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| Iron D 1844th Post
 
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|  "Re(8):I'm Curious."
, posted Wed 19 Jun 00:31:
In the God Rugal ending, Akuma DOES take over Rugal's body. He ain't Rugal anymore, he's Akuma. You want proof? Look closely at the man who is standing in Rugal's place after he explodes. Notice the nose? ONLY Akuma has the nose that comes straight out of his forehead.
What's that? He's been transformed by the Satsui No Hado you say? Not bloody likely. Take Evil Ryu for example. His skin becomes darker and his eyes turn red, but besides that his body does change. Satsui No Hado makes you darker and makes your eyes glow red, but it does not change the shape of your nose.
In the end, it's just a retelling of how Rugal tends to take on more power than he can handle. And is another example of how frighteningly powerful Akuma really is, although this obviously didn't really happen in either the Capcom or SNK universes...
In Shin Akuma's ending, he just gets carried off by the Orochi energy, He's too strong a warrior to let go to waste, so it doesn't let him die and takes him to Lord-only-knows-where.
To date, that's about the most impressive thing I've seen Orochi power do, altough I know it didn't happen in the real reality of the SNK and Capcom universes...
[this message was edited by Iron D on Wed 19 Jun 00:36] |
| Taa kun
171th Post
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| "Re(9):I'm Curious." , posted Wed 19 Jun 00:45
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In the God Rugal ending, Akuma DOES take over Rugal's body. He ain't Rugal anymore, he's Akuma. You want proof? Look closely at the man who is standing in Rugal's place after he explodes. Notice the nose? ONLY Akuma has the nose that comes straight out of his forehead.
What's that? He's been transformed by the Satsui No Hado you say? Not bloody likely. Take Evil Ryu for example. His skin becomes darker and his eyes turn red, but besides that his body does change. Satsui No Hado makes you darker and makes your eyes glow red, but it does not change the shape of your nose.
For what I know, and I know only the japanese version of CvS 2, so no crappy offical translation, Rugal is now the new host of the Satsui no Hadou...
How I hate the Akuma name as opposed to Gouki...
Akuma is the devil as in the root of all evils/vices...
Gouki is the strength in so much proportions that it's not human, but 'demoniaque' (I don't say devilish, a demon is not a devil...)
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In Shin Akuma's ending, he just gets carried off by the Orochi energy, He's too strong a warrior to let go to waste, so it doesn't let him die and takes him to Lord-only-knows-where.
Originally, he dies because he is not fit (bloody like) for the Orochi power, which leaves him, but the Satsui no Hadou brings him back to 'life'...
Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?
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| Iron D 1845th Post
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| "Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Wed 19 Jun 01:11
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In the God Rugal ending, Akuma DOES take over Rugal's body. He ain't Rugal anymore, he's Akuma. You want proof? Look closely at the man who is standing in Rugal's place after he explodes. Notice the nose? ONLY Akuma has the nose that comes straight out of his forehead.
What's that? He's been transformed by the Satsui No Hado you say? Not bloody likely. Take Evil Ryu for example. His skin becomes darker and his eyes turn red, but besides that his body does change. Satsui No Hado makes you darker and makes your eyes glow red, but it does not change the shape of your nose.
For what I know, and I know only the japanese version of CvS 2, so no crappy offical translation, Rugal is now the new host of the Satsui no Hadou...
I don't think that's the case. My explanation from my original post, backs my aforementioned statement up.
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How I hate the Akuma name as opposed to Gouki...
Akuma is the devil as in the root of all evils/vices...
Gouki is the strength in so much proportions that it's not human, but 'demoniaque' (I don't say devilish, a demon is not a devil...)
Yeah, blame Cap of America for that one. Being named Akuma would actually make him evil, which he's not. Heck, CoA even tried to pass him off as being evil...however, being the US of A, I'm used to the name Akuma. I mean, Akuma just sounds so much more intimidating than Gouki...
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Originally, he dies because he is not fit (bloody like) for the Orochi power, which leaves him, but the Satsui no Hadou brings him back to 'life'...
Huh? Bloody like? Could you explain this a bit? I mean, it sure does look like Orochi power that's carrying Akuma...er...Gouki off...
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| Iron D 1847th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Wed 19 Jun 01:46
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And what about the clothes... Satsui no hadou does not changes the shape of your nose, but it make you wear your opponent's clothes (even tattered ones)???
Well, despite the fact that Akuma has taken over Rugal's body, that doesn't change the fact that Rugal was just standing there...
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Huh? Bloody like? Could you explain this a bit? I mean, it sure does look like Orochi power that's carrying Akuma...er...Gouki off...
Orochi power is all about blood, only the careers of the blood can use the power without self destructing : see Rugal 95 story like.
Oh okay. I get it now. Without Orochi blood you can't control Orochi power. But wait, not even Iori or Leona, who have Orochi blood, can control their Orochi power. What's the deal here?
And I still think that that's Orochi Power that is carrying Gouki away. I mean, the energy isn't in him per say, it's just carrying him off.
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| Taa kun
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| "Re(4):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Wed 19 Jun 02:15
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Well, despite the fact that Akuma has taken over Rugal's body, that doesn't change the fact that Rugal was just standing there...
Gouki is not the Satsui no Hadou, you can consider him the first 'avatar' of the Satsui no Hadou, but not the Satsui no Hadou itself.
And with this ending, God Rugal is now the new first 'avatar' of the Satsui no Hadou, who replaces Gouki... but he is quite a new Gouki...
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Oh okay. I get it now. Without Orochi blood you can't control Orochi power. But wait, not even Iori or Leona, who have Orochi blood, can control their Orochi power. What's the deal here?
They are not 'pure breeds', Iori has Orochi blood by an old agreement between his clan (originally Yasakani) and Orochi.
Leona is the daughter of Gaidel, a 'traitor' who wanted his lineage to be 'cured' of Orochi... the answer may be in Leona's mother...
And the only ones who have full control of their Orochi powers are the Shitenoh (Heavenly kings : Goeniz, Yashiro, Shermie and Chris).
Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?
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| Iron D 1848th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Wed 19 Jun 02:49
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Well, despite the fact that Akuma has taken over Rugal's body, that doesn't change the fact that Rugal was just standing there...
Gouki is not the Satsui no Hadou, you can consider him the first 'avatar' of the Satsui no Hadou, but not the Satsui no Hadou itself.
And with this ending, God Rugal is now the new first 'avatar' of the Satsui no Hadou, who replaces Gouki... but he is quite a new Gouki...
Okay, what you're saying does make sense, but I still say that Rugal has just been...well...replaced. That is the only explanation for the whole nose thing.
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They are not 'pure breeds', Iori has Orochi blood by an old agreement between his clan (originally Yasakani) and Orochi.
Leona is the daughter of Gaidel, a 'traitor' who wanted his lineage to be 'cured' of Orochi... the answer may be in Leona's mother...
And the only ones who have full control of their Orochi powers are the Shitenoh (Heavenly kings : Goeniz, Yashiro, Shermie and Chris).
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 528th Post
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|  "Re(5):Re(10):I'm Curious."
, posted Wed 19 Jun 07:27
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They are not 'pure breeds', Iori has Orochi blood by an old agreement between his clan (originally Yasakani) and Orochi.
Leona is the daughter of Gaidel, a 'traitor' who wanted his lineage to be 'cured' of Orochi... the answer may be in Leona's mother...
And the only ones who have full control of their Orochi powers are the Shitenoh (Heavenly kings : Goeniz, Yashiro, Shermie and Chris).
ohhhhhh cool! that clears up a couple of things for me. just one question, how did Yashiro, Shermie, and Chris become "Heavenly Kings?" i've read the storyline from different places and all i can guess is that Orochi "chose" them (?) which is kinda tough with the blood thing. were they all related or something?
hey, speaking of the new face team, i heard from a friend that Iori has an alternative outfit in 2001 (or 2000). is this true? he said that it's the outfit Iori wore when he was in his band. (Iori had a band? i knew it was his fault that the new face team entered the tournament in the first place. they wanted revenge because he wrecked one of their concerts or something) i haven't seen the outfit yet yet. anyone have any pictures? ^_^
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| bootation
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|  "Re(6):Re(10):I'm Curious."
, posted Wed 19 Jun 09:24
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They are not 'pure breeds', Iori has Orochi blood by an old agreement between his clan (originally Yasakani) and Orochi.
Leona is the daughter of Gaidel, a 'traitor' who wanted his lineage to be 'cured' of Orochi... the answer may be in Leona's mother...
And the only ones who have full control of their Orochi powers are the Shitenoh (Heavenly kings : Goeniz, Yashiro, Shermie and Chris).
ohhhhhh cool! that clears up a couple of things for me. just one question, how did Yashiro, Shermie, and Chris become "Heavenly Kings?" i've read the storyline from different places and all i can guess is that Orochi "chose" them (?) which is kinda tough with the blood thing. were they all related or something?
hey, speaking of the new face team, i heard from a friend that Iori has an alternative outfit in 2001 (or 2000). is this true? he said that it's the outfit Iori wore when he was in his band. (Iori had a band? i knew it was his fault that the new face team entered the tournament in the first place. they wanted revenge because he wrecked one of their concerts or something) i haven't seen the outfit yet yet. anyone have any pictures? ^_^
Akuma was the rapper in Sf3 :3strike?
Wow he was really good.
I wonder if Akuma would be any good at playing basketballs.
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 537th Post
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|  "Re(9):Re(10):I'm Curious."
, posted Thu 20 Jun 01:27
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Yamazaki, Vice 'n Mature are heavenly kings too, like Goenitz 'n C.Y.S. band.
Yamazaki owns the Orochi stab, the one use for the ressurection ceremony.
No.
The real Orochi forces are the 8 'Hakkeshu' (which can be assimilated to the 8 heads of the mythological Orochi), composed of the 4 shitenoh (the major forces) and 4 others.
The 4 non-shitenoh hakkeshu are :
Yamazaki, Vice, Mature and Gaidel (Leona's father)
The 4 shitenoh with their complete title (kanji reading) are :
Chris of the flame of decision
Shermie who makes the light pillars fall from the sky (...)
Yashiro who dries the big earth
Goenitz who brings the wind of desolation
man i wish they emphasized this in the Orochi storyline, which i used to think was crap. i just heard "blood" this or "fire" that in the games. this is really helping, Taa kun, thanks!
one question still lies unanswered though
lemme copy and paste
how did Yashiro, Shermie, and Chris become "Heavenly Kings?" i've read the storyline from different places and all i can guess is that Orochi "chose" them (?) which is kinda tough with the blood thing. were they all related or something? a family that decided to start a band?
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| Taa kun
180th Post
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| "Re(10):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Thu 20 Jun 01:56
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one question still lies unanswered though
lemme copy and paste
how did Yashiro, Shermie, and Chris become "Heavenly Kings?" i've read the storyline from different places and all i can guess is that Orochi "chose" them (?) which is kinda tough with the blood thing. were they all related or something? a family that decided to start a band?
Sorry, I don't know this point of the story.
But you can guess that the ancient blood of Orochi has been spread around the world, so Orochi choosed the 'best' of his blood...
With time and travel, you can go very far, so it may not be too much a surprise, as the blood of an ancient Japanese deity/monster will be carried by a french girl and a swedish boy.
(Hey, I may be french, but I know that I have spanish, arabian, cameroonish and even mongolian blood, at least, in my not so far ancestry, despite my classical caucasian look...)
I should borrow the official SNK art book of KoF 94 to 98 from my brother, to see if this point is clearly explained.
Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?
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| Burning Kyo 466th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Thu 20 Jun 05:20
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one question still lies unanswered though
lemme copy and paste
how did Yashiro, Shermie, and Chris become "Heavenly Kings?" i've read the storyline from different places and all i can guess is that Orochi "chose" them (?) which is kinda tough with the blood thing. were they all related or something? a family that decided to start a band?
Sorry, I don't know this point of the story.
But you can guess that the ancient blood of Orochi has been spread around the world, so Orochi choosed the 'best' of his blood...
With time and travel, you can go very far, so it may not be too much a surprise, as the blood of an ancient Japanese deity/monster will be carried by a french girl and a swedish boy.
(Hey, I may be french, but I know that I have spanish, arabian, cameroonish and even mongolian blood, at least, in my not so far ancestry, despite my classical caucasian look...)
I should borrow the official SNK art book of KoF 94 to 98 from my brother, to see if this point is clearly explained.
One word : "Reincarnation"
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| Taa kun
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Thu 20 Jun 09:27:
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Mais toi aussi, t'as utilisé ce terme "hakkeshu" no ?
Et C po parce k'un japonais me dit ke la meuf de Iori est Benimaru et ke Kyo est un super-guerrier, ke je vais le croire ! ^_-
Sorry to have bothered you.
I used this term because it's the official term from the officials SNK's artbooks.
The Hakkeshu are the '8 heads' of the Orochi.
And the Yasakani are Iori's ancestor, who sealed the Orochi a long time ago with the Kusanagi and Chizuru Kagura's ancestors.
But they made a blood contract with the Orochi, becoming the Yagami.
I like too the Hong Kong and Cinese comics, but their ideas, while sometimes really good, are far from the originals when they are treating japanese stuff.
And more than that, the chinese use of japanese meaning terms, is sometimes really particullar, and about katakana and hiragana...
Try to look at the Hong Kong Engrish subbed DVDs if you want to know what I mean.
I can give you a lot of examples
_'Chaussette' Joestar for Joseph Joestar in Jojo
_'Czechoslovakia' for Celestia in Tales of destiny
and so more that it's hilarous... at least when you are not watching...
Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?
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| Burning Kyo 473th Post
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|  "Re(10):I'm Curious."
, posted Thu 20 Jun 09:39:
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Mais toi aussi, t'as utilisé ce terme "hakkeshu" no ?
Et C po parce k'un japonais me dit ke la meuf de Iori est Benimaru et ke Kyo est un super-guerrier, ke je vais le croire ! ^_-
Sorry to have bothered you.
I used this term because it's the official term from the officials SNK's artbooks.
I like too the Hong Kong and Cinese comics, but their ideas, while sometimes really good, are far from the originals.
And more than that, the chinese use of japanese meaning terms, is sometimes really particullar, and about katakana and hiragana...
Try to look at the Hong Kong Engrish subbed DVDs if you want to know what I mean.
I can give you a lot of examples
_'Chaussette' Joestar for Joseph Joestar in Jojo
_'Czechoslovakia' for Celestia in Tales of destiny
and so more that it's hilarous... at least when you are not watching...
LOL C ki ton subber ? T'as vraiment po de chance ! ^_^
Si C l'art-book ki le dit je te crois ! Mais bon, y a tellement de site ki se refère à l'HK comics de A.Seto ... alors C un peu dur de s'y retrouver !
Faut kan même reconnaitre k'il y a beaucoup d'incohérence du coté de chez SNK.
Sinon est-ce-que Yuki Kushinada (la meuf de Kyo)est morte ou non ? car je crois ke dans la légende de Yamata no Orochi, il faut k'il sacrifie une Kushinada pour k'il ressuscite ...
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| Taa kun
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| "Re(5):Re(10):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Thu 20 Jun 09:57
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LOL C ki ton subber ? T'as vraiment po de chance ! ^_^
These are the 'official' english subtitles from the Hong Kong DVDs...
These DVDs are really cheaps, but for this price, you have crappy subtitles, or if the subtitles are good, it's because they are fansub rips (in this case, you may even see the usual message during the eyecatch that said that if you paid for this, you've been cheated...)
And for the image quality, sometimes it's the japanese DVD rip, sometimes, it's a TV VCR recording!!!
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Sinon est-ce-que Yuki Kushinada (la meuf de Kyo)est morte ou non ? car je crois ke dans la légende de Yamata no Orochi, il faut k'il sacrifie une Kushinada pour k'il ressuscite ...
Ow looking for the original legend...
I think that last year, or maybe two years ago, somebody posted here a link to a site about the official Izumo Legend...
And for KoF, it's a really free adapted legend, with Yuki being the last of the 8 Kushinada, who has to be sacrified for the final awakening of the Orochi, and who must be alive now, till the re-opening of the Orochi saga ?
Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?
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| Ishmael
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| "Re(1):slag off .... i said SLAG OFF!!!" , posted Thu 20 Jun 10:01
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taakun got most of the cys and heavenly kings stuff right. gaidel, yamazaki, mature and vice are just assistants, some more willing than others.
cys joined kof '97 originally because iori's band stole all their fans, something along those lines.
It's not Athena who stole CYS' fans ? ^_^
Because she began a popstar in '96
maybe CYS and Iori have similar-sounding music, but Athena's is Japanese pop. so audiences of the CYS band would flock to Iori instead of Athena
man, i'm putting too much thought into this hehehe
anyways, i found a picture of rockin' Iori
i wish there were other angles of him. nevertheless, looks sweet!
http://www.ciudadfutura.com/arcade/kof2000/iori.html
(bottom of page)
I shouldn't ask since, for me at least, thinking too hard about the plots of fighting games is the path to madness but Iori was competing for the same fans that would go to a concert that featured Chris? Maybe I just don't know enough about the Japanese music scene since I can't picture there being much of a crossover audience for what I would suspect would be two very different acts.
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| Burning Kyo 473th Post
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| "Re(6):I'm Curious." , posted Thu 20 Jun 10:03
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LOL C ki ton subber ? T'as vraiment po de chance ! ^_^
These are the 'official' english subtitles from the Hong Kong DVDs...
These DVDs are really cheaps, but for this price, you have crappy subtitles, or if the subtitles are good, it's because they are fansub rips (in this case, you may even see the usual message during the eyecatch that said that if you paid for this, you've been cheated...)
And for the image quality, sometimes it's the japanese DVD rip, sometimes, it's a TV VCR recording!!!
Sinon est-ce-que Yuki Kushinada (la meuf de Kyo)est morte ou non ? car je crois ke dans la légende de Yamata no Orochi, il faut k'il sacrifie une Kushinada pour k'il ressuscite ...
Ow looking for the original legend...
I think that last year, or maybe two years ago, somebody posted here a link to a site about the official Izumo Legend...
And for KoF, it's a really free adapted legend, with Yuki being the last of the 8 Kushinada, who has to be sacrified for the final awakening of the Orochi, and who must be alive now, till the re-opening of the Orochi saga ?
En ce ki concerne les DVD "made in HK", moi j'en ai des très bien comme "Cowboy Bebop : Knockin' on Heaven's door" ou "Street Fighter Zero" !
Otherwise for KOF, I wanna a re-opening of a Orochi saga !
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| Iggy 278th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):I'm Curious." , posted Fri 21 Jun 01:01
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Sinon est-ce-que Yuki Kushinada (la meuf de Kyo)est morte ou non ? car je crois ke dans la légende de Yamata no Orochi, il faut k'il sacrifie une Kushinada pour k'il ressuscite ...
Normally, at the end of Orochi, everybody shuould have died : Yamazaki (even if you don't even see him), the four gods, Leona and Iori (I think Yuki is held captive but watches the fight, I don't remind KOF Kyo well but this is the official story, so...). When you beat Orochi with Kyo/Iori/Chizuru, he stands up again and says he can't be beaten because there still remains someone with his blood : Iori. And we know how it ends, so if Orochi is gone for good., Iori should have.... But Leona and Iori were sooo popular SNK couldn't erase them, so in 99, they were back and SNK prayed no one would notice....
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