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| MrWhitefolks
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|  "Re(3):Who really won?"
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...is Athena
nah, kim's really good in it, and chang fits right in with the capcom style of play. hell, joe's damn near invincible. come now, be fair about it.
i am, look at the top tier usage of chars. it's not that i'm bashing on the snk chars, i love me some kof(hell, i've owned 2 neogeos)...but in cvs2 it's all bout bison/sagat/blanka/athena/and whoever can whore out the rolling cancel the best with a shoto.
nak got slammed back down to mediocricity from cvs1, mai got shot down, joe's good...but not good enuf to take sagat in this game. chang is aiight; but chang vs bison or sagat = capcom char wins for free. it's sad...but true. it's not some conspiracy by capcom developers or the community, it's just that these chars in THIS game arent as good.
now, if they "downgraded" the snk chars for cvs, and the "upgrade" the capcom chars to make up for lack of moves in SvC for neogeo...that's gonna be weird.
*imagines sagat with more priority and stuff to do*
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| iggy
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| "Re(1):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 03:01
If you don't mean "who is the strongest" but "who is the coolest" or "the funnier to play with", Capcom blows Marvel away, that's for sure.
in CvS, it's more ballanced, I nearly only played SNK characters until a few weeks ago, when I began to learn Chun li, Vega and Zangief (first time I ever played the big fat ass, and... whaaaa... was he THAT strong in other games? he could be my new Dahlsim). I use quite well (and with pleasure) 17 SNK characters and Capcom 14 characters, it's quite balanced for me. (I need a CvS3!!)
In the Neo Pocket version, it's easier : Capcom has Bulleta with them, they win before you even turn the console on.
(remember the "SNK vs Capcom vs Namco" article in Gamest).....
hmphhh.... too much crossovers for me.
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| Zyzyfer 425th Post
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| "Re(6):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 03:18
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Tiers are based upon usage of chars in tourneys for efficency.
case in point: goro in kof98
was a glitch the reason he was used so much? you damn right. but was he used alot in tourney matches regardless of his glitch?
yep.
same with MvC2 and how storm/mag/cable/sent have become THE top echelon.
and same with the tiers in CvS2.
it's not opinion when damn near everyone that's a top level player uses them.
now, i understand how you feel on the subject, but we gotta be realistic here. tiers always abound and no matter what people say about glitches/etc...a top tier is a group of chars that are played the MOST because they are the best at that time.
period.
if down the road a new glitch/gimmick/char gets revealed OR a current char has a new glarring weakness; then the new char gets played hella and the old char gets dropped.
tiers are always evolving, but they are always there, and are not opinions(as the "opinions" are usually made by the n00bs/scrubs that have no idea as to how to play the game at a high level), they are the facts as to who gets used in top tourney play.
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MrWhitefolks
p.s...this has turned into a very fun and informative discussion; i'd like to hear more from the rest of you forum goers on the subject at hand.
i know it's going offtopic, but it's kinda relevant, so i'll bring it up.
i've never seen any tiers for king of fighters...well...i've seen unofficial ones made by random people on the internet here and there, and i'm sure they exist, but i've seen too much go on outside of the realm of conventional gameplay, and it's safe to say that kof is one of the few games that caters to an array of fighting styles. the characters are uniquely different, some combo powerhouses, some grapplers, some light fast pokers, some rough tough pokers, and then in between, there's yamazaki. anyways, the point i'm trying to make is, as far as kof goes, i've been around *literally* and seen a lot of different playing styles, and, in '99 especially, i've been whipped by every character in the roster pretty evenly. so i think that, while tiers might matter if you're going to resort to that playing style, it requires you to accept a certain level of conformity to appreciate the tiers. it's why i never got into mvc2...there's one way to play it, and that was that. i could play xvssf fine and dandy, using juggernaut and a fairly unique style that not many people could easily thrash *unless* they relied on infinites. sure, i could learn an infinite and do just as well, but it's not my gaming style.
so, all i'm saying is, if you dig tiers, that's fine. but in most games, cvs included, the tier isn't the game. the players are the game. otherwise, you might as well just set the computer on level 8 and let the ai play itself yo...
another example. this is the only time i'll buy a tier. playing street fighter 2 one time, i had zangief and my friend had blanka. he decided to be cheesy and jump up and down with fierce kick. no matter what i did, i couldn't find a way to get in close enough to land *anything* zangief had.
this would obviously play a part in zangief being low in tier. does that stop him from beating able to be played effectively regardless?
tourney fights are just that...some thing that's done in a little hole in the wall somewhere, by people who claim to know the game. whether they do or not, whether you like it or not, is speculation, opinion, not necessarily my own point of view.
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| ninjabastard 596th Post
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| "Re(8):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 04:07:
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ok, gotta clear some stuff up here.
when i'm talkin tiers in any game, it's the tiers that are used by the top group of players(i.e...svgl/southcenter/ctf in mvc2). not some "hole in the wall" otaku hangout.
the tiers that i listed are who the "players" that you insist that "make the game" use on a constant basis in any of their given games(in this case, mvc2/cvs2) in real top tournament play(once again...not "hole in the wall").
again, tiers are a FACT as to who's being used the most for their effiencicy(sp?) at the time. so there's no "opinion" about who's top tier, when it's obvious at this time. whether or not down the road someone might come out and discover a new character/strat to add to the 'tier' is when the current 'tier' will evolve(whether to adopt the new char/strats, or to find ways with current chars to get past what has been brought forth).
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MrWhitefolks
Marvel vs Capcom
Marvel beats the shit out of Capcom. Go play someone who has a good Magneto, or even some cable scrub.
Capcom Vs SNK
More Blanced. But, at the top are Sagat and Blanka.
lower top teir Bison/Cammy/Vega/Iori/Gesse/Hibiki/Yamazaki/Rolento.
Upper middle tier Kyo/Ryu/Ken/Chun-Li/Guile/Rugal/Vice/Nak/Morrigan/Sakukra/Yuri
Those are pretty much all the characters that are used in CvS 2. If your character isn't there he's either mid-tier or bottom(Dan,Kyosuke,Maki). But, A groove can play around with tiers. A groove Terry,Rock, and Sakura are really good.
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| iggy
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| "Re(9):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 04:37
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Those are pretty much all the characters that are used in CvS 2. If your character isn't there he's either mid-tier or bottom(Dan,Kyosuke,Maki). But, A groove can play around with tiers. A groove Terry,Rock, and Sakura are really good.
Are you sure you didn't forget Athena? I thought she was worshipped as a strong character...
But, talking of grooves, is it just me, or the K groove seems barely used by american players, whereas it is extremely used by japanese players? (equal to N groove, if I remember well)
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| ninjabastard 597th Post
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| "Re(10):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 07:38:
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Those are pretty much all the characters that are used in CvS 2. If your character isn't there he's either mid-tier or bottom(Dan,Kyosuke,Maki). But, A groove can play around with tiers. A groove Terry,Rock, and Sakura are really good.
Are you sure you didn't forget Athena? I thought she was worshipped as a strong character...
But, talking of grooves, is it just me, or the K groove seems barely used by american players, whereas it is extremely used by japanese players? (equal to N groove, if I remember well)
Athena sucks. Middle tier at best. She has got a great cr.fp, but that's it. Crappy supers, crappy specials, ok normals. Valle used her and gave up on her. But as I said, A groove can mess around with teirs. She's a lot better in A. She also plays well in p, but you're going to have to work. As for K groove there are a lot of K groove players in SHGL, including me. That is my favorite groove and Vinscant's. Next groove I use is N, to help fight against A(my roll cancel skills help.) or for me to use my N groove characters(Iori,Yamazaki). Basically I see, N,A,K,C and P(yes p. It won a big tourny so everyone is using it.) in that order.
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| "Re(2):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 09:06
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I think I'll say this though, in reality almost any Marvel character in MvC2 could take on pretty much ALL of Capcom and SNK. I mean come on, Magneto has the ability to manipulate the electrons in your cell structure? Thanos can make you cease to exist with a mere thought? And all these martial artists and robots and S.T.A.R.S. agents and cat people are supposed to stand a chance against that? Akuma could stand a chance against some of the Marvel characters (I mean come on, he DID single handedly destroy a submarine), and maybe even Bison, but otherwise....
Yes, I agree with my friend D in here, I think the original poster meant who won in termns of power storywise, not top tiers and crap like that...
If that so, in MvC2 -as D said-, almost any Marvel Char can wipe out the entire Capcom universe, only few stand a chance, but that's not enough...
In CvS2... now, that's a hard one, and I think it is a mere thing of taste.
While I think the capcom side wins with relative ease, someone can think that SNK can win... It's not as clear as with the MvC2 one...
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| Shapermc
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| "Re(3):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 09:12
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In CvS2... now, that's a hard one, and I think it is a mere thing of taste.
While I think the capcom side wins with relative ease, someone can think that SNK can win... It's not as clear as with the MvC2 one...
Sure it is. Look most of the KOF characters have a stor and a timeline and like 8 years of tournements under their belts. They train in their off time. They compete all the time. And most have their own side games as well as the KOF tourney (fatal fury, AOF, Ikari) There is alot more age and practice and variety (not just adding alphas, zero's, ex's, -isms)
Hands down SNK.
Then again I may just be a SNK fanboy, because I have no Idea about the Story behind SF (well any more then the basics)
But OOO OOO you can play old skool SF2 CE on the ultracde down the street OOO OOO :D
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| ninjabastard 597th Post
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| "Re(4):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 10:10
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In CvS2... now, that's a hard one, and I think it is a mere thing of taste.
While I think the capcom side wins with relative ease, someone can think that SNK can win... It's not as clear as with the MvC2 one...
Sure it is. Look most of the KOF characters have a stor and a timeline and like 8 years of tournements under their belts. They train in their off time. They compete all the time. And most have their own side games as well as the KOF tourney (fatal fury, AOF, Ikari) There is alot more age and practice and variety (not just adding alphas, zero's, ex's, -isms)
Hands down SNK.
Then again I may just be a SNK fanboy, because I have no Idea about the Story behind SF (well any more then the basics)
But OOO OOO you can play old skool SF2 CE on the ultracde down the street OOO OOO :D
Story wise in CvS 2. SNK wins. Come on Kyo beat a demi-god. Or Iori who is the only one that can take on Kyo. Then there is Terry who trains even harder than Ryu. Etc. etc. All the SNK characters by story kick ass.
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| iggy
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| "Re(5):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 10:21
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Story wise in CvS 2. SNK wins. Come on Kyo beat a demi-god. Or Iori who is the only one that can take on Kyo. Then there is Terry who trains even harder than Ryu. Etc. etc. All the SNK characters by story kick ass.
Not a demi god...
They beated 4 demi gods, plus Orochi who is a real god, plus Ignitz and all the what ever they are guys of the Nests, the Samurai Spirits cast destroyed a few allmighty demons too....
Meanwhile, most of the SF cast had to use a space laser to beat Vega, and they fought a ridiculous colored thing in the sequel. On the other hand, most of the Vampire cast is immortal or have died at least 1 time and resurected, and has really superhuman powers.
I think the scale would be SF (nearly human) - KOF (able to take down gods) - Vampire (at least equal to the Marvel drag queens, I think).
Another proof of the superiority of the KOF cast? They fought the almighty American Sports Team, when the Street Fighters only had Captain Sawada.
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| MrWhitefolks
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| "Re(10):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 23:18
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I'm sure that if SNK had felt inclined to do so, they could have had Orochi destroy Osaka or Goenitz do more than just cause a hurricane over the stadium. Just because they don't show them doing something doesn't mean they can't.
that's what i was thinking. the single most impressive display of destruction from the kof bosses was clone zero blowing up southtown, but it doesn't mean more isn't possible. orochi was sealed before it could even gain full strength. had it escaped, or had, say, akuma/gouki jacked iori and killed him or something(ending the sacred forces team), orochi would've just calmly evicted gouki from existence with some fruity holy light, or crushed the eenie weenie bit of soul the thing might have left.
what's worse, gouki's hideously ugly. i've never seen a nose that big...
see, you people say "that's not all they can do, just cuz they dont show it in game"...but you forget to realize that THAT exact same reasoning works for capcom chars.
be more open minded and less biased.
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| Iron D 1816th Post
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| "Re(10):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 23:34
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I'm sure that if SNK had felt inclined to do so, they could have had Orochi destroy Osaka or Goenitz do more than just cause a hurricane over the stadium. Just because they don't show them doing something doesn't mean they can't.
that's what i was thinking. the single most impressive display of destruction from the kof bosses was clone zero blowing up southtown, but it doesn't mean more isn't possible. orochi was sealed before it could even gain full strength. had it escaped, or had, say, akuma/gouki jacked iori and killed him or something(ending the sacred forces team), orochi would've just calmly evicted gouki from existence with some fruity holy light, or crushed the eenie weenie bit of soul the thing might have left.
what's worse, gouki's hideously ugly. i've never seen a nose that big...
Zero didn't blow up Southtown. The Zero Cannon blew up Southtown.
Come on. If these 'god' bosses were so freakin' powerful...and could pull off such feats...why is it that almost exactly as each new KoF boss is introduced, he gets his @$$ handed to him? I mean, with all that power, you'd assume they'd somehow at least be able to keep themselves alive for more than one game...
Oh, and Gouki's a demon. That's why his nose looks like that. He ain't human.
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| Iron D 1817th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Who really won?" , posted Fri 7 Jun 23:44
Let me add that what I said above is the reason why I, personally, always though that Geese, Bison, Pyron, Rugal (the only KoF boss to make more than one appearance, and no "Clone" Zero and Zero don't count), and quite a few others would toast any of the KoF "god" bosses except Orochi, but only because Orochi can only be hurt by the Kusanagi flames.
Which brings up another question: since there is such a limited number of people that can actually hurt Orochi (those of Kusanagi decent), doesn't it make him look even wussier when he has already been beaten twice (once while at full power), while Akuma, who anyone could theoretically hurt, has never been defeated?
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| DKW
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| "Apples 'n oranges, people." , posted Sat 8 Jun 00:55
Let me make one thing perfectly clear: the Marvel universe is separate from the Capcom and SNK universes. (Yes, I know Marvel once put out a Street Fighter comic; I'm talking superheroes.) You can't say for sure how Ken or Blanka or Balrog or Strider would fare against Magneto, Juggernaut, or Dr. Doom, because they never met in the comics. Sure, Maggie owns any of the puny humans he faces, but how many of them had Shinku-Hadokens or Somersault Justices or Final Atomic Busters? You simply cannot use a standard of power in one world to dictate who in it would or wouldn't dominate in another.
As far as fighting games are concerned, what matters the most is balance, i.e. giving everyone a relatively equal shot. Of course Yuri Sakazaki can't be as powerful as she is in KOF or AOF...she'd rip everyone on the Capcom side if she were. By the same token, Akuma can't be the dominator he is in SSF2T or SFA1. So comparing relative power on this scale is a non-starter as well.
And don't even start with "The Story". That's PURE fiction, ESPECIALLY anything and everything regarding Orochi. The idea that only a certain kind of fire has any effect on him is ludicrous. If it's actually true, then Orochi has no place in any fighting game (which is a separate issue in itself).
Let's be honest here: You have a bunch of people with fantastic powers against another bunch of people with completely different kinds of fantastic powers, there's no way in hell you're gonna deterine who's "better" or who "should win" in reality, assuming you can even determine which FICTITIOUS universe constitutes "reality". If you mean the actual real world, it's a meaningless issue, because these powers don't exist at all in the real world.
So let's just say they're all good and get on with our lives. Who's with me?
(C'mon, I know there's someone out there...  )
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| MrWhitefolks
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| "Re(1):Apples 'n oranges, people." , posted Sat 8 Jun 01:08
good shit there, nice n prudent.
but...i'm not saying which ones would be better or not, i'm just pondering the ideas(after a lengthy and semi-intelligent discussion about tiers) of who would be badass in a dream match scenerio and the overly fanatic snk guys here took it WAY to seriously.
see, i've played both the neogeo and capcom games(along with sega/namco/etc) ALOT for a LONG time and i see them as all equals. it's just that the fanatics that are biased to one side always try to make a "my guys are better than your guys" argument with story backups, etc. then naturally...i gotta retort with my own opinion that states that theyre equal.
etc etc etc
if we could just get these folks to realize that this is a discussion for fun and not for "my fav company" dominance, it'd be alot more interesting for the people on this forum.
so, i'm gonna summarize everything i've said on this thread so far so people don't get shit out of hand.
1- in CvS2, Capcom chars are in the top tiers. snk chars were overly badass(as were some capcom ones) in cvs1, and they were toned down...this time capcom chars just happened to be the most effiecent as of this post.
2- snk fucking rules
3- capcom fucking rules
4- both companies storylines are badass
5- you serious fans need to chill the hell out and have fun instead of taking this shit seriously to the point of turning a very interesting and decent thread into a full blown argument.
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p.s...we need more "hot fighting game babes" posts and a more laid back attitude towards threads like this.
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| Zyzyfer 432th Post
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| "Re(2):Apples 'n oranges, people." , posted Sat 8 Jun 02:37
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but...i'm not saying which ones would be better or not, i'm just pondering the ideas(after a lengthy and semi-intelligent discussion about tiers) of who would be badass in a dream match scenerio and the overly fanatic snk guys here took it WAY to seriously.
if we could just get these folks to realize that this is a discussion for fun and not for "my fav company" dominance, it'd be alot more interesting for the people on this forum.
5- you serious fans need to chill the hell out and have fun instead of taking this shit seriously to the point of turning a very interesting and decent thread into a full blown argument.
peace
MrWhitefolks
p.s...we need more "hot fighting game babes" posts and a more laid back attitude towards threads like this.
jeez...who said anyone's worked up? definitely not me...being one of the few people i'm willing to bet who knows where your screen name comes from, such a knowledge *requires* a laid back approach to things, mistah whitefolks.
but seriously, who's getting serious, other than me just now? i don't see any fanboys getting angry as all getout, but then i think people on this forum tend to be some of the most tightassed, nonjoketaking, defensive people i've seen on a board. and now the professor's gonna kick my ass ^^;
i mean, i make a crack at gouki being an ugly sumbeeznatch and i got people reminding me that he's a demon like i didn't already know. to roll with the sarcasm bandwagon though, well hell, orochi's a demon in humanity's eyes as well, but he's darn purdy.
frankly, all i know is i said i don't buy tiers, and then i gots people telling me i'm wrong. soon as i agree with people saying they don't care about tiers, it looks like i'm getting labelled, as quoted above. whatever. i ain't sweatin' it. but i'll just let ya know i noticed.
i know you're trying to play a relative moderator in the current issue here and all, but people like to have their opinions, and it's acceptance, not correction, that gets the mad props. if someone's an snk fanboy, let 'em be. if someone's a capcom fanboy, let 'em be. i played sf2 long before i ever heard of some kof, but i'm gettin' called a company favorer? errrrrrr.....funk dat noise.
frankly, i never saw any game footage where gouki sunk a submarine or chopped mount uluru/ayers rock in half, so someone mind filling me in? manga don't count as a source.
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| Rid Hershel 2804th Post
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| "Re(1):Apples 'n oranges, people." , posted Sat 8 Jun 11:00
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Let me make one thing perfectly clear: the Marvel universe is separate from the Capcom and SNK universes. (Yes, I know Marvel once put out a Street Fighter comic; I'm talking superheroes.) You can't say for sure how Ken or Blanka or Balrog or Strider would fare against Magneto, Juggernaut, or Dr. Doom, because they never met in the comics. Sure, Maggie owns any of the puny humans he faces, but how many of them had Shinku-Hadokens or Somersault Justices or Final Atomic Busters? You simply cannot use a standard of power in one world to dictate who in it would or wouldn't dominate in another.
As far as fighting games are concerned, what matters the most is balance, i.e. giving everyone a relatively equal shot. Of course Yuri Sakazaki can't be as powerful as she is in KOF or AOF...she'd rip everyone on the Capcom side if she were. By the same token, Akuma can't be the dominator he is in SSF2T or SFA1. So comparing relative power on this scale is a non-starter as well.
And don't even start with "The Story". That's PURE fiction, ESPECIALLY anything and everything regarding Orochi. The idea that only a certain kind of fire has any effect on him is ludicrous. If it's actually true, then Orochi has no place in any fighting game (which is a separate issue in itself).
Let's be honest here: You have a bunch of people with fantastic powers against another bunch of people with completely different kinds of fantastic powers, there's no way in hell you're gonna deterine who's "better" or who "should win" in reality, assuming you can even determine which FICTITIOUS universe constitutes "reality". If you mean the actual real world, it's a meaningless issue, because these powers don't exist at all in the real world.
So let's just say they're all good and get on with our lives. Who's with me?
(C'mon, I know there's someone out there... )
I'm with you this time DKW...
Wise post.
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| Burning Kyo 417th Post
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| "Re(1):Apples 'n oranges, people." , posted Sat 8 Jun 13:38
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Let me make one thing perfectly clear: the Marvel universe is separate from the Capcom and SNK universes. (Yes, I know Marvel once put out a Street Fighter comic; I'm talking superheroes.) You can't say for sure how Ken or Blanka or Balrog or Strider would fare against Magneto, Juggernaut, or Dr. Doom, because they never met in the comics. Sure, Maggie owns any of the puny humans he faces, but how many of them had Shinku-Hadokens or Somersault Justices or Final Atomic Busters? You simply cannot use a standard of power in one world to dictate who in it would or wouldn't dominate in another.
As far as fighting games are concerned, what matters the most is balance, i.e. giving everyone a relatively equal shot. Of course Yuri Sakazaki can't be as powerful as she is in KOF or AOF...she'd rip everyone on the Capcom side if she were. By the same token, Akuma can't be the dominator he is in SSF2T or SFA1. So comparing relative power on this scale is a non-starter as well.
And don't even start with "The Story". That's PURE fiction, ESPECIALLY anything and everything regarding Orochi. The idea that only a certain kind of fire has any effect on him is ludicrous. If it's actually true, then Orochi has no place in any fighting game (which is a separate issue in itself).
Let's be honest here: You have a bunch of people with fantastic powers against another bunch of people with completely different kinds of fantastic powers, there's no way in hell you're gonna deterine who's "better" or who "should win" in reality, assuming you can even determine which FICTITIOUS universe constitutes "reality". If you mean the actual real world, it's a meaningless issue, because these powers don't exist at all in the real world.
So let's just say they're all good and get on with our lives. Who's with me?
(C'mon, I know there's someone out there... )
Talk about a girl who has no master 'n who can throw a fireball !
Whereas Shingo has a master 'n who can't use fire yet.
Peace ! 
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| Dutch Schultz
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| "Crapcom vs. SNGay" , posted Sat 8 Jun 19:35
let's see. gouki is looking for a fighter that can beat him so he can die, or something along those lines. the fact that he's alive shows that no one has beaten him.
Ignus vs. Gill; Gill and Ignus should be the last bosses of CvS3- i'd say they're the most evenly matched bosses of both companies, and they both want to be gods.. gill wants to be a god by collecting fighters or something, and ignus by flying him blimp around. i think both have no idea what being a god entails, because i'm sure it doesn't involve flying a blimp.
if not ignus, then orochi.
orochi was some guy with pants, orochi at half power is a suitable enemy for Gill. i'd say they're equally powerful; think of it this way; iori and kyo kill orochi. gouki (storywise) could probably beat those 20 year old punks, since he's all about fighting. gill fights gouki, i assume, and wins. probably cause gill has that ressurection move, ohhhh and that seraphic wings move!!.....
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| Zyzyfer 435th Post
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| "Re(6):Apples 'n oranges, people." , posted Sat 8 Jun 21:02:
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And also, Zyzy, what did Zepy ever do to you? O_o
he duked me up the butt with his fishing rod! that stupid cockle game! *hint, i know zepy from elsewhere* this is precisely the thing that i was talking about about people being uptight...they're sensitive to anything said their way and get riled up. i make a joke about zepy using a pork cutlet as his posting icon and suddenly i'm getting labelled a flamer? by someone other than the person i was talking to? jeez, calm down yo.
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I also don't think that comment about the board members being the most can't-take-a-jokingest-mofos-that-ever-lived isn't quite called for. I mean, tensions flare from time to time with anyone. People here are passionate about their fighters, but I do agree that it's good to take a step back.
it's just my opinion, and you're proving my point. so much is uncalled for here, and it's not even the professor's rules. it's just the general attitude of the board. i like some people here, which is why i keep coming back eventually, but a lot of the times, i find myself having to hold opinions to myself because i just know somebody's gonna jump out with their video game book of knowledge and try to tell me how it all is. at the end of the day, it's all useless opinions anyways, and i don't walk away feeling obliged to straighten out everyone else. it feels odd enough to sit here trying to explain to you my point, because it's self-defeatist, and makes me look dumb when you think about it, but i'm just trying to spread some easiness on the forum. it's usually met pretty roughly.
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gill wants to be a god by collecting fighters or something, and ignus by flying him blimp around. i think both have no idea what being a god entails, because i'm sure it doesn't involve flying a blimp.
without a doubt the best thing i've read today. if being a god entails flying a blimp, i'm soooooooooooo there.
mr. whitefolks just trying to deny his heritage yo~
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| Time Mage 578th Post
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| "Opinions are good." , posted Mon 10 Jun 03:47
As someone said here (I don't recall now), people in this bbs is too sensible about "flames" and such. I know, they don't want this to be a shoryuken.com forums-like (fillled with insults, flames, and some very, very good posts), but sometimes their attitude is ridiculous.
In my opinion, people should be free to expose their opinions, but in a polite way. There's one example: the poll about the preference of Capcom or SNK had like 60 posts (I think), but all opinions were perfectly educated. Some expressed their fears about that turning into a flame war, but it didn't.
If someone acts bad, like flaming constantly and intentionally, and/or insulting people, they should be warned then if repeat, banned. Otherwise, let's for once believe in people. I do that, and it works wonders.
Oh, btw, strictly storyline-wise, *I* think that SNK would win, because of the reasons stated above, they fight gods and demi gods, etc... Of course Capcom could do a storyline in which their chars fighted powerfull-galaxy-destroying gods, but until they do that, SNK would won.
And by no means Terry trains more than Ryu. Ryu is the ultimate masochist.
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| Ultima 252th Post
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| "Re(1):Who really won?" , posted Mon 10 Jun 08:35
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Capcom vs Marvel
I think Capcom won in that match up because Marvel just sucks.
Wow. First time I've ever heard anyone claim Marvel "sucked" in MvC(2). o_O
I think Marvel wins no matter which way you look at it. I like Capcom as much as anyone, but the characters aren't quite on the level of Cable, Sentinel, Magneto, Ironman, Doom and co. Those characters are classic. And that's just in terms of design. Don't even talk about gameplay, where you get Strider on point, Cammy/Commando/Ken/Tronne as assists, and almost nothing else. Marvel wins this one easily.
> Capcom vs SNK
Capcom is looking like if it's going to come out on top. Cause, to me, good old Capcom has the better characters (i.e., Gouki/Shin Gouki, Gen, e.t.c) and what does SNK have?
Are you talking about the actual CvS games here, or just in general? Since Gen wasn't in any CvS game I ever played (unfortunately).
In CvS2, Capcom has the extreme ends - they have both the best characters (Sagat,Blanka,Cammy,Vega,Bison), and the worst characters (Zangief, Kyosuke, Yun, Dan). SNK is in the middle, but I their "average good" characters are better than the Capcom average good. Hard to call this one, but leaning towards Capcom since they get more play.
Future match-ups: Don't care. They don't exist, and aren't likely to. The only one I would be interested in would be Marvel vs DC - now THAT would be something to see.
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| Time Mage 579th Post
New Red Carpet Member
| "Re(4):Opinions are good." , posted Mon 10 Jun 08:40
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I was taklking about personal insults and agressions.
That's not very often here. Different opinions, yes, they exist, but flames are not common.
You can response to someone that likes Capcom better saying that you think SNK is better because A and B and C (all in-game or storyline arguments, for example). That's arguing with someone and not falling in a flame war. Other thing is that you consider the debate useful or not, but as long as it's educated (even if I believe it's a stupid discussion, and a definitely intense one), I won't say "don't start a flame war".
Believe in people, and be a little more lenient. I think most of us know when to stop. And if for some reason someone surpasses the limits, yes, we can say: "Hold on, XXXXXXX, cool off".
I don't know if I'm explaining myself correctly, but I haven't more time to explain, bye!
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| Burning Kyo 429th Post
Gold Customer
|  "Re(5):Opinions are good."
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I was taklking about personal insults and agressions.
That's not very often here. Different opinions, yes, they exist, but flames are not common.
You can response to someone that likes Capcom better saying that you think SNK is better because A and B and C (all in-game or storyline arguments, for example). That's arguing with someone and not falling in a flame war. Other thing is that you consider the debate useful or not, but as long as it's educated (even if I believe it's a stupid discussion, and a definitely intense one), I won't say "don't start a flame war".
Believe in people, and be a little more lenient. I think most of us know when to stop. And if for some reason someone surpasses the limits, yes, we can say: "Hold on, XXXXXXX, cool off".
I don't know if I'm explaining myself correctly, but I haven't more time to explain, bye!
We should close this thread, no ?
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