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"Poor Athena" , posted Sun 26 May 20:41post reply


Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF.

I loved her costumes all the way til 2k(except 95). I also liked her because she was a character that bothered to change. Which adds to her personality.

But,I've wondered how she'll be in 2k2. Maybe with a Sinead O'Connor type of haircut.

Maybe they'll axe her. I mean,they've taken her pretty far. I don't see how else they can evolve her.

That sucks that they picked her 95 outfit for CvS2. That one kind of sucked.






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"Re(1):Poor Athena" , posted Sun 26 May 21:03post reply


quote:
Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF.

I loved her costumes all the way til 2k(except 95). I also liked her because she was a character that bothered to change. Which adds to her personality.

But,I've wondered how she'll be in 2k2. Maybe with a Sinead O'Connor type of haircut.

Maybe they'll axe her. I mean,they've taken her pretty far. I don't see how else they can evolve her.

That sucks that they picked her 95 outfit for CvS2. That one kind of sucked.



I don't know what's wrong with her 95 outfit... and wasn't she the same in 94 and 95....





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"Re(1):Poor Athena" , posted Sun 26 May 21:17post reply


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Maybe they'll axe her. I mean,they've taken her pretty far. I don't see how else they can evolve her.


Remove her? Ho ho ho, it seems she's going to be one of the main characters, and she's amazingly popular, so I seriously doubt she'll be cut. I actually like her looks in KOF 2001 ( the actual sprite, not the art )...





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"Re(2):Poor Athena" , posted Sun 26 May 21:29post reply


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Maybe they'll axe her. I mean,they've taken her pretty far. I don't see how else they can evolve her.

Remove her? Ho ho ho, it seems she's going to be one of the main characters, and she's amazingly popular, so I seriously doubt she'll be cut. I actually like her looks in KOF 2001 ( the actual sprite, not the art )...



Yeah, the sprite is good.





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"Re(1):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 00:22post reply


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Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF.

I loved her costumes all the way til 2k(except 95). I also liked her because she was a character that bothered to change. Which adds to her personality.

But,I've wondered how she'll be in 2k2. Maybe with a Sinead O'Connor type of haircut.

Maybe they'll axe her. I mean,they've taken her pretty far. I don't see how else they can evolve her.

That sucks that they picked her 95 outfit for CvS2. That one kind of sucked.



I know what you're saying. I personally think that Athena's 98 outfit was the best. I don't like the short hair, but I read that she cut it short to get back at the gods because Kensou lost his psychic powers, and he got them back at the end of 2000 so I would have assumed that she would have her hair longer in 2001, but NO it's damn near manly how they have her hair (girls with short hair is OK, I don't have a problem with it)





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"Re(2):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 00:37:post reply


I like her 2K1 getup and idle stance the best, she looks more grown-up than ever. She is the same age as Kyo, after all. She's not a high school student, and it's about time she stopped looking like one.

Along the same lines, I hate how both her and Yuri look in CvS2, they look like 98oz weaklings. Recent KoF games have struck a good balance between them looking like little girls and like well trained fighters, and CvS went way too far in the shoujo direction, if you ask me.





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"Re(3):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 04:56post reply


I miss the '97 look for Athena, but lately I've started to like her new look, I don't see nothing wrong with it, really.





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"Re(4):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 07:02post reply


Yes,like you guys,I love the sprite. Just not the art.

pointystick: True,true.





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"Re(5):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 07:27post reply


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Yes,like you guys,I love the sprite. Just not the art.

pointystick: True,true.

Well, the in-game art NEVER was that good, except in KOF 2000...





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"Re(6):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 07:58post reply


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Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF

well uh .. when i first saw her art in kof 2001, i freaked out. then i thought about it... i don't think i would've freaked out so much if i hadn't seen Athena before. in other words, imo, i think they just went in a worse direction with the new artist's look, but if they had started her off with that look, she wouldn't have looked too bad

as for 2002, ehh, i dunno. i just hope she'd go back to her '99 outfit. i like that the best but then again, that was the first kof i ever played (thus, ever saw her in) so i'm prolly biased there


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Along the same lines, I hate how both her and Yuri look in CvS2, they look like 98oz weaklings. Recent KoF games have struck a good balance between them looking like little girls and like well trained fighters, and CvS went way too far in the shoujo direction, if you ask me.

you noticed that too?!!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM?!! christ they're not 12-year-olds! it annoyed the hell out of me when i saw their art done like that


i <3 Athena


oh yea, speaking of Athena, i was gonna mention this before but i totally forgot. in kof 99, i put the computer's difficulty on hardest and fought my best .. it took me a bit, but i struggled to get near the end when i ran into the women's team. it was pretty tough and so far the match was even. finally it was the last fight -- Athena vs Blue Mary. at first, Mary was slaughtering my ass, countering me and tossing me about the screen like a ragdoll. then finally, my life was low enough so that if i pulled off a DM, i'd have won the battle. i sat there, taunting her, hoping she'd come near me. finally when she did, i PUNCH and what happens?!!!

MARY COUNTERS MY PSYCHO BALL!!!

which finishes me off. i lost the match T_T
any comments? T_T
ARGH





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"Re(7):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 08:10post reply


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Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF
well uh .. when i first saw her art in kof 2001, i freaked out. then i thought about it... i don't think i would've freaked out so much if i hadn't seen Athena before. in other words, imo, i think they just went in a worse direction with the new artist's look, but if they had started her off with that look, she wouldn't have looked too bad

as for 2002, ehh, i dunno. i just hope she'd go back to her '99 outfit. i like that the best but then again, that was the first kof i ever played (thus, ever saw her in) so i'm prolly biased there


Along the same lines, I hate how both her and Yuri look in CvS2, they look like 98oz weaklings. Recent KoF games have struck a good balance between them looking like little girls and like well trained fighters, and CvS went way too far in the shoujo direction, if you ask me.
you noticed that too?!!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM?!! christ they're not 12-year-olds! it annoyed the hell out of me when i saw their art done like that


i <3 Athena


oh yea, speaking of Athena, i was gonna mention this before but i totally forgot. in kof 99, i put the computer's difficulty on hardest and fought my best .. it took me a bit, but i struggled to get near the end when i ran into the women's team. it was pretty tough and so far the match was even. finally it was the last fight -- Athena vs Blue Mary. at first, Mary was slaughtering my ass, countering me and tossing me about the screen like a ragdoll. then finally, my life was low enough so that if i pulled off a DM, i'd have won the battle. i sat there, taunting her, hoping she'd come near me. finally when she did, i PUNCH and what happens?!!!

MARY COUNTERS MY PSYCHO BALL!!!

which finishes me off. i lost the match T_T
any comments? T_T
ARGH



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"Re(8):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 08:14post reply


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Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF
well uh .. when i first saw her art in kof 2001, i freaked out. then i thought about it... i don't think i would've freaked out so much if i hadn't seen Athena before. in other words, imo, i think they just went in a worse direction with the new artist's look, but if they had started her off with that look, she wouldn't have looked too bad

as for 2002, ehh, i dunno. i just hope she'd go back to her '99 outfit. i like that the best but then again, that was the first kof i ever played (thus, ever saw her in) so i'm prolly biased there


Along the same lines, I hate how both her and Yuri look in CvS2, they look like 98oz weaklings. Recent KoF games have struck a good balance between them looking like little girls and like well trained fighters, and CvS went way too far in the shoujo direction, if you ask me.
you noticed that too?!!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM?!! christ they're not 12-year-olds! it annoyed the hell out of me when i saw their art done like that


i <3 Athena


oh yea, speaking of Athena, i was gonna mention this before but i totally forgot. in kof 99, i put the computer's difficulty on hardest and fought my best .. it took me a bit, but i struggled to get near the end when i ran into the women's team. it was pretty tough and so far the match was even. finally it was the last fight -- Athena vs Blue Mary. at first, Mary was slaughtering my ass, countering me and tossing me about the screen like a ragdoll. then finally, my life was low enough so that if i pulled off a DM, i'd have won the battle. i sat there, taunting her, hoping she'd come near me. finally when she did, i PUNCH and what happens?!!!

MARY COUNTERS MY PSYCHO BALL!!!

which finishes me off. i lost the match T_T
any comments? T_T
ARGH


Blue Mary owns you for free and a neuticle. Unlike the rest of you, I have no problem with the CvS2 sprites or art.



Blue Mary rocks!

BTW,Hungrywolf,I personally really like the CvS2 sprites and art as well. They're clean and clear. Unlike SNK's KOF's choppiness ones.





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"Re(9):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 08:18post reply


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Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF
well uh .. when i first saw her art in kof 2001, i freaked out. then i thought about it... i don't think i would've freaked out so much if i hadn't seen Athena before. in other words, imo, i think they just went in a worse direction with the new artist's look, but if they had started her off with that look, she wouldn't have looked too bad

as for 2002, ehh, i dunno. i just hope she'd go back to her '99 outfit. i like that the best but then again, that was the first kof i ever played (thus, ever saw her in) so i'm prolly biased there


Along the same lines, I hate how both her and Yuri look in CvS2, they look like 98oz weaklings. Recent KoF games have struck a good balance between them looking like little girls and like well trained fighters, and CvS went way too far in the shoujo direction, if you ask me.
you noticed that too?!!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM?!! christ they're not 12-year-olds! it annoyed the hell out of me when i saw their art done like that


i <3 Athena


oh yea, speaking of Athena, i was gonna mention this before but i totally forgot. in kof 99, i put the computer's difficulty on hardest and fought my best .. it took me a bit, but i struggled to get near the end when i ran into the women's team. it was pretty tough and so far the match was even. finally it was the last fight -- Athena vs Blue Mary. at first, Mary was slaughtering my ass, countering me and tossing me about the screen like a ragdoll. then finally, my life was low enough so that if i pulled off a DM, i'd have won the battle. i sat there, taunting her, hoping she'd come near me. finally when she did, i PUNCH and what happens?!!!

MARY COUNTERS MY PSYCHO BALL!!!

which finishes me off. i lost the match T_T
any comments? T_T
ARGH


Blue Mary owns you for free and a neuticle. Unlike the rest of you, I have no problem with the CvS2 sprites or art.


Blue Mary rocks!

BTW,Hungrywolf,I personally really like the CvS2 sprites and art as well. They're clean and clear. Unlike SNK's KOF's choppiness ones.



Oh, yeah, I feel the same way. I know a lot of that has to do with SNK still using the MVS system, but Capcom's sprites looked prettier. I don't know if they were talking about the art or the sprites when whoever it was said it made some of them look like "98 oz weaklings" but I thought it was all good in CvS2. I did dislike some of the CvS1 artwork though.





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"Re(10):Poor Athena" , posted Mon 27 May 08:26post reply


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Oh, yeah, I feel the same way. I know a lot of that has to do with SNK still using the MVS system, but Capcom's sprites looked prettier. I don't know if they were talking about the art or the sprites when whoever it was said it made some of them look like "98 oz weaklings" but I thought it was all good in CvS2. I did dislike some of the CvS1 artwork though.

I'll join the club, I liked the CvS sprites more too... of course, I even prefer the Last Blade/Garou style over the KOF one...





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"Re(1):Poor Athena" , posted Tue 28 May 06:21post reply


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Considering how ugly they made one of my favorite gals in 2k1,I wonder how Athena will be in the next KOF.

I loved her costumes all the way til 2k(except 95). I also liked her because she was a character that bothered to change. Which adds to her personality.

But,I've wondered how she'll be in 2k2. Maybe with a Sinead O'Connor type of haircut.

Maybe they'll axe her. I mean,they've taken her pretty far. I don't see how else they can evolve her.

That sucks that they picked her 95 outfit for CvS2. That one kind of sucked.



Maybe Playmore/Eolith/Whoever will be lazy bastards and not change her costume and you will have to live with the horrible design another year... Bwuwahahaha!





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"Re(2):Poor Athena" , posted Tue 28 May 06:23post reply


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I don't know what's wrong with her 95 outfit... and wasn't she the same in 94 and 95....



Nah, check it...

http://galactica-phantom.hypermart.net/94/psycho.gif

http://galactica-phantom.hypermart.net/95/psycho.gif

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"Re(3):Poor Athena" , posted Tue 28 May 08:24post reply


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I don't know what's wrong with her 95 outfit... and wasn't she the same in 94 and 95....


Nah, check it...

http://galactica-phantom.hypermart.net/94/psycho.gif

http://galactica-phantom.hypermart.net/95/psycho.gif

It's all in the sleeves, baby...



Well then her 95 outfit is better than her 94 one.





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"Re(1):Poor Athena" , posted Wed 29 May 02:12post reply


I really don't see what the big deal is with the short hair. King's had short hair (and dressed like a man!) since AOF1, and that hasn't seemed to hurt her appeal.

Almost without exception, all the character portraits in '01 are ugly. (Let me just say that's it's no small feat making someone like Vanessa ugly.) No idea why. Hope whoever's in charge of '02 does a lot better. (Personally, I think either '97 or '98 was the best.)

Never really had an issue with the outfits. Athena's a high-profile performer in two areas, fighting and singing, and the public is notoriously fickle. Dress for success, that's what I say. I don't even mind keeping that fake sailor uni around to toss off before each round (some guys really go for that, y'know).

Making her a little girly-girly girl in CvS2, a game she's 22 years old in, was just plain laziness, something Capcom has a bit of a reputation for. They just had no idea how to design a credible cute and pretty young WOMAN, so they used the '94 template. Frankly, this was unforgivable. I mean, they already had Chun Li as an example of how a Chinese WOMAN would look, so giving Athena WOMANLY charms like the successful, capable, confident WOMAN that she is shouldn't have been a huge challenge. (I won't even mention her gameplay; suffice it to say that a 22-YEAR-OLD <<WOMAN>> WHO'S BEEN FIGHTING IN THESE KINDS OF TOURNAMENTS FOR YEARS SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF MORE THAN THIS.)

Anyway, Athena's a cutie, and as long as she has her singing career, she always will be. Calling her ugly is a bit much, though.





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"Re(1):Poor Athena" , posted Wed 29 May 10:10post reply


Dammit, am I the only one who actually likes the new Athena? Well, likr DKW said, it's the portrait of her that makes her look pretty EFF (and it's true, it takes a whole lot to make Vanessa look as such), the sprite of Athena's still the same nose-push target she's always been. She kinda reminds me of "Sak" (Sakura). And despite my signature, I don't dislike Sakura that much. Blame it on the loss of the "SNK" artist on Athena's new look.

DKW: I think SNK "froze" and even retro-aged some of their characters by KOF2000 (since they saw that Kyo and company would be mega-old by then).... and in CvS2 which is of a "dream match" capacity...they could have chosen any Athena, really. Maybe they just liked the 94/5 Athena the best?





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"Re(2):Poor Athena" , posted Wed 29 May 11:36post reply


Yeah, Athena ISN'T 22 years old in CvS2. In fact, she's only 18 in KoF 2k1. (Yup, that's right!). Mai is only 21 in 2k1. They de-aged all the characters. I'm surprised you didn't know that? Athena's never been over 20.





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"Re(3):Poor Athena" , posted Wed 29 May 11:46post reply


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Yeah, Athena ISN'T 22 years old in CvS2. In fact, she's only 18 in KoF 2k1. (Yup, that's right!). Mai is only 21 in 2k1. They de-aged all the characters. I'm surprised you didn't know that? Athena's never been over 20.



yeah, I knew that SNK de-aged the characters and that upset me a little bit. I think that the characters should age and keep growing. It's not like it would hurt them too bad to be around 22-28 years old. This also messes up the MOTW storyline where Terry is supposed to be in his late 30's or something.





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"Re(4):Poor Athena" , posted Wed 29 May 13:05post reply


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Yeah, Athena ISN'T 22 years old in CvS2. In fact, she's only 18 in KoF 2k1. (Yup, that's right!). Mai is only 21 in 2k1. They de-aged all the characters. I'm surprised you didn't know that? Athena's never been over 20.


yeah, I knew that SNK de-aged the characters and that upset me a little bit. I think that the characters should age and keep growing. It's not like it would hurt them too bad to be around 22-28 years old. This also messes up the MOTW storyline where Terry is supposed to be in his late 30's or something.



Actually, Terry is about 35 (more mid-30s) in MotW so it works, and I was referring to DKW not knowing that they de-aged the characters, you made a mention of it. Sorry I didn't specify that.