. etc. And hey, for any company to have the most utterly blatant Ryu clones imaginable (not to mention a pretty impressive Zangief clone), and for Capcom to not even notice...well, that kicks, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, and it's Janne, not Jeanne. Which, I believe, is actually a Swedish name. Which makes sense, really, because she looks far more Swedish than French.

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Taa kun
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"Jeanne is Jeanne d'Arc" , posted Tue 25 Jun 00:59

quote:
WH2 was a fine game, and I loved the seesaw life bar option (why hasn't anyone else ever used this?).

Yeah, this 'balance life bar' was a really good idea.

quote:

Oh, and it's Janne, not Jeanne. Which, I believe, is actually a Swedish name. Which makes sense, really, because she looks far more Swedish than French.

No.
World Heroes was created using the 'heroes' of history.
The full name of Jeanne is Jeanne d'Arc (!!!), just like the real name of J. Carn is Gengiss Kahn, and so on...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

iggy

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"Re(1):Ah, my not-so-favorite TLA..." , posted Tue 25 Jun 02:29

quote:
And hey, for any company to have the most utterly blatant Ryu clones imaginable (not to mention a pretty impressive Zangief clone), and for Capcom to not even notice...well, that kicks, as far as I'm concerned.

Not only Ryu/Ken... Is there anybody on earth that didn't think "Dahlsim?" when they first saw Broken?
But the fun part is that Dragon was cloned by Capcom after that... (yes, I know, a bruce lee clone always looks like another bruce lee clone, but....)

tweleve
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"The Devil made it." , posted Wed 26 Jun 03:36

That game arose, steaming, straight from the eternal fires of hell.

00100.01001.00101

YeldellGW
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"Re(1):The Devil made it." , posted Wed 26 Jun 08:58

quote:
That game arose, steaming, straight from the eternal fires of hell.

If liking the Devil's work is wrong, I don't want to be right!

DKW
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"Historical accuracy" , posted Wed 26 Jun 17:07

Some of the World Heroes heroes were based on actual historical figures, but not literally the same. That's why it's Janne instead of Jeanne/Joan, Jengis Carn instead of Genghis Khan, and Brocken instead of...uh...some famous German soldier.

I dunno about the Brocken/Dhalsim connection. The first person most of the players I know connected him to was The Terminator (especially after he lost).

Yeah, Muscle Power and Dragon were the most blantant ripoofs imaginable. But their sources (Hulk Hogan and Bruce Lee) have been ripped off so many times over the years, it hardly seems worth raising a stink over. Heck, at least one game (Dead or Alive) did both.

As for Janne, regardless of the origin, it's definitely not a French name. Here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?statsId=1458 At least one other game has a Janne (Bloody Roar, although she goes by the codename "Shina"), so it's not necessarily a contracton of Jeannne. And you gotta admit that she does look far more Scandinavian than French.

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RugalBernstein

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"Re(1):Who made World Heroes?" , posted Wed 26 Jun 20:34

ADK was later acquired by SNK... BTW, if you're looking for a good ADK fighter, give " Ninja Master's a bunch of kanji I can't read " a try. ^_^

Taa kun
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"Re(1):Historical accuracy" , posted Thu 27 Jun 01:40:

quote:
Some of the World Heroes heroes were based on actual historical figures, but not literally the same. That's why it's Janne instead of Jeanne/Joan, Jengis Carn instead of Genghis Khan, and Brocken instead of...uh...some famous German soldier.

I was only reporting what I found in japanese magazines (Gamest) and in the japanese instruction booklet.
It's written in katakana, and it's written 'jannu', with the 'nu' for the french 'ne', as opposed to the english 'n' or 'nee' which you find in 'Jean/Janne/Joan'.
Moreover, when written in romanji, it's really written 'Jeanne d'Arc'. The same goes for the others...

It's quite usual that the US part of the company changes the names of the characters in games, for their own believings/priorities...
Japanese peopole don't have any problems with putting such characters in their games/manga/anime...

So, for the japanese version, they are their historical counterparts, but one more time, the US had to put their politically correct views into this...

quote:

As for Janne, regardless of the origin, it's definitely not a French name.

I'm French, so US ADK views about 'don't put an historical christian icon in a game so alter her name' a minor annoyance for me.

quote:

And you gotta admit that she does look far more Scandinavian than French.

To look is not to be.
If you go this way, I've got a friend who looks Scandinavian, but is from Lebanon, like his name.
And you should know that by caricatural japanese standards, every american is tall, blonde with blue eye...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

[this message was edited by Taa kun on Thu 27 Jun 13:30]

RugalBernstein

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"Re(2):Historical accuracy" , posted Thu 27 Jun 13:27

I can't believe this thread has gone on for this long without anybody mentioning Rasputin.^_^
I still think he's hilarious, to this day... not the least bit scary, unlike his real life counterpart.