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| Puar
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|  "Welcome Back Onslaught and The Original Cable"
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Hey, Onslaught! Welcome back. That one thread started getting über long, so I decided to start a new one...
Welcome back, and, for you and everyone on the other thread, since people were asking about Cable, the most major event I can think of as of late was that he was cured of the T-O Virus!
Anyhow, does anyone know the original plan for Cable? No, he wasn't s'posed to be Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryors son, adding to the long and confusing Summers bloodline, but instead he was going to be an aged, future version of good ol' Samuel Guthrie, the Cannonball.
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."
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| Daala 395th Post
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| "Re(1):Welcome Back Onslaught and The Original" , posted Thu 25 Apr 05:34
hmmm, I wonder how that would have turned out. Not that they needed another summers, but then it wouldn't have tie into the story line I guess.
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Hey, Onslaught! Welcome back. That one thread started getting über long, so I decided to start a new one...
Welcome back, and, for you and everyone on the other thread, since people were asking about Cable, the most major event I can think of as of late was that he was cured of the T-O Virus!
Anyhow, does anyone know the original plan for Cable? No, he wasn't s'posed to be Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryors son, adding to the long and confusing Summers bloodline, but instead he was going to be an aged, future version of good ol' Samuel Guthrie, the Cannonball.
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| Hungrywolf 746th Post
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| "Re(1):Welcome Back Onslaught and The Original" , posted Thu 25 Apr 10:54
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Hey, Onslaught! Welcome back. That one thread started getting über long, so I decided to start a new one...
Welcome back, and, for you and everyone on the other thread, since people were asking about Cable, the most major event I can think of as of late was that he was cured of the T-O Virus!
Anyhow, does anyone know the original plan for Cable? No, he wasn't s'posed to be Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryors son, adding to the long and confusing Summers bloodline, but instead he was going to be an aged, future version of good ol' Samuel Guthrie, the Cannonball.
I like Cable as Cyclops son. It does help explain what happened to the boy when he was taken to the future.
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| ONSLAUGHT 1812th Post
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| "Re(1):Welcome Back Onslaught and The Original" , posted Thu 25 Apr 11:16
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Hey, Onslaught! Welcome back. That one thread started getting über long, so I decided to start a new one...
Welcome back, and, for you and everyone on the other thread, since people were asking about Cable, the most major event I can think of as of late was that he was cured of the T-O Virus!
Anyhow, does anyone know the original plan for Cable? No, he wasn't s'posed to be Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryors son, adding to the long and confusing Summers bloodline, but instead he was going to be an aged, future version of good ol' Samuel Guthrie, the Cannonball.
Thanks a lot Puar!
Now, for the Cable thingie, the only thing I can say is WTF???
My head hurts!! Cable is an aged Cannonball??? I didn't understand that, he was suposed to be Cannonball but the idea got dumped, right? If that's the case, then I'm relieved, because I like Cable as it is.
What I don't really like, is he being cured from then TO Virus! Come on, that was one of the most interesting things in the Cable history, always battling the virus gave him (ironically) a chance to live.
Remember what happened to X-Man?? His body couldn't hold of his raw power, and he was pre destined to die at certain age (Now he's dead, sniff), and it could be the same with Cable if not for the TO virus...
Now that he doesn't have it, does that mean he's going to be cunsumed by his own power as well??
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| Puar
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| "Nightcrawler's Original Origin and No T-O!" , posted Thu 25 Apr 14:06:
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Now that he doesn't have it, does that mean he's going to be cunsumed by his own power as well??
I guess so, unless possibly the T-O has drained his power enough where he can never be at full power, again. Since he's been cured, has he shown the ability to exercise full blown telepathy and telekinesis?
Yeah, I like Cable with the T-O more than without. It was like a character defining trademark for crying out loud! Of course, the Old Sam idea was scrapped, but for what reasons I know not.
On the topic of original arcs, I wonder how many people know the angle that they wanted to have for the relationship between Nightcrawler and Mystique. Like what came to pass, she was originally planned to be Kurt's parent, but the story went that Mystique changed into a man, had an intimate relationship with Destiny, and *TA-DA* Nightcrawler was born!
It was dropped since it was too risque, or so Marvel deemed... what with same sex mushy stuff and all. But they didn't seem to mind making Northstar into a flaming queer. Personally, I would have rather had the Nightcrawler/Destiny/Mystique plot than the pointless Northstar, "Hey, I'm gay!"
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."
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| ONSLAUGHT 1817th Post
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| "Re(1):Nightcrawler's Original Origin and No T" , posted Thu 25 Apr 14:18:
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I guess so, unless possibly the T-O has drained his power enough where he can never be at full power, again. Since he's been cured, has he shown the ability to exercise full blown telepathy and telekinesis?
It was dropped since it was too risque, or so Marvel deemed... what with same sex mushy stuff and all. But they didn't seem to mind making Northstar into a flaming queer. Personally, I would have rather had the Nightcrawler/Destiny/Mystique plot than the pointless Northstar, "Hey, I'm gay!"
I highly doubt that the TO virus drained him of his power... If everything we know is correct, Cable has the same (if not more) power level than the Phoenix force! I doubt the virus could drain it, because Cable's power is infinite (or at least I hope so).
I really wish he regains his techno organic virus, because as you say, it's his *trademark* feature, and one of the things that makes him really interesting. A handicaped Cable is 1000 times better than an all powerful Cable IMHO...
As for the Nightcrawler thing, now THAT'S an interesting concept! having Mystique as a man having sex (yummy! he he) with Destiny and having her offspring in the form of Nightcrawler is awesome!
By the way, I think that that Northstar revelation was due to the sales of Alpha Flight were doing very poorly at that moment, and that gay thingie was more a marketing issue than a creative one (that's my theory, I may be wrong after all)...
On the topic as well, did you know that the original idea of Claremont was to kill Gambit after a few issues? but for some strange reason, fans loved the cajun and he had no other choice but to leave him as a permanent char...
Same with Wolverine, he was originally planned to appear as a villian for Hulk, kinda like a "one shot special villian", that's until Dave Cockrum picked him to form the new X-Men in Giant Sized X-Men!
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| Puar
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| "X-Facts!" , posted Thu 25 Apr 14:41
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Where do you find all this nifty facts?? keep 'em coming!
I thought some of these were common knowledge, but I guess not. ;D
I'll try to think of more but, like I said, since I thought some of these things are common knowledge, they don't stand out too much. Let's see... The only thing I can think of right now off the top of my head is...
They screwed M up really bad. Now, the original plan all along was to have M be just the Twins Claudette and Nicole St. Croix. This was followed for some time, but then someone decided to throw a monkey wrench in the storyline to muck things up and confuse everyone.
What they changed it to was Claudia and Nicole were only posing as M in lieu of their older sister Monet St. Croix's absence. They had to do so because their brother Marius St. Croix trapped Monet inside the body of Penance and fed off of her. Later, Monet was freed from Penance and the Twins stopped with their ruse, but that left Penance a lifeless shell.
Personally, I think that they should have just left it at the Twins are M. Having merging mutants that have problems when the dominant personality takes over is more interesting than, "I am M! I am boring! I am snotty! I am almighty, invulnerable, invincible, and possess a shitload of other unspecified powers so I am buff!" Hmmm... Never liked that about M, powers were always too broad.
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."
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| ONSLAUGHT 1817th Post
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| "Re(1):X-Facts!" , posted Thu 25 Apr 14:52
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Personally, I think that they should have just left it at the Twins are M. Having merging mutants that have problems when the dominant personality takes over is more interesting than, "I am M! I am boring! I am snotty! I am almighty, invulnerable, invincible, and possess a shitload of other unspecified powers so I am buff!" Hmmm... Never liked that about M, powers were always too broad.
Yeah, the M story is a bit confusing... I liked it personally, even if most people thinks it's a convulted story...
As for more X-Facts, I edited my above post explaining something about Gambit...
Another fact is that in the begining, Jean Grey was meant to be dead due to her suicide in the Dark Phoenix Saga, but with the launch of the X-Factor book, they decided to "revive" her, that way they could have the original X-Men on a team again...
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| ONSLAUGHT 1818th Post
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| "Re(1):Geez!" , posted Thu 25 Apr 16:12
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Indeed, once again allow me to welcome you back Onslaught!
Cable w/o the techno virus is a bad idea. Not only was the metallic arm a trademark of his character, it just plain looked cool.
Now with Wolverine's origin being revealed (his mysterious past was part of what made him so cool), Cable losing the technovirus, M being one person instead of two (M is soooooo hot though), and a number of characters dying, I wonder if we can even call these the X-men anymore. But as a fan, I'll stick with it. I mean, it can't get much worse......right? It can only get better from here......right?
Thanks again D!
Hey, here goes another fact:
At the end of the Marvel vs DC Crossover, both companies were planning in leave one major character in the oposite universe for a whole year (until their return in the All Access mini series), that means Batman in the Marvel universe for one year, and Spiderman in the DC universe the exact amount of time...
Sadly, this wasn't done due to the copyrights and other legal stuff...
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