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Shin ATproof

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"Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 18:55

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I just saw the demo footage of it and I must say IMHO it looks like it's going to be the best Metal Gear yet...I wonder if they will make the Snake/Plant game an actual story.

FEAR THE GIANT SOLDIERS!

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Kitsune413
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"Re(1):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 19:01

quote:
Poll

I just saw the demo footage of it and I must say IMHO it looks like it's going to be the best Metal Gear yet...I wonder if they will make the Snake/Plant game an actual story.

FEAR THE GIANT SOLDIERS!

Yeah, they do Snake's part of the bomb disarmaments and stuff on the plant. ^_^ and then there are the five snake episodes. whatever those are. ^_~

whitesword

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"Re(2):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 19:21

The ability to use the sword from the very beginning!? I'm in!!

Olivier Hagué
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"Re(2):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 19:30

quote:
Yeah, they do Snake's part of the bomb disarmaments and stuff on the plant. ^_^

Hmm... Are you _sure_ about that? Where did you read that?

Kitsune413
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"Re(3):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 19:38

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Yeah, they do Snake's part of the bomb disarmaments and stuff on the plant. ^_^
Hmm... Are you _sure_ about that? Where did you read that?

An interview with Hideo Kojima (One of my favorite developers!) on IGN.com and Gamespot.com he talked about alot of the details. You can skateboard in a suit. ^__^ you can play as the Ninja, you can play as Raiden dressed up like a Ninja. You can play the Tanker as Raiden (even though there's no story becuase he's not there) with the sword at the beginning. ^___^

But also said that you could play Snake's part of the Plant, going to do his thing and that there would be Five Snake Episodes to play through...

and then tons and tons of virtua missions. ^__^

Kuro
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"Re(4):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 20:52

quote:
Yeah, they do Snake's part of the bomb disarmaments and stuff on the plant. ^_^
Hmm... Are you _sure_ about that? Where did you read that?

An interview with Hideo Kojima (One of my favorite developers!) on IGN.com and Gamespot.com he talked about alot of the details. You can skateboard in a suit. ^__^ you can play as the Ninja, you can play as Raiden dressed up like a Ninja. You can play the Tanker as Raiden (even though there's no story becuase he's not there) with the sword at the beginning. ^___^

But also said that you could play Snake's part of the Plant, going to do his thing and that there would be Five Snake Episodes to play through...

and then tons and tons of virtua missions. ^__^

Let me get this straight..Kojima made an entirely new quest for an unofficial "sequel"? Sounds too good to be true. Way too good to be true. I'm sure whatever it is, it doesn't even begin to compare to the level of detail put in the original MGS2.

ONSLAUGHT

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"ONSLAUGHT says..." , posted Mon 27 May 21:13

quote:
Poll

I just saw the demo footage of it and I must say IMHO it looks like it's going to be the best Metal Gear yet...I wonder if they will make the Snake/Plant game an actual story.

FEAR THE GIANT SOLDIERS!

I MUST GET THIS GAME!!! nuff said!

Kitsune413
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"Re(5):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 21:17

Read the Article. ^_^

Hideo Kojima ^_^

Juan

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"interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 21:30

Wise man he is.

Kojima: Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better, but the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2. They're not that different. If I spent a lot of time creating a game specific for the Xbox, I could come up with something great. But I feel that they are basically the same, you know, memory wise, etc.
Kojima: We developed Sons of Liberty for the PlayStation 2. So to fit that hardware, and converting it to another system, for the Xbox, it's very difficult. And so when you test the game and use the Xbox controller, it's very huge...It's enormous compared to the PlayStation 2 controller.

Freeter

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"Re(3):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 21:33

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The ability to use the sword from the very beginning!? I'm in!!

They should at least improve the control of that blasted thing. Comboing is a pain in the ass with the stick.

Kitsune413
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"Re(1):interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 21:41

quote:
Wise man he is.

Kojima: Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better, but the systems are pretty much the same, the Xbox and the PS2. They're not that different. If I spent a lot of time creating a game specific for the Xbox, I could come up with something great. But I feel that they are basically the same, you know, memory wise, etc.
Kojima: We developed Sons of Liberty for the PlayStation 2. So to fit that hardware, and converting it to another system, for the Xbox, it's very difficult. And so when you test the game and use the Xbox controller, it's very huge...It's enormous compared to the PlayStation 2 controller.

I knew somebody would say that! ^__^

Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better

If I spent a lot of time creating a game specific for the Xbox, I could come up with something great.

But you should be more fair with your bolding.

Juan

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"bold interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 21:55:

But my bolding is very fair indeed! :D

quote:

Ahhh, the Xbox, the graphics are probably a little better

Alittle better! only a little!

quote:
If I spent a lot of time creating a game specific for the Xbox, I could come up with something great.

And surely if he took a lot of time creating a game specific for any other system he could come with something great! he is great!

FISSION MAILED!!! I NEED SCISSORS!! 61!!!!!!!!!

*gnaws on zombie toes*

[this message was edited by Juan on Mon 27 May 22:01]

Kitsune413
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"Re(1):bold interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 22:02

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But my bolding is very fair indeed! :D

<Juan>Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's bolding is the fairest of all...

^__^

RugalBernstein

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"Re(2):bold interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 22:15

I get the feeling you love the Xbox like a child. ^_^

Kitsune413
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"Re(3):bold interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 22:44

quote:
I get the feeling you love the Xbox like a child. ^_^

Me? ^_^ I like them all really. I don't think any one system is better than the other as far as games go. However, as far as technical specifications, I'd say that if you denounced the Xbox it just means that your close minded.

I try not to trash any of the systems, I think if you close yourself up like that it's really sad actually. So, like I said in the DOA post, I try to remain objective. I really love the PS2 and It's a very impressive system, but I also know that it has limits, just like any other machine. So if a developer wanted to be the least limited as far as what he could do, right now he'd choose to program for the Xbox.

But nobody is picking on the PS2 or the Gamecube, So I don't have to defend those two machines. Instead everybody is very close minded about the Xbox. Lieing to themselves.

I don't own a gamecube, it doesn't have any games I want on it, but at the same time, I don't think that it's a bad system. It's got alot more power than the PS2 does after all, however, I also realize that the Xbox has alot more power than the gamecube...

What developers choose to do with that power really is up to them, but if Somebody says that the power doesn't exist I tihnk they're just being blind. ^_^

RugalBernstein

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"Re(4):bold interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 22:51

I was only teasing you, anyway. ^_^ I have to admit, I am a bit biased against the X-box, but that stems from a general dislike of Microsoft in combination with memories of previous American game systems ( Jaguar, mostly.. ugh. ) I can admit it, though. ^_^ As for DOA, I don't think its a bad series. I DO think that DOA Volleyball is trying to suck customers in through use of naughtiness. ^_^

Kitsune413
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"Re(5):bold interesting comments" , posted Mon 27 May 22:58

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I DO think that DOA Volleyball is trying to suck customers in through use of naughtiness. ^_^

I don't know, I think you could say the same about all the Doa related products except Ninja Gaiden!

Unless Kasumi shows up in a cameo role... ¬_¬ and then there's always Irene.

Ninja Gaiden, now with Fanservice! ^__^

Anyways, I might love my Dreamcast like a child! Though, I guess that means I have to admit that my child is slower than all the other kids now. ~_~

Olivier Hagué
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"Re(4):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 23:48

quote:
But also said that you could play Snake's part of the Plant, going to do his thing and that there would be Five Snake Episodes to play through...

I read these interviews, and I don't think we should assume we will be go after bombs in Shell 2, fighting the new Ninja, etc... As a matter of fact, I think we probably won't. ^^;
Kojima just said that we would play as Snake in the Plant, but that could just be a different "skin" for Raiden, in a way, if you see what I mean?...

Shin ATproof

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"Re(5):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Mon 27 May 23:51

quote:
But also said that you could play Snake's part of the Plant, going to do his thing and that there would be Five Snake Episodes to play through...
I read these interviews, and I don't think we should assume we will be go after bombs in Shell 2, fighting the new Ninja, etc... As a matter of fact, I think we probably won't. ^^;
Kojima just said that we would play as Snake in the Plant, but that could just be a different "skin" for Raiden, in a way, if you see what I mean?...

I was hoping they create an "alternate storyline" and have it as if Snake was going through the Plant by himself...that would be cool...because I played the Raiden game so many times I even remember most of the lines...

Gojira

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"Re(1):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 00:01

Yeah, it sounds like you can play as Snake in the plant with his Iriquis Pliskin look, but I don't think he meant you play the actual part. Not to mention I don't believe they called David Hayter back to record new stuff for the game since he's been hard at work on X-Men 2.

Will this include the theater mode from Japanese MGS2? I think I asked before but I forgot to check for an answer.

Kitsune413
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"Re(6):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 00:08

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I was hoping they create an "alternate storyline" and have it as if Snake was going through the Plant by himself...that would be cool...because I played the Raiden game so many times I even remember most of the lines...

Thats true, however I'm pretty certain I read somewhere that Hideo said you could play through the plant and see Snake's part of the bomb disarment, but I'm not sure where I saw it! ^_^ There were like three interviews with him.

Shin ATproof

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"Re(7):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 00:10

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I was hoping they create an "alternate storyline" and have it as if Snake was going through the Plant by himself...that would be cool...because I played the Raiden game so many times I even remember most of the lines...

Thats true, however I'm pretty certain I read somewhere that Hideo said you could play through the plant and see Snake's part of the bomb disarment, but I'm not sure where I saw it! ^_^ There were like three interviews with him.

Know where I can go to check out these interviews?

sabo10
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"Re(1):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 01:04

"When we did Sons of Liberty on PlayStation 2, we created a great picture, and then we added a bunch of filters of rain or mist or you know, whatever, to create the air, like for instance, on the tanker. We created a lot of noise onto something that was very beautiful. Doing that on the Xbox doesn't really work that well. "

I KNEW it! I always knew the xbox's graphics where high powered crap. Ever since day one I've been complaining that the xbox's graphics have a kind of overcrisp PC look to them and everyone just replies "OMFG lamer Xbox is mindblowing power OMFG JIZZ."

Thank you Mr. Kojima for confirming that the xbox is uncapable of presenting soft, natural looking graphics.

Kitsune413
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"Re(8):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 06:10

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Know where I can go to check out these interviews?

Other than the IGN one? Well, I think there are two on gamespot, but it's possible they've been locked up by now, you should go to gamespot.com and check. ^_^

Sabo, he didn't say he couldn't do it, he just said that he had to go about doing it in a different way as the way he did it on the ps2.

Kitsune413
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"Re(8):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 06:31

quote:
Know where I can go to check out these interviews?

Try this: ^_^

Hideo

I'm pretty sure there is another article running around where they talk to him somewhere, I don't know where I saw it. I remember Hideo saying you can do Snake's part of the bomb disarment though. I'll try and find it.

ONSLAUGHT

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"Pliskin" , posted Tue 28 May 08:53

quote:

Thats true, however I'm pretty certain I read somewhere that Hideo said you could play through the plant and see Snake's part of the bomb disarment, but I'm not sure where I saw it! ^_^ There were like three interviews with him.

I'm pretty sure that you can play the parts of the bomb disarment with Snake...
If you watch the vid carefuly, you will notice that Snake is shattering the wine bottles, and then proceding to freeze the bomb! That would mean something huh?

Freeter

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"Re(2):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 09:03

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Yeah, it sounds like you can play as Snake in the plant with his Iriquis Pliskin look, but I don't think he meant you play the actual part. Not to mention I don't believe they called David Hayter back to record new stuff for the game since he's been hard at work on X-Men 2.

That would be such a BIG cop-out if it was Raiden with the Pliskin model. I know I'd easily change my opinion of the game to "craptastic" in a heartbeat.

The Vamp battle screenshot might be evidence of this possibility though...I hope this won't be the case.

As for Hayter, he could've been paid to return for more voicework. It's not like he's directing X-Men 2.

Shin ATproof

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"Re(9):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 10:02

quote:
Know where I can go to check out these interviews?

Try this: ^_^

Hideo

I'm pretty sure there is another article running around where they talk to him somewhere, I don't know where I saw it. I remember Hideo saying you can do Snake's part of the bomb disarment though. I'll try and find it.

Thanks Kitsune! ^_^...man this is going to be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOL!

Puar
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"Re(1):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 11:50

Does anyone else view this as sort of a slap in the face? "Okay, we're sorry for throwing out MGS2 when it was incomplete and half-assed. Here's what we should've done and put out, but now you have to pay another $60 for it."

"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."

Freeter

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"Re(2):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 11:56

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Does anyone else view this as sort of a slap in the face? "Okay, we're sorry for throwing out MGS2 when it was incomplete and half-assed. Here's what we should've done and put out, but now you have to pay another $60 for it."

Sounds like Capcom

Shin ATproof

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"Re(2):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 12:38

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Does anyone else view this as sort of a slap in the face? "Okay, we're sorry for throwing out MGS2 when it was incomplete and half-assed. Here's what we should've done and put out, but now you have to pay another $60 for it."

Nah I see it as the movie industry does with DVD movies...I just think this is the "Special Edition" of the same product...you know how they go:

"Buy this movie because it kicks ass!"

then

"Buy the 'complete' version of the movie with all of these extras! Double kick ass!"

You know when Lucas puts the Star Wars movies on DVD it's first going to be:

"The Starwars DVD collection buy Episode 1-6 collection may the force be your wallet and shopping impulse"

Then like a month later...

"The NEW Starwars DVD collection you get Episode 1-6, a poster, a free starwars figure, a model life size lightsaber, a tube of toothpaste and a yoda plush toy"

Juan

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"Re(3):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 12:42

Yeah, and you are wearing a tag based on a game that should have been in DOA 3 as a mini game.

ah-ha-ha!

Everyone does it, not just capcom.

"the patriot: Braveheart champion edition!"

quote:
Does anyone else view this as sort of a slap in the face? "Okay, we're sorry for throwing out MGS2 when it was incomplete and half-assed. Here's what we should've done and put out, but now you have to pay another $60 for it."

Sounds like Capcom

Freeter

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"que?" , posted Tue 28 May 12:52

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Yeah, and you are wearing a tag based on a game that should have been in DOA 3 as a mini game.

ah-ha-ha!

Everyone does it, not just capcom.

"the patriot: Braveheart champion edition!"

Does anyone else view this as sort of a slap in the face? "Okay, we're sorry for throwing out MGS2 when it was incomplete and half-assed. Here's what we should've done and put out, but now you have to pay another $60 for it."

Sounds like Capcom

DOAVB is a whole new game, not an update of 3.

The force is blinding you, young Doguwan...

Puar
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"Re(1):que?" , posted Tue 28 May 12:56

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DOAVB is a whole new game, not an update of 3.

The force is blinding you, young Doguwan...

I think he means that it's not enough to merit a whole new game, it should've just been a mini-game that was in the third.

"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."

Freeter

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"Re(2):que?" , posted Tue 28 May 13:00

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I think he means that it's not enough to merit a whole new game, it should've just been a mini-game that was in the third.

At least they're offering a whole mess of new options to warrant it as a new game, it's not like DOA2 Hardcore where they pull a few new costumes and stages and ship it out.

Olivier Hagué
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"Re(1):Pliskin" , posted Tue 28 May 13:03

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I'm pretty sure that you can play the parts of the bomb disarment with Snake...
If you watch the vid carefuly, you will notice that Snake is shattering the wine bottles, and then proceding to freeze the bomb! That would mean something huh?

Not really... The actual bomb disarment is supposed to take place in the Plant, not on the Tanker.
It could be one of these "Alternative Missions", for example?...

wingzero

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"substance abuse" , posted Tue 28 May 14:04

quote:
Poll

I just saw the demo footage of it and I must say IMHO it looks like it's going to be the best Metal Gear yet...I wonder if they will make the Snake/Plant game an actual story.

FEAR THE GIANT SOLDIERS!

I really hope the new stuff is not just lame add ons like people have said- ex, replacing raiden with pliskin/snake and thats it. although the boarding and vr missions will be cool. but if it's just some cheap add on then forget it.

shrapnel

Dr Baghead

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"Re(2):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 14:09

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Yeah, it sounds like you can play as Snake in the plant with his Iriquis Pliskin look, but I don't think he meant you play the actual part. Not to mention I don't believe they called David Hayter back to record new stuff for the game since he's been hard at work on X-Men 2.

In the IGN interview Kojima said Hayter and Raiden's VA would be returning to do some voice work... this game has been in planning for a while (since MGS2 ended production) so I'm sure they called David up and asked him to come do some more lines...

I'm wondering how they're going to do it... even if Snake and Raiden just traded lines, they need to bring back other VA's to record new reactions... Rose would need to be completely redone for Snake (maybe there's a God and for Snake they'll use Mei-Ling again?)

quote:
Thank you Mr. Kojima for confirming that the xbox is uncapable of presenting soft, natural looking graphics.

and you, shut up. No one likes a moron

Nifty Lifty
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"Re(1):substance abuse" , posted Tue 28 May 14:10

Since I missed out on this game first time around I'm definetly going to wait to play this one on ps2

Kitsune413
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"Re(3):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 15:17

quote:

In the IGN interview Kojima said Hayter and Raiden's VA would be returning to do some voice work... this game has been in planning for a while (since MGS2 ended production) so I'm sure they called David up and asked him to come do some more lines...

I'm wondering how they're going to do it... even if Snake and Raiden just traded lines, they need to bring back other VA's to record new reactions... Rose would need to be completely redone for Snake (maybe there's a God and for Snake they'll use Mei-Ling again?)

Yeah, if you remember correctly MGS2 was actually really rushed by the end! He had to make those release dates. MGS2:substance has alot of stuff he didn't have time to finish I guess.

Kitsune413
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"Re(4):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 17:18

Kojima isn't telling the whole truth in that interview... like it seemed to me like he was saying there wouldn't be new weapons... and maybe I just read it wrong, but I don't recall ever using a shotgun or a rocket launcher! 0_0 Check this ten meg trailer!

Link Here

RugalBernstein

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"New Ninja Gaiden..." , posted Tue 28 May 18:48

Since this was recently brought up, I've been wondering. What do people hope to see in this game? Myself, I'm pulling for the return of Jaquio. ^_^

Freeter

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"Re(1):New Ninja Gaiden..." , posted Tue 28 May 19:29

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Since this was recently brought up, I've been wondering. What do people hope to see in this game? Myself, I'm pulling for the return of Jaquio. ^_^

No more scifi crap like part 3. The whole Bionoid deal was utterly ridiculous and pointless.

As long as it can maintain the spirit of the first two NES games(I disregard the third and all other incarnations), that's all I want.

A new Jaquio wouldn't hurt either...

pointystick

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"Re(2):New Ninja Gaiden..." , posted Tue 28 May 19:34

I enjoyed the hell out of the VR missions in the first MGS, so I might shell out for this game, even though I already have MGS2.

Dr Baghead

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"Re(1):New Ninja Gaiden..." , posted Tue 28 May 21:26

quote:
Since this was recently brought up, I've been wondering. What do people hope to see in this game? Myself, I'm pulling for the return of Jaquio. ^_^

I personally don't think Skateboarind is silly enough... I would like to see Snake turn paper thin and rap againist a Kung-Fu Onion, in two player Raiden joins in on guitar...

Fro Boy11

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"Re(1):Metal Gear Substance poll" , posted Tue 28 May 21:30

quote:
Poll

I just saw the demo footage of it and I must say IMHO it looks like it's going to be the best Metal Gear yet...I wonder if they will make the Snake/Plant game an actual story.

FEAR THE GIANT SOLDIERS!

The way I see it, I HAVE TO GET THIS GAME!!! I don't have any PS2 games, and I've beaten MGS2 already and with the extra stuff on this new one I think it's worth it.

Shin ATproof

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"Re(2):New Ninja Gaiden..." , posted Tue 28 May 22:08

quote:
Since this was recently brought up, I've been wondering. What do people hope to see in this game? Myself, I'm pulling for the return of Jaquio. ^_^

I personally don't think Skateboarind is silly enough... I would like to see Snake turn paper thin and rap againist a Kung-Fu Onion, in two player Raiden joins in on guitar...

Traq! Sneak! It's all in the mind...

Fro Boy11

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"Re(2):New Ninja Gaiden..." , posted Tue 28 May 22:13

quote:
Since this was recently brought up, I've been wondering. What do people hope to see in this game? Myself, I'm pulling for the return of Jaquio. ^_^

I personally don't think Skateboarind is silly enough... I would like to see Snake turn paper thin and rap againist a Kung-Fu Onion, in two player Raiden joins in on guitar...

LOL