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Taa kun
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"Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 09:57

I will only post this diagram (based on the June 2000 Arcadia)... (and these are the japanese names)...

First the order.
1 Kevin (Ke)
2 Grant (Gr)
3 Gato (Ga)
4 Terry (Te)
5 Jei Hoon (JH)
6 Kain (Ka)
7 Jenet (Je)
8 Marco (Ma)
9 Dong Hwang (DH)
10 Freeman (Fr)
11 Rock (Ro)
12 Griffon (Gf)
13 Hotaru (Ho)
14 Hokutomaru (Hk)

Next are the fight ratios...

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Freeter

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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 10:04

Jae Hoon over Donghwan? I would've thought he'd be near the bottom of that list...

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Ferrio
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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 10:05:

quote:
I will only post this diagram (based on the June 2000 Arcadia)... (and these are the japanese names)...

First the order.
1 Kevin (Ke)
2 Grant (Gr)
3 Gato (Ga)
4 Terry (Te)
5 Jei Hoon (JH)
6 Kain (Ka)
7 Jenet (Je)
8 Marco (Ma)
9 Dong Hwang (DH)
10 Freeman (Fr)
11 Rock (Ro)
12 Griffon (Gf)
13 Hotaru (Ho)
14 Hokutomaru (Hk)

Next are the fight ratios...

That isn't the tiering is it....can't be... Hotaru is way too low on the list...she should least be in the top 3....and jae over dong is just stupid. Atleast kevin and Gato seem to be where they should be.

[this message was edited by Ferrio on Wed 12 Jun 10:11]

Taa kun
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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 10:09

1rst monster : Kevin
Ke 9 - 1 Gr
Ke 8 - 2 Ga
Ke 7 - 3 Te
Ke 7 - 3 JH
Ke 7 - 3 Ka
Ke 8 - 2 Je
Ke 9 - 1 Ma
Ke 9 - 1 DH
Ke 9 - 1 Fr
Ke 9 - 1 Ro
Ke 9 - 1 Gf
Ke 9 - 1 Ho
Ke 9 - 1 Hk

2nd monster : Grant
Gr 4 - 6 Ga
Gr 4 - 6 Te
Gr 6 - 4 JH
Gr 6 - 4 Ka
Gr 9 - 1 Je
Gr 5 - 5 Ma
Gr 8 - 2 DH
Gr 9 - 1 Fr
Gr 8 - 2 Ro
Gr 9 - 1 Gf
Gr 9 - 1 Ho
Gr 9 - 1 Hk

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
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Taa kun
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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 10:27

Next : Gato
Ga 6 - 4 Te
Ga 4 - 6 JH
Ga 6 - 4 Ka
Ga 6 - 4 Je
Ga 6 - 4 Ma
Ga 6 - 4 DH
Ga 6 - 4 Fr
Ga 8 - 2 Ro
Ga 7 - 3 Gf
Ga 7 - 3 Ho
Ga 7 - 3 Hk

Then the lone wolf : Terry
Te 5 - 5 JH
Te 6 - 4 Ka
Te 6 - 4 Je
Te 6 - 4 Ma
Te 6 - 4 DH
Te 6 - 4 Fr
Te 7 - 3 Ro
Te 7 - 3 Gf
Te 7 - 3 Ho
Te 7 - 3 Hk

And the justice maniac Jei Hoon
JH 5 - 5 Ka
JH 5 - 5 Je
JH 6 - 4 Ma
JH 6 - 4 DH
JH 6 - 4 Fr
JH 7 - 3 Ro
JH 8 - 2 Gf
JH 7 - 3 Ho
JH 7 - 3 Hk

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Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Juke Joint Jezebel

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"Mark of the Wolves Tiers" , posted Wed 12 Jun 10:36

i know this is Arcadia's post and you're just typing what you're reading from it, but i'm sorry, i honestly don't think there are any tiers in Garou

i think Grant would be the exception. i found him to be a tad bit cheap and overpowered. he just seems to do a lot more damage than the others. if his power was decreased, i believe every character in Garou would be equal

i dunno. it's just my opinion. feel free to flame

Taa kun
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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 10:41

Geese's brother in law : Kain
Ka 6 - 4 Je
Ka 6 - 4 Ma
Ka 7 - 3 DH
Ka 7 - 3 Fr
Ka 6 - 4 Ro
Ka 8 - 2 Gf
Ka 6 - 4 Ho
Ka 7 - 3 Hk

The sexy pirat : Jenet
Je 7 - 3 Ma
Je 7 - 3 DH
Je 7 - 3 Fr
Je 7 - 3 Ro
Je 8 - 2 Gf
Je 6 - 4 Ho
Je 7 - 3 Hk

The KFC smiter : Marco
Ma 7 - 3 DH
Ma 5 - 5 Fr
Ma 6 - 4 Ro
Ma 6 - 4 Gf
Ma 7 - 3 Ho
Ma 6 - 4 Hk

The Taekwondo clown : Dong Hwang
DH 6 - 4 Fr
DH 5 - 5 Ro
DH 5 - 5 Gf
DH 6 - 4 Ho
DH 5 - 5 Hk

Psycho claws : Freeman
Fr 6 - 4 Ro
Fr 5 - 5 Gf
Fr 4 - 6 Ho
Fr 5 - 5 Hk

Angel of blue fire : Rock
Ro 4 - 6 Gf
Ro 4 - 6 Ho
Ro 6 - 4 Hk

Tiger... Griffon Mask
Gf 7 - 3 Ho
Gf 5 - 5 Hk

Hotaru
Ho 6 - 4 Hk

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Burning Kyo

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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 11:25

quote:
I will only post this diagram (based on the June 2000 Arcadia)... (and these are the japanese names)...

First the order.
1 Kevin (Ke)
2 Grant (Gr)
3 Gato (Ga)
4 Terry (Te)
5 Jei Hoon (JH)
6 Kain (Ka)
7 Jenet (Je)
8 Marco (Ma)
9 Dong Hwang (DH)
10 Freeman (Fr)
11 Rock (Ro)
12 Griffon (Gf)
13 Hotaru (Ho)
14 Hokutomaru (Hk)

Next are the fight ratios...

I'm quite agree with this list ...
But I've always believe that Freeman was in the 5 first top.
JaeHoon is better than DongHwan because, he trains more ! 'N his breaked combos are really more powerful than DongHwan ! 'N because he's very flexible even against turtle player !
Terry 'n Jae were my fav' characters, 'n they will always be my fav' !

PS : Taa, tu peux mettre le truc du Bullet Trap STP ?
Merci d'avance !

Jazzie D

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"Ano..." , posted Wed 12 Jun 12:26

quote:

1 Kevin (Ke)
2 Grant (Gr)
3 Gato (Ga)
4 Terry (Te)
5 Jae Hoon (JH)
6 Kain (Ka)
7 Jenet (Je)
8 Marco (Ma)
9 Dong Hwan (DH)
10 Freeman (Fr)
11 Rock (Ro)
12 Griffon (Gf)
13 Hotaru (Ho)
14 Hokutomaru (Hk)

For the most part, I'm not surprised. What surprised me were characters like Jenet being too high and Kain being a bit too low. Well, that's my opinion.

Side note - I'm not surprised Hotaru would be down in the bottom.

Ultima

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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 12:52

Hmm. I could have sworn this post went through. Oh well. If this ends up as a double post, I apologize.

quote:

1 Kevin (Ke)
2 Grant (Gr)
3 Gato (Ga)
4 Terry (Te)
5 Jei Hoon (JH)
6 Kain (Ka)
7 Jenet (Je)
8 Marco (Ma)
9 Dong Hwang (DH)
10 Freeman (Fr)
11 Rock (Ro)
12 Griffon (Gf)
13 Hotaru (Ho)
14 Hokutomaru (Hk)

YIKES. Some things I agree with (Kevin, Grant and Gato being on top, Rock and Griffon in the bottom), but there are some that make me shake my head: Hotaru, Marco, Dong Hwang and Hokotumaru seem way too low to me. I wonder if there's something Arcadia knows that I don't.

Also, I looked at that grid. HOw the HELL does Griffon not only beat Hotaru, but beat her 7-3? I thought that was his worst match! HOw does he deal with repeat jump/short-jump C since his air defense is nonexistent? Can anyone help me here?

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Adon

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"Re(2):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 13:07

That's awesome Kevin #1.

Taa kun
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"Re(2):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 13:37

quote:
Also, I looked at that grid. HOw the HELL does Griffon not only beat Hotaru, but beat her 7-3? I thought that was his worst match! HOw does he deal with repeat jump/short-jump C since his air defense is nonexistent? Can anyone help me here?

One thing : Justice hurricane cancel... 33% life out...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Taa kun
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"Re(2):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 13:44

quote:
PS : Taa, tu peux mettre le truc du Bullet Trap STP ?
Merci d'avance !

Dash A => Helltrap (qcf kick) cancelled => dash A... ad vitam eternam...

Dash A has insane priority and no recovery time...
Helltrap (qcf kick) cancelled has no recovery time...

If you hit, then continue the cancelled helltrap with what you want, there's more than 80% damage combos which start from there... but I can't remember the acurate description...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Taa kun
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"Re(3):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 13:51

quote:
That's awesome Kevin #1.

Yeah...
Make the sums : Kevin is at 109 points, Grant 87 and Hokutomaru 44...
Talk about overpowered ones...

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Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Taa kun
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"Re(2):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 14:08

quote:
But I've always believe that Freeman was in the 5 first top.

By the way, Freeman suffers a serious problem : if he jumps vertically, you can walk/dash under him and punish him once he cames back on the gound, backside to you...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
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Mosquiton

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"Re(3):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Wed 12 Jun 14:35

Personally I enjoy reading who IGN's opinions on the matter, since they come to the conclusion that Rock Howard is one of the most powerful characters after a few hours of playing! AND I get to fight through several identical full page adds while I'm trying to get to the review!!! AND they don't mention the voice lag. Boy, IGN sure rocks!!!

Sorry I think I had that pent up for quite a long time...

/ / /

Burning Kyo

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"Re(4):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Thu 13 Jun 04:20

quote:
Personally I enjoy reading who IGN's opinions on the matter, since they come to the conclusion that Rock Howard is one of the most powerful characters after a few hours of playing! AND I get to fight through several identical full page adds while I'm trying to get to the review!!! AND they don't mention the voice lag. Boy, IGN sure rocks!!!

Sorry I think I had that pent up for quite a long time...

Rock isn't very powerful ! IMO, his effective move is the "Rising Tackle" 'n his breaked combos aren't powerful unless if you have a DM or SDM ...
Play with Terry, 'n you will see what the word "Master" means !

Ultima

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"re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Thu 13 Jun 06:25

quote:

One thing : Justice hurricane cancel... 33% life out...

I have no idea what this is (I don't know the names of Griffon's moves). So what exactly is this technique and how does it work? Thanks. Anything that makes Griffon suck less is a bonus to me.. :)

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Time Mage

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"Re(4):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Thu 13 Jun 06:50

quote:
That's awesome Kevin #1.

Yeah...
Make the sums : Kevin is at 109 points, Grant 87 and Hokutomaru 44...
Talk about overpowered ones...

Although I agree mostly with that list (except from Hokutomaro being so low, WHY??), I thought Gato was the #1. Simply doing his

plus followups he's practically invincible, it's the best keepaway move i've ever seen, has options for every situation. Also, it charges meter at light speed.
If I want to win, I choose Gato. No option to loose, and no need to combo (but he has good ones).

Taa kun
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"Re(1):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Thu 13 Jun 11:57

quote:

One thing : Justice hurricane cancel... 33% life out...

I have no idea what this is (I don't know the names of Griffon's moves). So what exactly is this technique and how does it work? Thanks. Anything that makes Griffon suck less is a bonus to me.. :)

It's his 360 degree throw... It deals so much damage especialy on Hotaru...
Use it during just defence and you will see...
It remembers one match I played with Griffon against a "frog" Hotaru : a difficult first round, hard to set the distances, but for the second round...
I had set my top at the beginning with the smaller size and had my P power... my friend tryed to jump attack immediatly, I just defended and performed the 720 degree with C throw... 97% life out, then a drop kick (C+D, top attack) on his guard was enough cheap damage to win...
Miracle???

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Taa kun
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"Re(5):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Thu 13 Jun 12:08

quote:
That's awesome Kevin #1.

Although I agree mostly with that list (except from Hokutomaro being so low, WHY??), I thought Gato was the #1. Simply doing his plus followups he's practically invincible, it's the best keepaway move i've ever seen, has options for every situation. Also, it charges meter at light speed.
If I want to win, I choose Gato. No option to loose, and no need to combo (but he has good ones).

Yeah, these are his strong points, but if your opponent muddles your timing (and that's what just defense is for), you're dead meat...
And Gato, unlike anybody else, has absolutly no invincible attack, don't be surprised if you are nailed by a wandering jab while tring the perfect punishing P power or else...
And be ready to suffer against Kevin(him again...)'s dash A...

And for Hokutomaru : no range, no strength, and not enough speed in his attacks to compensate...

Tsukurimashou... Tsukurimashou...
Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Walchuk
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"Re(6):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Thu 13 Jun 16:24

I'm curious about a couple things. Jae I know has some strong combos, but he always seemed kind of slow, plus no anti-air unless he's charging. Does he have some special trick like Kevin does?

Also, I always thought Hotaru was really good. Especially since her qcb+C is completely safe, unless you just defend it all, then guard cancel. It's true though that I haven't played anyone who has done that with any consistency.

Freeter

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"Re(7):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Thu 13 Jun 19:39

quote:
I'm curious about a couple things. Jae I know has some strong combos, but he always seemed kind of slow, plus no anti-air unless he's charging. Does he have some special trick like Kevin does?

Yeah, I'm still wondering that myself. Jae's priority is pretty crappy compared to most of the other characters, is there a better way to play him?

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Burning Kyo

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"Re(3):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Fri 14 Jun 01:19

quote:
PS : Taa, tu peux mettre le truc du Bullet Trap STP ?
Merci d'avance !

Dash A => Helltrap (qcf kick) cancelled => dash A... ad vitam eternam...

Dash A has insane priority and no recovery time...
Helltrap (qcf kick) cancelled has no recovery time...

If you hit, then continue the cancelled helltrap with what you want, there's more than 80% damage combos which start from there... but I can't remember the acurate description...

t'es sûr k'il rentre le qcf D ou B après dash A ?
mais tu pe plus touché avec le A ensuite si le qcf D rentre ...
J'ai po très bien compris comment ça marcher ce truc ! Enfin ... moi j'aime bien son hcf A (mais il serait mieux avec plus de priorité, car C po encore Clark ou Ralf dans KOF).

Taa kun
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"Re(4):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Fri 14 Jun 01:29

quote:
t'es sûr k'il rentre le qcf D ou B après dash A ?
mais tu pe plus touché avec le A ensuite si le qcf D rentre ...
J'ai po très bien compris comment ça marcher ce truc ! Enfin ... moi j'aime bien son hcf A (mais il serait mieux avec plus de priorité, car C po encore Clark ou Ralf dans KOF).

J'ai juste cite Arcadia, j'ai jamais joue serieusement Kevin, mais j'ai vu des videos de trucs monstrueux avec lui (dont un combo ou il place 3 S powers, oui, il se charge 1 barre pendant le combo...)
Je ne peux donc pas t'aider pour le timing, mais la gestion des cancels est assez space on m'a dit...

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Sate sate nani ga dekiru ka na ?

Burning Kyo

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"Re(5):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Fri 14 Jun 02:18

quote:
t'es sûr k'il rentre le qcf D ou B après dash A ?
mais tu pe plus touché avec le A ensuite si le qcf D rentre ...
J'ai po très bien compris comment ça marcher ce truc ! Enfin ... moi j'aime bien son hcf A (mais il serait mieux avec plus de priorité, car C po encore Clark ou Ralf dans KOF).

J'ai juste cite Arcadia, j'ai jamais joue serieusement Kevin, mais j'ai vu des videos de trucs monstrueux avec lui (dont un combo ou il place 3 S powers, oui, il se charge 1 barre pendant le combo...)
Je ne peux donc pas t'aider pour le timing, mais la gestion des cancels est assez space on m'a dit...

Ptet' k'il fo faire un feint cancel, no ?
Arf ! G trop de mal à les utiliser !
Ce combo est assez facile (si C celui ke je crois) en training mais en combats, c' autre chose ...
Avec Kévin, j'ai plus l'habitude de faire ce combo pour presser l'ennemi : fwd B, qcf B (break), si ça touche dp A, si ça touche po dash hcf A.

Ultima

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"Re(2):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Fri 14 Jun 08:20

re: Justice hurricane cancel...

quote:

It's his 360 degree throw... It deals so much damage especialy on Hotaru...
Use it during just defence and you will see...

This was the first thing I tried. BUt it doesn't work, at least not for me: If she hits high (which she always does, at least the people who try it against me), then JD->360/720 will whiff because the cancel is too *fast*. He goes right into his grab animation before she touches the floor (Then I eat low C -> HCB move/super. Bleah). It's not high enough for me to throw her when she lands, but not deep enough for JD->special/super to connect.

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Walchuk
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"Re(3):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Fri 14 Jun 10:10

Burning Kyo: If you're playing the ROM, then Kevin cannot cancel his standing A in the prototype, but he can in the final version. Hah, the final version is more broke than the prototype, that's terrible.

Taa kun: Did the magazine give reasons for everyone's rankings, or just the top ones? I'm still curious what makes Jae so high and Hotaru so low. Hotaru just seems so well rounded. It can't just be the fact that she takes damage bad.

Ultima: Well, if they hit high, can't you just do the 360 when they land? That is, don't do the JD cancel? Griffon is a pretty big character, so it seems like that should work. Of course Hotaru has a lot of other options, like doing a 2-hit jump-in chain, doing the qcb+B/D, or doing her head stomp. Oh well, who knows...

Jazzie D

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"Re(4):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Fri 14 Jun 10:15

quote:
Hotaru just seems so well rounded. It can't just be the fact that she takes damage bad.

Besides that, she doesn't have a lot of offensive power. Her normal attacks lack priority, thus, like Athena, you have to rely on her special attacks. She has a bad T.O.P. attack. That's about it.

Iron D

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"Re(5):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Fri 14 Jun 14:53

ryu

Walchuk
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"Re(5):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Fri 14 Jun 17:25

quote:
Besides that, she doesn't have a lot of offensive power. Her normal attacks lack priority, thus, like Athena, you have to rely on her special attacks. She has a bad T.O.P. attack. That's about it.

She seems to do decent damage to me. The bad TOP wouldn't seem to hurt her that much, since it's only one move that you only get for part of the round.

Oh, and my last comment about final being more broke than prototype... well I forgot about Grant's infinite. Heheh. He's still #2 in the final though...

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"Re(6):re: Griffon vs. Hotaru" , posted Fri 14 Jun 19:01

Hotaru!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gen

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"Re(1):Garou's diagram from Arcadia" , posted Fri 14 Jun 20:08

quote:
I will only post this diagram (based on the June 2000 Arcadia)...

We want scans! (: