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| NARUTO 380th Post
 
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|  "Why I don't like the kof 2002...."
, posted Sat 4 May 04:37
This gonnat be a long post so don't be surprise!
Well the kof 2k2 the the worst kof I've played, even the 94 version is better. Why for many reason, the first one is like it was said in a previus thread it seems it was a rush project and this time I've got a very good evidence.(we will see it at the end of the post)
So, the major problem in this game is the shortage of inovation, the fun that is inexistant, and one of the most unbalanced kof.
The shortage of inovation, can be seen in the background, they are not realy good and not innovative. the striker system is just a CvS1 ripp off and it is stupid for many reason, the kof history is a 3 vs 3 ledgend they don't have to change that.
plus if you can choose how many fighters you'll use the CPU will allways use a 3+1 striker.
Many people said that the striker system of the kof 2000 was unbalanced a don't think so: strikers stock limits the usage of striker, or power striker can come as long as you have some power, as long as your not dead. that's what I'm calling cheapo!
And in my opinion use a power bar just for a punch or a kick that will suck 5% of a life bar what a joke, a DM is more usefull.
the SDM are less usefull as in the 98, and all the DM move don't have a SDM version thats stupid since ome of the characters have 5 super move where the other just 2 or 3.
The characters of the 2k1 are maybe well done, Angel and k9999 are good characters but their move are unfinished!
Angel system combo is to evasive, and K9999 have only 2 special moves!!!!
The new moves comande impute the Eolith created are olso the worst ever seen: a 4 time quart circle backward is a stipidity!
And Foxy's moves that kill you is senseless and just a trick for cheating.
In seems that Eolith are just a Capcom fan boys club, they used the CvS1 system for their strikers, they've downed the hit on many moves (king multi kick=9 hitsin the 2k1--and it do 12 hits in the 98) the question is why????? And I don't speak about Yuri's SDM who is just Akuma's Raging deamon!!!
I will not talk about the boss anybody know they're the cheapest ever made.
The graphics and the art works are the worst I've seen in a fighting game, did you have seen lin win quote?? he have green eyes! what the heck is that?
They've take some place in the cart for dumb thing like multi victory quote and negative background during the SDM moves one more use less thing.
So here come the most interesting part the evedince of the rush project:
I think that Original Zero was not in the game at the beginnig, did you remember the first kof pics the Professor posted?
it was a BOSS pics is this you can see Ignis, Misty, AND THE NEST BOSS!!! in a sprite version or in game version if you want.
that maybe meen that Ignis will the first boss, with the 3 striker( LONG, Krizalid, Gulga) then maybe Misty will have to fight you and the last boss were the old NEST boss.
But they don't have the time for this so they put Ignis who wad finished as a last boss and they quickly put Rugal's head on Zero's body for a new O.Zero, they whip off the sprite of the NEST boss, and kill him in the cut scene for the ending of the NEST saga.
Well I've maybe forget something but here are the biggest reason why I don't like it, and since it's Eolith that making the 2002 I have some big fear.
Can't wait for 2003 when Snk will have the kof right back....
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| Neo Liger
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| "Re(1):Why I don't like the kof 2002...." , posted Sat 4 May 04:51:
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This gonnat be a long post so don't be surprise!
Well the kof 2k2 the the worst kof I've played, even the 94 version is better. Why for many reason, the first one is like it was said in a previus thread it seems it was a rush project and this time I've got a very good evidence.(we will see it at the end of the post)
Errr...From reading your post, it seems that u R actually talkin' about 2k1 rather than 2k2 since 2k2 is not release and that most of the errors U said about 2k2 refers to 2k1. Moreover, if 2k2 is not a typo, then I kinda see what your saying of how 2k2 will suck because 2k1 is the first KOF game made outside of snk. however, in all of KOF games, the system will change, so U may not have the CVS ratio system in 2k2 and the other cast ofKOF will be improved. When Eloith develops a game, I am certain that some employees from SNK has help build this game and that it may be SNK will wanted to use the ratio system and other alternations since I doubt SNK would hand a game that is popular in Japan to a korean company to mess around with. Usually in popular games, when a comp. hands their poducts down to another company to make, they inspect the game until it meets their standards(like maximo and zelda) and some gets scraped if it doesn't(castlevani@). However, some titles doesn't get inspected(usually when the other company wants to make the game and not when the company hands down the game) and which as a resultant becomes flawed(street fighter movie. However, I am not sure that
SNK would let Eloith do whatever to this game and that I believe that Eloith probably just create the game out of SNK's ideas unless SNK let Eloith do anything and liked the end product of 2k1. In regards of all this, I can be wrong. quote:
How is the striker system a CVS1 rip-off?
He means the ratio system.
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| Puar
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| "He Really Means KOF2K1... ;p" , posted Sat 4 May 10:17
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Well the kof 2k2 the the worst kof I've played, even the 94 version is better. Why for many reason, the first one is like it was said in a previus thread it seems it was a rush project and this time I've got a very good evidence.(we will see it at the end of the post)
I think that's an over-statement...
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The shortage of inovation, can be seen in the background, they are not realy good and not innovative.
Well, the one's in '99 weren't anything special either. I think it's just aggravated to be that much worse since we had some kick booty KOF2K stages... Actually, come to think of it, aside from the Desert, Factory, and maybe Garbage Dump Yard, there wasn't anything too, too spectacular.
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the striker system is just a CvS1 ripp off and it is stupid for many reason, the kof history is a 3 vs 3 ledgend they don't have to change that. plus if you can choose how many fighters you'll use the CPU will allways use a 3+1 striker.
Now you're coming off contradictory. You say that KOF is 3 on 3, but then complain when the CPU choose a team of 3, which would sort of enable you to play 'traditionally' with teams of three.
CPU Teams not being random has always been a gripe of mine though. I think it started with '98 when the computer would no longer sometimes pick teams made up of characters who were not all from the same set, i.e.: it was possible to fight, say, a team of Kensou, Terry, and Robert or any combination for that matter.
Oh... and Strikers, or the Assist Characters, aren't from CVS1, they're from MVC2. I think you might be referring to the Ratio System, though the one in KOF seems to work better than the ones in the CVS games.
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Many people said that the striker system of the kof 2000 was unbalanced a (I) don't think so: strikers stock limits the usage of striker, or power striker can come as long as you have some power, as long as your not dead. that's what I'm calling cheapo!
And in my opinion use a power bar just for a punch or a kick that will suck 5% of a life bar what a joke, a DM is more usefull.
Then use a DM instead, don't complain if you can't effectively use Strikers. I know I can't very well, but to say that the KOF2K Striker System was fair is just ludacris. You can call out Strikers at almost any point in time without any delay if you cancel into it, thus making Striker usage more scrubby.
The use of Stocks for Strikers limits Strikers usage so that they're not over-used. It's a good change.
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the SDM are less usefull as in the 98, and all the DM move don't have a SDM version thats stupid since ome of the characters have 5 super move where the other just 2 or 3.
Supers do seem limited, but they were already that way in KOF2K. I wouldn't say they're less useless than in KOF98 though. They do more damage than the sheisty amount in those games.
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The characters of the 2k1 are maybe well done, Angel and k9999 are good characters but their move are unfinished!
Angel system combo is to evasive, and K9999 have only 2 special moves!!!!
The new moves comande impute the Eolith created are olso the worst ever seen: a 4 time quart circle backward is a stipidity!
And Foxy's moves that kill you is senseless and just a trick for cheating.
How can you say Angel's incomplete when you also say that she's a complicated character?
Perhaps K9999 was meant to be that way since he's already a powerful buff. Limiting his special moves is one way of cutting off his power and, if I may say so myself, some of his normal attacks are on par with other people's specials.
How is it cheating when you die from doing it? ;p
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In seems that Eolith are just a Capcom fan boys club, they used the CvS1 system for their strikers, they've downed the hit on many moves (king multi kick=9 hitsin the 2k1--and it do 12 hits in the 98) the question is why????? And I don't speak about Yuri's SDM who is just Akuma's Raging deamon!!!
I disagree with that fanboy statement, counting the number of hits on King's HCB+P seems a silly way to gauge KOF (though the downgrade in hits could be to cut down the time available for Super Cancels), and, if you knew anything about anything, the Raging Demon/Shun Goku Satsu is a poke at Capcom, as Yuri has been for some time, the same that Dan pokes at AOF/KOF. Would you also say that Capcom is a bunch of SNK fanboys?
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I will not talk about the boss anybody know they're the cheapest ever made.
Go play against '94 Rugal for about an hour or so, then come back and talk to me... Better yet, sit there with CVS2 and play against God Rugal for awhile... Yeah.
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The graphics and the art works are the worst I've seen in a fighting game, did you have seen lin win quote?? he have green eyes! what the heck is that?
They've take some place in the cart for dumb thing like multi victory quote and negative background during the SDM moves one more use less thing.
And your problem with extra goodies is...?
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So here come the most interesting part the evedince of the rush project:
I think that Original Zero was not in the game at the beginnig, did you remember the first kof pics the Professor posted?
it was a BOSS pics is this you can see Ignis, Misty, AND THE NEST BOSS!!! in a sprite version or in game version if you want.
that maybe meen that Ignis will the first boss, with the 3 striker( LONG, Krizalid, Gulga) then maybe Misty will have to fight you and the last boss were the old NEST boss.
But they don't have the time for this so they put Ignis who wad finished as a last boss and they quickly put Rugal's head on Zero's body for a new O.Zero, they whip off the sprite of the NEST boss, and kill him in the cut scene for the ending of the NEST saga.
Misty, if that's the girl's name, is part of the KOF2K story along with Long, so that can be set aside and done with and put out of the argument.
NESTS has always been comatose and in a chair in every picture of him we've seen... I don't think he'd put up much of fight.
If I recall correctly, the sprite you speak of was still used in the game in cut-scenes and intermissions.
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Well I've maybe forget something but here are the biggest reason why I don't like it, and since it's Eolith that making the 2002 I have some big fear.
Can't wait for 2003 when Snk will have the kof right back....
I think you mean KOF2K1 and KOF2K2.
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."
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| RugalBernstein 1752th Post
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| "Re(2):Why I don't like the kof 2002...." , posted Sat 4 May 13:40
This... confuses me. Why won't people give Eolith and KOF 2001 a break? As for the unfinished idea, I'd say it's quite a bit more complete than KOF 2000. Ramon seems to be completely unfinished in 2000, and his throw-miss animations are just AWFUL. Also, people who always say that Original Zero has Omega Rugal's head should play '95 again, and take a good look. Lastly, if it's truly the worst fighter you've ever played, as you said in the other thread... you should play Fight for Life, Kasumi Ninja, or Karnov's Revenge, and re-think that phrase. Interesting to note, I recall a KOF '98 receiving a lot of flak when it was new...
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| Toxico 1866th Post
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|  "The reasons of why I disagree."
, posted Sat 4 May 13:45:
the striker system is just a CvS1 ripp off and it is stupid for many reason, the kof history is a 3 vs 3 ledgend they don't have to change that.
Sorry; but the striker system is mainly inspirated on SS1 with Galford & Nakoruru's pets.
And in my opinion use a power bar just for a punch or a kick that will suck 5% of a life bar what a joke, a DM is more usefull.
There are several rules that you are ignoring by saying that; I am working about it on the FAQ I am producing for now; what I said now:
1 striker combo it might be worthless; but 2 or more striker combos DOES deserve the pain to do.
the SDM are less usefull as in the 98, and all the DM move don't have a SDM version thats stupid since ome of the characters have 5 super move where the other just 2 or 3.
Funny; in KoF 2001 & 2000 there are many SDM that had invincibility that add uselfulness to them; unlike many of their '98 versions (wich where VERY worthless DM, I must add). And the fact that fighters have some sort of speciality on their moves; something that is awfuly powerful is an idea that I like, and it is an idea that was put in my mind with the fact that characters have 1 or 2 SDMs. Aslo DO realize that only truly cheap characters like Kyo, Iori, Whip or Lin have 1 DM, characters that require more skill have several DMs at their disposal (Seth, Mei Lee)
characters of the 2k1 are maybe well done, Angel and k9999 are good characters but their move are unfinished!
Angel system combo is to evasive, and K9999 have only 2 special moves!!!!
Both of these characters hare abusive as they are; they have no need for more strenght.
the new moves comande impute the Eolith created are olso the worst ever seen: a 4 time quart circle backward is a stipidity!
And Foxy's moves that kill you is senseless and just a trick for cheating.
I was pumped up by the new motions secuences -though the qcf x 4 is the exception- I was sick of dull move sequencies that are SO easy to discover and request so little skill of the player.
In seems that Eolith are just a Capcom fan boys club, they used the CvS1 system for their strikers, they've downed the hit on many moves (king multi kick=9 hitsin the 2k1--and it do 12 hits in the 98) the question is why????? And I don't speak about Yuri's SDM who is just Akuma's Raging deamon!!!
I will not talk about the boss anybody know they're the cheapest ever made.
Incorrect; in CvS games having more ratio means almost certain victory the player with less ratio needed INCREDIBLE skill to overcome a more ratio character; in KoF 2001 is the oposite; if you select 1 or 2 players and you have no brain; you are meat.
And I won't qualify a programming crew of ripping of just because they tease other companies with a few of their "icons" moves.
And funny I think of Igniz as very lame & easy to defeat (he can't lay a finger on me); O. Zero gives more battle
The graphics and the art works are the worst I've seen in a fighting game, did you have seen lin win quote?? he have green eyes! what the heck is that?
Though I DO qualify the art work as "improvable"; Lin is supposed to be a very strange character, dirty and bizarre (like a zombie), poisonous blood and green eyes fit perfectly to what they want for the character.
So here come the most interesting part the evedince of the rush project:
I think that Original Zero was not in the game at the beginnig, did you remember the first kof pics the Professor posted?
it was a BOSS pics is this you can see Ignis, Misty, AND THE NEST BOSS!!! in a sprite version or in game version if you want.
Save your teories... if the game was about to be released, what would you prefer to see, a recicled character or a new one? I can bet my eye that a new one; so they did showed the new character to the public; the sprites for the other characters must be surely be desinged as a discarded intro or victory pose or must be help for the artist to draw them.
Can't wait for 2003 when Snk will have the kof right back....
Don't dream about it. It must be surely a great economic aid to have another company "renting" the rights of a game, KoF license means cash, big time, so odds are that in order to have the money right away SNK will always hand over the license to someone else.
Though my words my seem quite of defying, I must add that I was only expressing myself about a topic that I feel interest and not flaming someone for any kind of rivality or personal dislike.
I DO feel that you express this opinions without giving a deep analisys about the game concept itself and that your opinions are kind of directed more to the fact that SNK is not doing KoF '2002 than the high or low quality of Kof '2001.
Well; that's the opinion of the current psycho, I for one defend KoF '2001, since '97 KoF was not able to attract my interest due to the simple changes that where added on the versions, WITH THIS GAME I did have to do a little research in order to take advantage of the new features, acomplish that not many games can brag about.
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| NARUTO 385th Post
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| "Toxico and RugalBerstein just for you." , posted Sun 5 May 06:58
that's what I have wished for...someone with a totaly diferent piont of wiew on this game.
Thanks Toxico, for your post but sorry my mind is set for the 2k1.
Maybe your right, I've not the right to blame Eolith for the 2k2, I must wait , play it , and then judge it.
But if you have some time Toxico explain me this:
in my country many gamer dislike the 2k1 because they find that the game have lost the KOF spirit.
and for those detail, the Yuri SDM, or like why K9999 drill move is not a special move?
Or about the boss pics, I don't think it was made for helping, since you'll have Ignis and Misty around it and the next you have Ignis in fighting pose.
and the throne guy seens diferent in the 2 pics.(that's just my impretion, that's maybe not true)
Oh RugalBerstein, just a thing O.Zero's head is not Rugal95, but Orochi Rugal 98.
Just check it and tell me what you think.
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