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| iggy 291th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Re(10):I'm looking for a man named Iggy"
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No no, I want you to translate to english and give me a script so i can insert them into my scans. I have the volumes, I just can't read them. Did you see my page? Did you see what i'm trying to do?
Oh. Ah. Oh. Ah
Well, forget me then. I used to translate things like this, and I stopped because I really didn't have enough time and when I saw my translations stolen and posted without credit in other sites on the web, it stopped me to continue.
Then, I only translated scripts, and didn't scanned the pages. I think it's very disrespectfull for the author to allow people to see the art of an author without buying their books, and it has nothing to do with the perspective of allowing people to understand what they are reading (a simple script would do) : it's simple piracy, and I love Araki too much to do that.
Then, finally, I'm not english, so I wouldn't allow myself to translate anything into a language I don't master perfectly (especially Jojo, wich is really hard to translate, even if you understand perfectly what's going on in japanese)
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| Olivier Hagué
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| "Re(4):I'm looking for a dog named Iggy" , posted Mon 24 Jun 11:05
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I gess there would be a problem of rights, like in the PS2 game (you couldn't call someone "Sex Pistols" but "Sax Pistols" if you don't want an army of lawyers to crucify you).
Yes, but that didn't stop them for the previous game... They'd have to change some names, that's all...
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By the way, Olivier, has this problem been evoqued about the french version? I doubt Michel Polnareff would do anything, but the american groups concerned in the later chapters of Jojo may hear about that manga now it's released in J6M's country....
Yeah, we talked about that, and they didn't know. And _I_ still don't know.
Maybe it won't _really_ be a problem until Part 4 anyway, but I'd like to know...
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| Pollyanna
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| "Re(2):I'm looking for a dog named Iggy" , posted Mon 24 Jun 14:13
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I'm trying to provide a service but all the help I've sought (I've encountered at least 6 translators)are all deadbeats. One is depressed because no one "appreciated" his first translation, one thinks cosplay is the way to spead Jojo awareness not translations, and now Iggy is telling me he respects the author too much to do something like this. This sucks balls. Well, I guess I got more hunting to do...
Cosplay as a way to spread Jojo awareness? That's an odd thing to say.
I've done Jojo cosplay before, though. I was Bucciarati last year and I may do him again this year (I'm proud of the costume). Nobody recognized me...well, nobody but Japanese people. I was saying "I know that nobody is going to recognize me....but I bet the guests from Japan will know me! Everyone knows Jojo in Japan!"
I was right...and very...happy that they were totally thrilled to see a Jojo cosplayer. We had a Mista, Giorno and Narancia, too...but I was only with Mista.
I'd like to do Annasui next...he's my favorite.
Anyway, scanned translations ARE piracy, but I don't think that they're so bad, because they raise awareness for a series. At this point, nobody is buying Jojo. If people can get it for free, then they may get into it and start buying it. I generally buy all the manga that I get scanned translations of, anyway. (if I like it enough) What I mean is that there's no Jojo fanbase now. Nobody buys Jojo stuff, because there's no Jojo awareness. Sadly, piracy may be the best way to increase interest. If people are into a series, even if they're getting it for free, they WILL buy stuff for it. It's not the best way, but it's better than nothing. I think people need a greater MANGA awareness in general.
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| Olivier Hagué
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| "Re(3):I'm looking for a dog named Iggy" , posted Tue 25 Jun 06:14
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Anyway, scanned translations ARE piracy, but I don't think that they're so bad, because they raise awareness for a series.
Well, there was the Capcom fighting game... And there'll be another one soon enough...
If people are interested by that, English-language websites with translations, some illustrations and the way to order the books would be enough, in my opinion...
With complete "scanlations", a lot of people won't bother to buy the books at all.
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At this point, nobody is buying Jojo. If people can get it for free, then they may get into it and start buying it.
But how many will think they don't need to buy the books _at all_ anymore?
I think only "hard core" fans would want to buy the real thing. And they would be a minority, in my opinion...
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What's the difference between "scanlations" and fansubs?
None, they're both piracy.
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And if you wanna get legal, i bought all the volumes so i can pretty much do what i want with them legally besides sell them.
No, you can't. If that was true, publishers and editors wouldn't _buy licences_, right?
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which wouldn't really matter because no one in the states has claimed a lisence on the manga.
And that may not change because they probably wouldn't want to buy a licence for a manga that's already translated and available on the net, for free.
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| Pollyanna
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| "Re(7):I'm looking for a dog named Iggy" , posted Tue 25 Jun 15:34
I don't believe that people who have scanned translations won't buy the manga. Every case that I've seen states otherwise. Now, I'm not saying that on a whole, everyone who gets scanned translations will buy the manga, but if they like it enough to buy it in the first place, they probably will.
In my case, I usually buy the manga that I have the scans of, or at least start buying the new volumes of it. I've gotten into several series thanks to scanned translations. The same goes with my friends, who never bought manga before, but now are buying things that they have scans of, or new series.
A lot of Jump manga doesn't...or didn't...have any kind of following in America. Take Hikaru no Go for example. Nobody is going to want to buy a manga about Go right off the bat. They have to actually read it to understand what a good series it is. It was something that had no exposure over here, but now has become reasonably popular due to scanned translations. Poeple now know the series by name and are buying new volumes as they are released and now...the new artbook has become popular, too.
The more people read the manga, the more people will ask for it...for merchandise as well as the books itself. It's difficult to market something that isn't easily accessible or translated. When you have something for free, in ENGLISH, it generates interest.
It's true that many people who get the scans will...more or less just "steal" the manga and not buy any volumes...but they may buy the toys...or the artbook, or tell their friends about it.
I'm not condoning scanned translations. Of course, they are illegal...but I AM saying that they very well may be good for a series. The same titles that nobody had heard of a few years ago are now some of the best selling manga in America, at least partially due to increased awareness.
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| Taa kun
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| "To believe or not believe in scans ?" , posted Tue 25 Jun 16:00
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I don't believe that people who have scanned translations won't buy the manga.
I would like to believe like you, but most of my knowledge of this phenomenon tends to lead me towards the same opinion as Olivier Hague... I makes me sad to have so 'much' faith in humanity...
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In my case, I usually buy the manga that I have the scans of, or at least start buying the new volumes of it.
For my part, I buy the japanese manga, looks at the scans after (to complain about some translations I don't agree!!!) and buy the French edition when it comes out (and allways to complain about some translations I don't agree!!!) .
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A lot of Jump manga doesn't...or didn't...have any kind of following in America. Take Hikaru no Go for example.
Funny you mention this exemple, the French edition will start this year...
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The more people read the manga, the more people will ask for it...for merchandise as well as the books itself. It's difficult to market something that isn't easily accessible or translated. When you have something for free, in ENGLISH, it generates interest.
It's true that many people who get the scans will...more or less just "steal" the manga and not buy any volumes...but they may buy the toys...or the artbook, or tell their friends about it.
Here in France, the editions groups are ahead, they are the firsts to search the 'good' series through the net.
The French translated manga catalog is the biggest of the non-asian world...
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I'm not condoning scanned translations. Of course, they are illegal...but I AM saying that they very well may be good for a series. The same titles that nobody had heard of a few years ago are now some of the best selling manga in America, at least partially due to increased awareness.
So you see it like some kind of publicity...
Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?
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