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| OmegaDog
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|  "Re(1):3-d fighting games taking over?"
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What I could see is at least an attempt to do a decent 2D polygonal fighter with actual 2D fighting game physics and look. That means no ring or vast open space, an ability to jump high and quick, ability to bounce off walls on the sides -- essentially, recreate the looks and feel of a standard 2D fighter with all polygons instead of sprites.
Reason for this theory? I would imagine it would take a while for a character to be completely redrawn frame by frame -- and if outlined, cel-shaded, nicely-textured characters can eventually come to the point where they look almost indistinguishable from a hand-drawn sprite, and if it's easier just to move a skeleton around and make minor look modifications to a character by adding a few polygons here and there, I could see companies taking that route. Although I could imagine, during introductions, the camera remaining still instead of doing a pan (just so then it doesn't look THAT 3D). [ I know folks disagree with me here, saying that polygons won't replace sprites -- but, hey, I could at least see it attempted. ] It doesn't mean that handdrawing will be completely out -- it's just that perhaps what's hand-drawn later will be texture patterns instead, for those companies that might stick polygonal characters. (Truth be told, though, I'd still like to see hand-drawn characters remain -- it'd be cool to see how close polygonal characters get to looking like handdrawn animated ones, though.)
Now whether 2D gameplay will disappear completely -- no. Game designers seem to make the physics different between 2D and 3D games -- so there'll be room for 2D games still.
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| pointystick 580th Post
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| "Re(2):3-d fighting games taking over?" , posted Sun 5 May 15:28
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What I could see is at least an attempt to do a decent 2D polygonal fighter with actual 2D fighting game physics and look. That means no ring or vast open space, an ability to jump high and quick, ability to bounce off walls on the sides -- essentially, recreate the looks and feel of a standard 2D fighter with all polygons instead of sprites.
Reason for this theory? I would imagine it would take a while for a character to be completely redrawn frame by frame -- and if outlined, cel-shaded, nicely-textured characters can eventually come to the point where they look almost indistinguishable from a hand-drawn sprite, and if it's easier just to move a skeleton around and make minor look modifications to a character by adding a few polygons here and there, I could see companies taking that route. Although I could imagine, during introductions, the camera remaining still instead of doing a pan (just so then it doesn't look THAT 3D). [ I know folks disagree with me here, saying that polygons won't replace sprites -- but, hey, I could at least see it attempted. ] It doesn't mean that handdrawing will be completely out -- it's just that perhaps what's hand-drawn later will be texture patterns instead, for those companies that might stick polygonal characters. (Truth be told, though, I'd still like to see hand-drawn characters remain -- it'd be cool to see how close polygonal characters get to looking like handdrawn animated ones, though.)
Now whether 2D gameplay will disappear completely -- no. Game designers seem to make the physics different between 2D and 3D games -- so there'll be room for 2D games still.
I have been thinking of how good a game like that would be since I saw the first PSX games. There is nothing inherent to polygons that require that they be used to recreate 3D things, they could just as easily recreate flat things. I wanna see it happen!
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| Hungrywolf 831th Post
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| "Re(1):3-d fighting games taking over?" , posted Sun 5 May 18:28
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I was just wondering something. Do you guys think that 3d fighting games will eventually take over? I hear people talk about Tekken 4, VF4, SC2, MK:DA all the time, and never anything about about GGXX or ROTD or anything like that(in game magazines). Another question is do you think sf4 will convert over to 3d? I have nothing against 3d fighting games because when it comes to fighting games, I dont disciminate. But I dont want 2d to die anytime soon. What do you guys think about this?
I certainly hope 2d doesn't die at all...I mean, I like some 3d fighters (DoA, VF, SC) but I don't think they come close to great 2d fighters. I don't think they will ever be AS GOOD as 2d fighters. But anyway, that's what I think.
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| ChunliFan
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| "Re(2):3-d fighting games taking over?" , posted Sun 5 May 19:01
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I was just wondering something. Do you guys think that 3d fighting games will eventually take over? I hear people talk about Tekken 4, VF4, SC2, MK:DA all the time, and never anything about about GGXX or ROTD or anything like that(in game magazines). Another question is do you think sf4 will convert over to 3d? I have nothing against 3d fighting games because when it comes to fighting games, I dont disciminate. But I dont want 2d to die anytime soon. What do you guys think about this?
I certainly hope 2d doesn't die at all...I mean, I like some 3d fighters (DoA, VF, SC) but I don't think they come close to great 2d fighters. I don't think they will ever be AS GOOD as 2d fighters. But anyway, that's what I think.
I dont want to see them die either. 2d for life darnit!
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| UnCauzi
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| "Re(3):Story it has" , posted Mon 6 May 05:46
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Soul Calibur and Soul Blade have nice stories, too. And actually presented into the game. Tekken's story always was a little loose, but looks like Tekken 4 fixed that.
Right now, yeah, 2D fighters are better than 3D fighters, at least for us, the older hardcore gamers. But the kids of these days, they don't like 2D, and they're the new market. Nintendo! it's up to you and your GBA to bring the 2D interest to the new generations!!!!!
Bwahaha, I'm way old to the market started way back at SF:CE. Back when it had long assed lines to play. And guess what? I like 3D, in fact I'll say I like a lot of 3D games more than 2D. There are actually more out there like me, much more than you'd think. 3D will not take over, and it's not going anywhere and niether is 2D.
As long as there is a demand both will co-exist. Personally I'm just wondering where the game designers will take fighting games in general in the next 5 years.
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| Ezehordren
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| "Re(4):Story it has" , posted Mon 6 May 13:50
ok here is MY OWN PERSONAL OPINNION.
i born with mario bros...
and my whole life i was entitled to 2d adventure/fighing/shooting games...
and then 3d appears... and i mean REAL 3d no
2D polygon-char fighters
Project justice, sf alpha ex plus and so, plasma sword, star gladiators, even toshinden
are 2D FIGHTERS WITH POLIGONAL CHARS and graphic...
as i already said in this forum, imagine that Tekken Tag Tournament has only 40% of "3Dness"
imagine the rest of the game recently mentioned.
you just CANT compare 2d to 3d, compare is stupid as hell...
as an eample is like compare soccer to basketball
see 2d are two DIFERENT WORLDS and cant compare them...
both kind of game has slow titles, hard and fast ass titles, good games(KOF, t4), bad games(kof97, MK4) both of them has their own tricks, poking game, okizeme game, special moves...
But you cant compare it!
ok KOF is better cuz you cant throw projectiles
tekken is better cuz you can sidestep them
Street fighter is cool cuz you fill superbars and then make a huge desesperation move
well tekken has Unblockeable that take half lifebar away...
that`s just as an example, both kinds has their own wakness and strongness, no matter the side you choose, both has a lot to offer and it makes the fighting game scene to expand into another kind of games, i mean to keep evolving into every time faster and technic games.
NOBODY can said that 2D ARE LAME, OR 3D ARE THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER...
2 wrolds has lot of offer, and they arent better or worse than each other, they are just DIFFERENT
and the reason why 3d *SEEMS* to take over 2d simply, 2d gameplay is rather old... now 3d *SEEMS* to be the *NEXT STEP* on games, but 2d gameplay has millions of hardcore fans so it will NEVER end...
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| whitesword 686th Post
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| "Re(5):Story it has" , posted Mon 6 May 14:13
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ok here is MY OWN PERSONAL OPINNION.
i born with mario bros...
and my whole life i was entitled to 2d adventure/fighing/shooting games...
and then 3d appears... and i mean REAL 3d no
2D polygon-char fighters
Project justice, sf alpha ex plus and so, plasma sword, star gladiators, even toshinden
are 2D FIGHTERS WITH POLIGONAL CHARS and graphic...
as i already said in this forum, imagine that Tekken Tag Tournament has only 40% of "3Dness"
imagine the rest of the game recently mentioned.
you just CANT compare 2d to 3d, compare is stupid as hell...
as an eample is like compare soccer to basketball
see 2d are two DIFERENT WORLDS and cant compare them...
both kind of game has slow titles, hard and fast ass titles, good games(KOF, t4), bad games(kof97, MK4) both of them has their own tricks, poking game, okizeme game, special moves...
But you cant compare it!
ok KOF is better cuz you cant throw projectiles
tekken is better cuz you can sidestep them
Street fighter is cool cuz you fill superbars and then make a huge desesperation move
well tekken has Unblockeable that take half lifebar away...
that`s just as an example, both kinds has their own wakness and strongness, no matter the side you choose, both has a lot to offer and it makes the fighting game scene to expand into another kind of games, i mean to keep evolving into every time faster and technic games.
NOBODY can said that 2D ARE LAME, OR 3D ARE THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER...
2 wrolds has lot of offer, and they arent better or worse than each other, they are just DIFFERENT
and the reason why 3d *SEEMS* to take over 2d simply, 2d gameplay is rather old... now 3d *SEEMS* to be the *NEXT STEP* on games, but 2d gameplay has millions of hardcore fans so it will NEVER end...
:)
Stop using CAPS so much you annnoying spoony bard, and at least try to capatalize your "I"s.
Btw, don't give me any of this "You can't compare 3D and 2D cause they're so different" spooniness. Plasma Sword has more useful 3D movement in a single round than a whole tournament of Tekken, and yet it feels more like SF (With MvC sized supers) than anything else.
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| Iron D 1683th Post
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| "Bah!" , posted Mon 6 May 14:57
You know, I rarely even put the moiker of 2-d or 3-d on fighting games, because in the end THEY ARE JUST FIGHTING GAMES! Just like you should do to other people, JUDGE THE GAME WHAT IT IS, NOT BY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE! I swear that people complain that the "mainstream" game players judge fighting games by their looks and don't play 2-d games for that reason, yet I see a lot of people here (I won't name names) doing the same thing to 3-d fighting games.
I love fighting games, whether they be 3-d or 2-d. At one time or other my favorite fighting would have at one time been a 2-d or 3-d game. Currently my favorite fighting game is tied between SFA3 (2-d) and Soul Calibur (3-d). If it's a good fighting game I'll play it. Period.
On the subject at hand, no I don't think that 3-d will completely overtake 2-d. Despite the success of the Tekken games as of late, I still don't think that there is a single Tekken game that has made as much for Namco as MvC2 did for Capcom. And right now, CvS2 seems to be the "big thing" (as in getting the most attention and most play) around here.
To quote the mighty Capcom "2-d will never die!". Hear, hear!
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| OmegaDog
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| "Re(1):Bah!" , posted Mon 6 May 15:41:
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You know, I rarely even put the moiker of 2-d or 3-d on fighting games, because in the end THEY ARE JUST FIGHTING GAMES! Just like you should do to other people, JUDGE THE GAME WHAT IT IS, NOT BY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE! [snip]
The thing is, besides the polygons at least from my experience, most 3D fighters have in-game properties that are a lot different from 2D fighters (most 3D fighters either don't allow for high jumps, or the high jumps are really floaty; some 3D fighters (Tekken, especially) seem really stiff when trying to move characters around without attacking; there's normally a ring or a vast-wide open space, meaning no walls to bounce off of, etc.) . That's why I at least make the distinction between 2D and 3D fighting games in those regards. (And, yeah, I am sorta biased toward sprite-based fighters.)
And, yeah, my comments were only about the looks. Still, that's the change that I imagine will be attempted.
NEXT STAGE IS 2
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| wingzero 897th Post
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| "Re(1):Bah!" , posted Wed 8 May 05:38
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You know, I rarely even put the moiker of 2-d or 3-d on fighting games, because in the end THEY ARE JUST FIGHTING GAMES! Just like you should do to other people, JUDGE THE GAME WHAT IT IS, NOT BY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE! I swear that people complain that the "mainstream" game players judge fighting games by their looks and don't play 2-d games for that reason, yet I see a lot of people here (I won't name names) doing the same thing to 3-d fighting games.
I love fighting games, whether they be 3-d or 2-d. At one time or other my favorite fighting would have at one time been a 2-d or 3-d game. Currently my favorite fighting game is tied between SFA3 (2-d) and Soul Calibur (3-d). If it's a good fighting game I'll play it. Period.
On the subject at hand, no I don't think that 3-d will completely overtake 2-d. Despite the success of the Tekken games as of late, I still don't think that there is a single Tekken game that has made as much for Namco as MvC2 did for Capcom. And right now, CvS2 seems to be the "big thing" (as in getting the most attention and most play) around here.
To quote the mighty Capcom "2-d will never die!". Hear, hear!
yeah, amen my brother!
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| OmegaDog
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| "MVS Machines lacking fighting games..." , posted Wed 8 May 15:10
Yeah, in an arcade a bit off-campus, the MVS machine has Metal Slug 2 & 3, Bust-A-Move 2, and Captain Tomaday. (It's only the latter one that I really couldn't get into.) My on-campus arcade place used to have KOF '99 -- but then, I assume due to low profits, the owners had to get rid of a lot of machines.
There's actually another arcade spot a bit farther away that has Samurai Shodown III. But, that's about 20 minutes away by bike -- not really that far, but I don't go there often anyway.
Still, before the next time I go down there, I'll have to print up FAQs for Galford and Nakoruru. :) Too bad I'm moving out soon...
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