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| Hungrywolf 727th Post
 
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(This is gonna be long, but I just watched my DVD of X-men and I got stuff to get off of my chest, even though I like the movie) I don't know how many SPOILERS will be in this (both movie and comic book), so I don't want to use the button for it, so be forwarned....I want to talk about the first X-men movie...I did like it, but there were a lot of little things in it that I just have to nitpick, as a comic fan, especially as an X-men fan who has been reading the comics for a long time and read a lot of the original comics as well (back when there were only 5 X-men). I'll put my view on the main characters first and then about the movie overall....let's start with Cyclops, my favorite X-man (and the first). And BTW, I think all the actors did well and matched well with their character physically.
Cyclops - ok, in the movie, the main thing that bothered me was that Cyclops seemed a little too hot-headed. I usually think of him as more calm, cool, and collected. I like that they showed (however brief) how much the Prof. means to him.
Jean Grey (Marvel Girl, Phoenix) - ok, big problem coming up. The fact they made her DR. Jean Grey ticked me off. I don't know why, it's just not right. She isn't a doctor. If they wanted a doctor, they should've put the Beast in it....he wouldn't even have to be the furry beast (y'know, originally, he didn't have all that blue fur). It could've worked good. Anyway, other than that, she was handled ok.
Wolverine - think he was handled great in this movie. 'Nuff said.
Ok, here's a break to discuss something about these three characters and the triangle. I knew it would be used in the movie, and well, it's never sat well with me (I'm all for Scott and Jean, y'know, and the triangle in the beginning was ok, but it got old. I know for the movie they were introducing it to a new audience, so that's ok for the movie). Anyway, also, Jean says she shares a room with Scott. I don't think that was in character as far as Jean and Scott would have been when they weren't married, maybe it's just me...anyway, back to the character stuff...
Storm - done well I guess. No real negatives from me....
Rogue - Before the movie was released I was skeptical about the age and everything, but I think it worked out. I wonder if somehow she'll get those other powers in the next movie? (the ones she unnaturally has, flight, strength....)
Prof. X - Right on...
Magneto - it was ok.
Sabretooth - worked good.
Toad - gave him a couple of new powers, but that helped make him a lot more interesting than he would have been.
Mystique - big prob. here. I guess they made her naked to explain where her clothes go when she changes (yeah right), but I would've prefered to see her in her comic attire, and with un-slicked back red hair.
Now, in the fights, I feel that they concentrated too much on the mutant powers sometimes....they relied too heavy on the powers in some sequences, in any case.
Ok, let's see, the story was ok, except I don't like when they try to mix evolution with the mutations...based on at least a lot of the older books, I don't consider the X-men's mutations anything to do with any kind of evolution. Other than that, the story was good, but I don't think Magneto would try to make everyone mutants, I think he'd just try to kill the normal people. Also, I think the story was too focused on Wolverine and Rogue and a lot less on the other X-men. I understand that everyone loves Wolverine (I like him too, but he isn't my favorite), but still, I think they could've put a little more story in on the other X-men. I'm sure I have other gripes, but if I forgot them for now, then I'll spare you....
Next, the sequels....I hear that the sequel is supposed to be about the legacy virus and have Sentinels....I'm all for Sentinels, but not for having the legacy virus in the movie....IMO, it wasn't a good storyline (and killed some good characters too, including Jamie Madrox, who for some odd reason is still alive....). I never liked the legacy virus story.....I'd rather see the hellfire club or see a movie based on X-tinction Agenda (that'd be hard to do though, too many mutants). I don't think the Dark Phoenix Saga would be good b/c it's too much stuff for any of the movies, unless the spread it out...we'll see what the future brings....
Sometimes the fact this movie was released bothers me, because I think it is why my fav. comic changed the way it did (I don't like it). I can still read X-treme X-men and Uncanny X-men, but can't read New X-men (which has my FAVORITE X-man in it) because I don't like it. I think the art makes Jean look ugly, I don't like how they changed the beast even more, I think everyone is ugly looking in it...and I don't like how they all have generic costumes....(I like wolvie's mask). Also, the writers decided to go on a killing spree for some reason recently....(Senator Kelly, Moira, Colossus, Psylocke, and now I fear Banshee is dead too (after the newest Uncanny)) I don't want Moira or Psylocke or Banshee or Colossus to be dead...I mean, Sen. Kelly wasn't as big of an impact. Colossus' did make since though and did FINALLY end the Legacy Virus (I hope). Moira shouln't have died, Psylocke shouldn't have died, and now Banshee maybe? (If he lives, I'll be amazed and thankful). Y'know, if he dies, maybe they are killing off all the X-men introduced in Giant Sized X-men #1. Geez...I at least knew Cyclops wasn't really dead...*sigh* I guess I'm just ranting now, sorry for anything I've spoiled for anyone...I'm just really mad at the way my fav. comic is going now. I don't completely blame the movie for all this stuff I mentioned, and I did like the movie, but still, this stuff really sucks....(like when Ilyana died...that made me sad and mad....stupid LEGACY VIRUS CRAP!!!!). I would like to have all these characters still alive....I really would.
On the bright side, I do like the X-men: Evolution cartoon and a lot of the stuff they've done on it (like Rogue's crush on Scott, the fact that Nightcrawler is in it (which is awesome!), all the X-men that have got cameos (Angel, Forge, Beast), and the new mutants that are in it too). The only gripe I have about it is that Storm shouldn't be older than Scott, Jean and the others (she should be around the same age) and I don't like Spike (they should've just put Marrow in it if they wanted a character like that, not make up some new character that I just don't like...). Yeah, that's right, I actually like Marrow....I think someone said she is ugly once (on this board) based on her appearance in MvC2...she was with the Morlocks, they weren't exactly known for their looks (though I don't really think she was ugly....now if you saw what she used to look like even before the look like she had in MvC2....y'know, when she was half bald and stuff....now she was real ugly then, she wasn't so bad when she joined the X-men). That story they did in that one issue about how she remembered Angel from when she was little was awesome. And I am sooooooo glad Angel has his real wings back.....(there I go rambling again....I better just stop now).
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| Puar
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| "Re(1):X-men movie...." , posted Tue 23 Apr 22:07
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Cyclops - ok, in the movie, the main thing that bothered me was that Cyclops seemed a little too hot-headed. I usually think of him as more calm, cool, and collected. I like that they showed (however brief) how much the Prof. means to him.
My friends and I have always thought Cyclops was an arrogant prick. We thought his uptight ass was played well.
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Anyway, also, Jean says she shares a room with Scott. I don't think that was in character as far as Jean and Scott would have been when they weren't married, maybe it's just me...anyway, back to the character stuff...
I agree. When is that in the movie? I've seen it all of once. (;
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Prof. X - Right on...
Couldn't think of anyone else to play him.
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Magneto - it was ok.
Personally, I could've done with someone who looked more buff or at least not as skinny as a twig.
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IMO, it wasn't a good storyline (and killed some good characters too, including Jamie Madrox, who for some odd reason is still alive....).
It was one of Madrox's duplicates that died. Though the original Multiple Man is still running around, he's a wee bit messed up after losing one of his doubles.
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I never liked the legacy virus story.....I'd rather see the hellfire club or see a movie based on X-tinction Agenda (that'd be hard to do though, too many mutants). I don't think the Dark Phoenix Saga would be good b/c it's too much stuff for any of the movies, unless the spread it out...we'll see what the future brings....
The Hellfire Club could be cool. Briefly, what was X-Tinction Agenda? That was before my reading time. Yes, Dark Phoenix would be too big unless spread out, but I think there aren't enough psychos out there who'd go to see a Dark Phoenix Trilogy like there are for Fellowship.
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Sometimes the fact this movie was released bothers me, because I think it is why my fav. comic changed the way it did (I don't like it). I can still read X-treme X-men and Uncanny X-men, but can't read New X-men (which has my FAVORITE X-man in it) because I don't like it. I think the art makes Jean look ugly, I don't like how they changed the beast even more, I think everyone is ugly looking in it...and I don't like how they all have generic costumes....(I like wolvie's mask).
Amen. Though I stopped reading X-Men after the AoA, I cringed when I saw a recent cover of X-Men and thought, "What the hell? Why're they trying to make it look like the movie?" Bring back Yellow and Blue Spandex, damnit.
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Also, the writers decided to go on a killing spree for some reason recently....(Senator Kelly, Moira, Colossus, Psylocke, and now I fear Banshee is dead too (after the newest Uncanny)) I don't want Moira or Psylocke or Banshee or Colossus to be dead...I mean, Sen. Kelly wasn't as big of an impact. Colossus' did make since though and did FINALLY end the Legacy Virus (I hope). Moira shouln't have died, Psylocke shouldn't have died, and now Banshee maybe? (If he lives, I'll be amazed and thankful). Y'know, if he dies, maybe they are killing off all the X-men introduced in Giant Sized X-men #1.
Yup. I forgot what other people died, but I remember my reactions. "What the hell!? They can't kill them..." Too many classic characters have been dying as of late. I know that Longshot is dead as well.
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I don't like Spike (they should've just put Marrow in it if they wanted a character like that, not make up some new character that I just don't like...).
Another amen to you, brother.
My biggest gripe from what I've seen of the Evolution cartoons so far is that Havoc, or Alex Whatever-His-Last-Name-Is-In-The-Cartoon, Because-I-Don't-Think-It-Was-Summers... shoots out Ruby Quartz rays from his body instead of those circlets like he's s'posed to... I guess they're just too hard to animate?
Did they start Jubilee in the cartoons yet? Tell me they left in her Yellow Jacket. Pre-lim designs I say had her with long hair, which I'm sure stayed, but without the Duds.
"You should get to know me better no one's every what they seem."
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| Hungrywolf 728th Post
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| "Re(2):X-men movie...." , posted Tue 23 Apr 22:27
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Cyclops - ok, in the movie, the main thing that bothered me was that Cyclops seemed a little too hot-headed. I usually think of him as more calm, cool, and collected. I like that they showed (however brief) how much the Prof. means to him.
My friends and I have always thought Cyclops was an arrogant prick. We thought his uptight ass was played well.
Cyke isn't a prick, he is the best.
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Anyway, also, Jean says she shares a room with Scott. I don't think that was in character as far as Jean and Scott would have been when they weren't married, maybe it's just me...anyway, back to the character stuff...
I agree. When is that in the movie? I've seen it all of once. (;
When she is talking to Wolverine in his room.
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Prof. X - Right on...
Couldn't think of anyone else to play him.
Magneto - it was ok.
Personally, I could've done with someone who looked more buff or at least not as skinny as a twig.
I always though Patrick Stewart was a shoe in for Prof. X, but could never think of who could be Magneto. Ian McKellan isn't that buff, true, but he is a great actor. I thought he did good.
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IMO, it wasn't a good storyline (and killed some good characters too, including Jamie Madrox, who for some odd reason is still alive....).
It was one of Madrox's duplicates that died. Though the original Multiple Man is still running around, he's a wee bit messed up after losing one of his doubles.
thanks for clearing that up, i wasn't sure why he was so odd in the latest Uncanny X-men...
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I never liked the legacy virus story.....I'd rather see the hellfire club or see a movie based on X-tinction Agenda (that'd be hard to do though, too many mutants). I don't think the Dark Phoenix Saga would be good b/c it's too much stuff for any of the movies, unless the spread it out...we'll see what the future brings....
The Hellfire Club could be cool. Briefly, what was X-Tinction Agenda? That was before my reading time. Yes, Dark Phoenix would be too big unless spread out, but I think there aren't enough psychos out there who'd go to see a Dark Phoenix Trilogy like there are for Fellowship.
X-tinction Agenda is basically a holocaust like story that took place on Genosha. That's very basic though....it was a good story. If you can get the graphic novel, get it... I have it.
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Sometimes the fact this movie was released bothers me, because I think it is why my fav. comic changed the way it did (I don't like it). I can still read X-treme X-men and Uncanny X-men, but can't read New X-men (which has my FAVORITE X-man in it) because I don't like it. I think the art makes Jean look ugly, I don't like how they changed the beast even more, I think everyone is ugly looking in it...and I don't like how they all have generic costumes....(I like wolvie's mask).
Amen. Though I stopped reading X-Men after the AoA, I cringed when I saw a recent cover of X-Men and thought, "What the hell? Why're they trying to make it look like the movie?" Bring back Yellow and Blue Spandex, damnit.
That's how I feel, that's why right now I like X-treme X-men the best...
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Also, the writers decided to go on a killing spree for some reason recently....(Senator Kelly, Moira, Colossus, Psylocke, and now I fear Banshee is dead too (after the newest Uncanny)) I don't want Moira or Psylocke or Banshee or Colossus to be dead...I mean, Sen. Kelly wasn't as big of an impact. Colossus' did make since though and did FINALLY end the Legacy Virus (I hope). Moira shouln't have died, Psylocke shouldn't have died, and now Banshee maybe? (If he lives, I'll be amazed and thankful). Y'know, if he dies, maybe they are killing off all the X-men introduced in Giant Sized X-men #1.
Yup. I forgot what other people died, but I remember my reactions. "What the hell!? They can't kill them..." Too many classic characters have been dying as of late. I know that Longshot is dead as well.
ACK!!!! I didn't know Longshot was dead??!! When did he die? When Dazzler was in the recent X-men issue before they changed, I thought he was still alive....darn it. I wanted to see him and Dazzler return full-time sometime too....*sigh*
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I don't like Spike (they should've just put Marrow in it if they wanted a character like that, not make up some new character that I just don't like...).
Another amen to you, brother.
My biggest gripe from what I've seen of the Evolution cartoons so far is that Havoc, or Alex Whatever-His-Last-Name-Is-In-The-Cartoon, Because-I-Don't-Think-It-Was-Summers... shoots out Ruby Quartz rays from his body instead of those circlets like he's s'posed to... I guess they're just too hard to animate?
Did they start Jubilee in the cartoons yet? Tell me they left in her Yellow Jacket. Pre-lim designs I say had her with long hair, which I'm sure stayed, but without the Duds.
Yeah, I didn't like the way it looked when Havok shot his blasts, but his last name was Summers, he was Cyclop's brother...I think Jubilee is there with the new mutants...her hair is long, but I'm not sure about the yellow jacket, i think she has it.
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| Puar
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| "Re(3):X-men movie...." , posted Tue 23 Apr 22:37
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thanks for clearing that up, i wasn't sure why he was so odd in the latest Uncanny X-men...
It was unclear from the summary of the issue I read, but did he help betray Banshee and his X-Corps? Also, who, aside from M, Skin, and Jubilee are in the X-Corps?
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X-tinction Agenda is basically a holocaust like story that took place on Genosha. That's very basic though....it was a good story. If you can get the graphic novel, get it... I have it.
I'll look for it on Amazon or Barnes and Nobles or something. Any other recommendations? Also, what's the quality on the Graphic Novels and Trade Paperbacks?
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That's how I feel, that's why right now I like X-treme X-men the best...
Not to mention it's the only thing with an interesting story right now, unless you want to count the Exiles, but that's not really X-Men and I think it's a little lost on everyone who knows jack about the Marvel Universe, if you catch my drift...
Oh, and what is it that they've done with Rogue? Doesn't she now have the ability to recall any power that she's ever absorbed?
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ACK!!!! I didn't know Longshot was dead??!! When did he die? When Dazzler was in the recent X-men issue before they changed, I thought he was still alive....darn it. I wanted to see him and Dazzler return full-time sometime too....*sigh*
Just found out the other day. When Dazzler came back, Jean asked about Longshot and Dazzler hinted that he apparently did not make it out alive after AoA X-Babies revolted and took over Mojoworld. Also, her baby with our favorite lucky X-Character evidently miscarried as she was without child.
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| Hungrywolf 731th Post
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| "Re(4):X-men movie...." , posted Tue 23 Apr 22:50
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thanks for clearing that up, i wasn't sure why he was so odd in the latest Uncanny X-men...
It was unclear from the summary of the issue I read, but did he help betray Banshee and his X-Corps? Also, who, aside from M, Skin, and Jubilee are in the X-Corps?
M, Skin, and Jubi are just visiting, they haven't joined yet or anything. I don't think Jamie betrayed him, but Mystique stabbed Banshee through the throat in the latest issue at the end (hence why I think he is now going to be dead...)
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X-tinction Agenda is basically a holocaust like story that took place on Genosha. That's very basic though....it was a good story. If you can get the graphic novel, get it... I have it.
I'll look for it on Amazon or Barnes and Nobles or something. Any other recommendations? Also, what's the quality on the Graphic Novels and Trade Paperbacks?
I don't know, the Dark Phoenix one is good, and the Days of Future Past...
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That's how I feel, that's why right now I like X-treme X-men the best...
Not to mention it's the only thing with an interesting story right now, unless you want to count the Exiles, but that's not really X-Men and I think it's a little lost on everyone who knows jack about the Marvel Universe, if you catch my drift...
Oh, and what is it that they've done with Rogue? Doesn't she now have the ability to recall any power that she's ever absorbed?
I'm not sure if she can recall them at will or what, really....I just know she has a lot of different powers now, I do wish she was her old self again, as far as powers go.
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ACK!!!! I didn't know Longshot was dead??!! When did he die? When Dazzler was in the recent X-men issue before they changed, I thought he was still alive....darn it. I wanted to see him and Dazzler return full-time sometime too....*sigh*
Just found out the other day. When Dazzler came back, Jean asked about Longshot and Dazzler hinted that he apparently did not make it out alive after AoA X-Babies revolted and took over Mojoworld. Also, her baby with our favorite lucky X-Character evidently miscarried as she was without child.
ok, thanks, i have that issue, i just kinda forgot about it i guess. Apparantly, Longshot wasn't so lucky. That's irony... They better bring some of these guys back... I mean, I know it's cheesy I guess that people 'die' and come back, but I love some of these characters and they shouldn't be dead.
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| Iron D 1600th Post
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| "Comments and Questions" , posted Wed 24 Apr 13:22
For the most part, I agree with you guys on what you said about the movie. However, as far as Wolverine goes, I have a problem with the fact that he was taller than most of the other X-men, when in the comics one of the things he is known for is his small stature. Oh, and despite Ian McKellan's size, I thought he did an excellent job as Magneto. The guy is just a naturally talented actor.
I also have a problem with Sabretooth. Did either of you guys notice how generally quiet he was? He didn't say much. Heck, he didn't even growl much. In the comics, Sabretooth is loud and vicious. I think they got his personality all wrong.
Now, about the comics (which I haven't read in a long while)...COLOSSUS IS DEAD? WHAT THE HECK? And you say it has to do with finding a cure for the legacy virus? Well, that doesn't make sense. If either of you remember, it's been strongly hinted at on a number of occasions that Cable himself held the key to finding a cure for the legacy virus. What's going on here?
What's Cable been up to lately anyway?
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| ONSLAUGHT 1798th Post
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| "Re(1):Comments and Questions" , posted Wed 24 Apr 13:36
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For the most part, I agree with you guys on what you said about the movie. However, as far as Wolverine goes, I have a problem with the fact that he was taller than most of the other X-men, when in the comics one of the things he is known for is his small stature. Oh, and despite Ian McKellan's size, I thought he did an excellent job as Magneto. The guy is just a naturally talented actor.
I also have a problem with Sabretooth. Did either of you guys notice how generally quiet he was? He didn't say much. Heck, he didn't even growl much. In the comics, Sabretooth is loud and vicious. I think they got his personality all wrong.
Now, about the comics (which I haven't read in a long while)...COLOSSUS IS DEAD? WHAT THE HECK? And you say it has to do with finding a cure for the legacy virus? Well, that doesn't make sense. If either of you remember, it's been strongly hinted at on a number of occasions that Cable himself held the key to finding a cure for the legacy virus. What's going on here?
What's Cable been up to lately anyway?
Yeah, Wolverine was taller in the movie...
But I think Jackman performed excellent, I can't think of a better Wolvie than him.
I agree entirely on the Creed and Magnus part, Sabretooth isn't like that in the comics, but Sir Ian did a terrific Magnus, even if he's not that strong physically speaking (Remember that in the comics, Magneto was deaged, and some time after, he was returned to adulthood, but in a younger state, that's why he looks all beefed up, and since the Magneto from the movie wasn't deaged, he has the right look, at least in my opinion...)
About the Colossus death...
Beast found the cure for the legacy virus, but there was an awful price for it...
If you remember well, Stryfe spreaded the virus when one of Sinister's genetists died.
Beast explains that the only way the virus could be spreaded, is that a mutant died, and the cure for the legacy virus demanded an equal execution, this means, that a mutant must die to spread the cure...
While the X-Men were distracted with some other matters, Colossus took the cure and used it in him; when he activated his mutant power, the cure spreaded but he died (I almost cried in that one, sniff)...
By the way, altought the Legacy virus killed tons of characters, it was one of my favorite stories ever (X-Cutioner's Song).
As for Puar:
I greatly recomend the X-Tinction Agenda, if I'm not mistakenly, there are two TPB out there.
And if you're collecting TPB's, try to get these:
X-Tinction Agenda
The Dark Phoenix Saga
X-Cutioner's Song
The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix
The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix
Askani's Son
The Rise of Apocalypse
Phalanx Covenant
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| Hungrywolf 739th Post
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| "Re(1):Comments and Questions" , posted Wed 24 Apr 13:39
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For the most part, I agree with you guys on what you said about the movie. However, as far as Wolverine goes, I have a problem with the fact that he was taller than most of the other X-men, when in the comics one of the things he is known for is his small stature. Oh, and despite Ian McKellan's size, I thought he did an excellent job as Magneto. The guy is just a naturally talented actor.
I also have a problem with Sabretooth. Did either of you guys notice how generally quiet he was? He didn't say much. Heck, he didn't even growl much. In the comics, Sabretooth is loud and vicious. I think they got his personality all wrong.
Now, about the comics (which I haven't read in a long while)...COLOSSUS IS DEAD? WHAT THE HECK? And you say it has to do with finding a cure for the legacy virus? Well, that doesn't make sense. If either of you remember, it's been strongly hinted at on a number of occasions that Cable himself held the key to finding a cure for the legacy virus. What's going on here?
What's Cable been up to lately anyway?
Well Iron D, the cure was found. Moira found the cure, Hank McCoy had the cure in a serenge, but the only way to use it was for the mutant with the cure to use his mutant power which would spread the cure out and save everyone infected and stop the virus. This is because the virus was started by a single mutant (with the virus) who used his mutant power and he died, and the legacy virus was then spread out....Hank was gonna try to find a way to use the cure in another way, but Colossus thought on it and when no one was around he used it on himself and sacrificed his life to save mutantkind. and basically, it sucked....they even quoted, at the end of the comic, what Colossus said when he first met Prof. X and was asked to join the X-men in Giant Sized X-men #1. I tell you, this killing spree by these NEW writers it starting to tick me off.
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| Hungrywolf 740th Post
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| "Re(2):Comments and Questions" , posted Wed 24 Apr 13:42
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For the most part, I agree with you guys on what you said about the movie. However, as far as Wolverine goes, I have a problem with the fact that he was taller than most of the other X-men, when in the comics one of the things he is known for is his small stature. Oh, and despite Ian McKellan's size, I thought he did an excellent job as Magneto. The guy is just a naturally talented actor.
I also have a problem with Sabretooth. Did either of you guys notice how generally quiet he was? He didn't say much. Heck, he didn't even growl much. In the comics, Sabretooth is loud and vicious. I think they got his personality all wrong.
Now, about the comics (which I haven't read in a long while)...COLOSSUS IS DEAD? WHAT THE HECK? And you say it has to do with finding a cure for the legacy virus? Well, that doesn't make sense. If either of you remember, it's been strongly hinted at on a number of occasions that Cable himself held the key to finding a cure for the legacy virus. What's going on here?
What's Cable been up to lately anyway?
Yeah, Wolverine was taller in the movie...
But I think Jackman performed excellent, I can't think of a better Wolvie than him.
I agree entirely on the Creed and Magnus part, Sabretooth isn't like that in the comics, but Sir Ian did a terrific Magnus, even if he's not that strong physically speaking (Remember that in the comics, Magneto was deaged, and some time after, he was returned to adulthood, but in a younger state, that's why he looks all beefed up, and since the Magneto from the movie wasn't deaged, he has the right look, at least in my opinion...)
About the Colossus death...
Beast found the cure for the legacy virus, but there was an awful price for it...
If you remember well, Stryfe spreaded the virus when one of Sinister's genetists died.
Beast explains that the only way the virus could be spreaded, is that a mutant died, and the cure for the legacy virus demanded an equal execution, this means, that a mutant must die to spread the cure...
While the X-Men were distracted with some other matters, Colossus took the cure and used it in him; when he activated his mutant power, the cure spreaded but he died (I almost cried in that one, sniff)...
By the way, altought the Legacy virus killed tons of characters, it was one of my favorite stories ever (X-Cutioner's Song).
As for Puar:
I greatly recomend the X-Tinction Agenda, if I'm not mistakenly, there are two TPB out there.
And if you're collecting TPB's, try to get these:
X-Tinction Agenda
The Dark Phoenix Saga
X-Cutioner's Song
The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix
The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix
Askani's Son
The Rise of Apocalypse
Phalanx Covenant
I liked X-cutioner's Song, but didn't like the effect the legacy virus had on the comics, it should've been cured a long time ago.
Is this your first post back here Onslaught? I'm not sure. I haven't read all the threads.
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| Iron D 1609th Post
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| "Re(2):Arigato Gozamaisu(sp)" , posted Wed 24 Apr 15:19
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I don't know much in comics, so excuse me if the question is silly....
I only know the characters of Marvel vs Capcom 2, who died among them?
Of the characters on the Marvel side of MvC2, the following are dead: Colossus, Psylocke, Sentinels (sort of, the type of Sentinel that was in the game hasn't been used in the comics for a long time).
Many of the characters have had costume and/or personality changes as well: Marrow is no longer with the X-men, all of the X-men characters (Storm, Cyclops, Gambit, Rogue, Wolverine, Colossus, Psylocke) have had multiple costume changes, Iron Man hasn't worn the armor that he has in MvC2 for 7 years, Captain America has had a rather unnoticeable costume redesign, War Machine no longer exists (he's not dead, but the guy who once was War Machine, James Rhodes, quit being War Machine 6 years ago) Thanos does not have the Infinity Gauntlet anymore, Omega Red, Silver Samurai, Shuma Gorath, and Blackheart have all not done anything in the comics for ages (over a decade in most cases), and Hulk is Savage again (you know, the "HULK SMASH!" type.
Everyone else is pretty much the same.
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| HazZan 565th Post
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| "X-men. Agh.." , posted Wed 24 Apr 15:28
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(This is gonna be long, but I just watched my DVD of X-men and I got stuff to get off of my chest, even though I like the movie) I don't know how many SPOILERS will be in this (both movie and comic book), so I don't want to use the button for it, so be forwarned....I want to talk about the first X-men movie...I did like it, but there were a lot of little things in it that I just have to nitpick, as a comic fan, especially as an X-men fan who has been reading the comics for a long time and read a lot of the original comics as well (back when there were only 5 X-men). I'll put my view on the main characters first and then about the movie overall....let's start with Cyclops, my favorite X-man (and the first). And BTW, I think all the actors did well and matched well with their character physically.
Cyclops - ok, in the movie, the main thing that bothered me was that Cyclops seemed a little too hot-headed. I usually think of him as more calm, cool, and collected. I like that they showed (however brief) how much the Prof. means to him.
Jean Grey (Marvel Girl, Phoenix) - ok, big problem coming up. The fact they made her DR. Jean Grey ticked me off. I don't know why, it's just not right. She isn't a doctor. If they wanted a doctor, they should've put the Beast in it....he wouldn't even have to be the furry beast (y'know, originally, he didn't have all that blue fur). It could've worked good. Anyway, other than that, she was handled ok.
Wolverine - think he was handled great in this movie. 'Nuff said.
Ok, here's a break to discuss something about these three characters and the triangle. I knew it would be used in the movie, and well, it's never sat well with me (I'm all for Scott and Jean, y'know, and the triangle in the beginning was ok, but it got old. I know for the movie they were introducing it to a new audience, so that's ok for the movie). Anyway, also, Jean says she shares a room with Scott. I don't think that was in character as far as Jean and Scott would have been when they weren't married, maybe it's just me...anyway, back to the character stuff...
Storm - done well I guess. No real negatives from me....
Rogue - Before the movie was released I was skeptical about the age and everything, but I think it worked out. I wonder if somehow she'll get those other powers in the next movie? (the ones she unnaturally has, flight, strength....)
Prof. X - Right on...
Magneto - it was ok.
Sabretooth - worked good.
Toad - gave him a couple of new powers, but that helped make him a lot more interesting than he would have been.
Mystique - big prob. here. I guess they made her naked to explain where her clothes go when she changes (yeah right), but I would've prefered to see her in her comic attire, and with un-slicked back red hair.
Now, in the fights, I feel that they concentrated too much on the mutant powers sometimes....they relied too heavy on the powers in some sequences, in any case.
Ok, let's see, the story was ok, except I don't like when they try to mix evolution with the mutations...based on at least a lot of the older books, I don't consider the X-men's mutations anything to do with any kind of evolution. Other than that, the story was good, but I don't think Magneto would try to make everyone mutants, I think he'd just try to kill the normal people. Also, I think the story was too focused on Wolverine and Rogue and a lot less on the other X-men. I understand that everyone loves Wolverine (I like him too, but he isn't my favorite), but still, I think they could've put a little more story in on the other X-men. I'm sure I have other gripes, but if I forgot them for now, then I'll spare you....
Next, the sequels....I hear that the sequel is supposed to be about the legacy virus and have Sentinels....I'm all for Sentinels, but not for having the legacy virus in the movie....IMO, it wasn't a good storyline (and killed some good characters too, including Jamie Madrox, who for some odd reason is still alive....). I never liked the legacy virus story.....I'd rather see the hellfire club or see a movie based on X-tinction Agenda (that'd be hard to do though, too many mutants). I don't think the Dark Phoenix Saga would be good b/c it's too much stuff for any of the movies, unless the spread it out...we'll see what the future brings....
Sometimes the fact this movie was released bothers me, because I think it is why my fav. comic changed the way it did (I don't like it). I can still read X-treme X-men and Uncanny X-men, but can't read New X-men (which has my FAVORITE X-man in it) because I don't like it. I think the art makes Jean look ugly, I don't like how they changed the beast even more, I think everyone is ugly looking in it...and I don't like how they all have generic costumes....(I like wolvie's mask). Also, the writers decided to go on a killing spree for some reason recently....(Senator Kelly, Moira, Colossus, Psylocke, and now I fear Banshee is dead too (after the newest Uncanny)) I don't want Moira or Psylocke or Banshee or Colossus to be dead...I mean, Sen. Kelly wasn't as big of an impact. Colossus' did make since though and did FINALLY end the Legacy Virus (I hope). Moira shouln't have died, Psylocke shouldn't have died, and now Banshee maybe? (If he lives, I'll be amazed and thankful). Y'know, if he dies, maybe they are killing off all the X-men introduced in Giant Sized X-men #1. Geez...I at least knew Cyclops wasn't really dead...*sigh* I guess I'm just ranting now, sorry for anything I've spoiled for anyone...I'm just really mad at the way my fav. comic is going now. I don't completely blame the movie for all this stuff I mentioned, and I did like the movie, but still, this stuff really sucks....(like when Ilyana died...that made me sad and mad....stupid LEGACY VIRUS CRAP!!!!). I would like to have all these characters still alive....I really would.
On the bright side, I do like the X-men: Evolution cartoon and a lot of the stuff they've done on it (like Rogue's crush on Scott, the fact that Nightcrawler is in it (which is awesome!), all the X-men that have got cameos (Angel, Forge, Beast), and the new mutants that are in it too). The only gripe I have about it is that Storm shouldn't be older than Scott, Jean and the others (she should be around the same age) and I don't like Spike (they should've just put Marrow in it if they wanted a character like that, not make up some new character that I just don't like...). Yeah, that's right, I actually like Marrow....I think someone said she is ugly once (on this board) based on her appearance in MvC2...she was with the Morlocks, they weren't exactly known for their looks (though I don't really think she was ugly....now if you saw what she used to look like even before the look like she had in MvC2....y'know, when she was half bald and stuff....now she was real ugly then, she wasn't so bad when she joined the X-men). That story they did in that one issue about how she remembered Angel from when she was little was awesome. And I am sooooooo glad Angel has his real wings back.....(there I go rambling again....I better just stop now).
I thought the movie flat out sucked.
It seemed to me that the creators of the movie hardly did any research.
I thought Wolverine new Sabertooth before the X-men did?
Also, didn't Rogue's hair already have a some white in it since before she meet the X-men?
Anyway this is just my opinion.
P.S.
Magneto doesn't look that old.
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HOW DARE YOU LET YOUR EYES LOOK AT ME AS IF WE ARE EQUAL IN POWER!!!! FOR THAT I SHALL SHUT THEM.
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| ONSLAUGHT 1803th Post
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| "Re(1):Arigato Gozamaisu(sp)" , posted Wed 24 Apr 16:02
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Thanks for the help guys.
I still think it would have made more sense if Cable was the key to the cure, as the past writers clearly intended it to be. I mean, Cable is Stryfe's clone, and it would have been more dramatic if the original un-did what the clone did. Bah! I get the feeling that we haven't seen the end of the legacy virus yet.
I always thought that the legacy virus was one of the best things about the X-Universe. Just like humanity's hate for mutants was a play on racism, the legacy virus was a play on AIDS, HIV, and uncured and potentially fatal diseases. For it to end like this...it just doesn't work!
Well, in fact, Stryfe is Cable's clone...
Everyone thought that Cable had the key to the cure, because he have been battling the techno organic virus that's in him since forever, plus, being linked to the man that created the virus and from the same future, made them think he could have some kind of cure for the virus...
But everything was just theoretycal...
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| ONSLAUGHT 1806th Post
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| "Re(1):Onslaught" , posted Wed 24 Apr 16:19
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Nice to have you operational again; my friend.
The movie was not apealing to me; ut that was because they telled the story on a sense that I knew it, I was hoping more influence of what marvel is today and less classical concept.
Thought the movie as not bad due to that ;it is just not for me.
Yes, I'm operational again! Thanks Papa mono!
As for the movie, some didn't like it because it wasn't true to the comics in visuals (I mean, the spandex suits, the colors, certain relationships, etc...), but I think it was true to the X-Men spirit, the ideology, the behavior, almost everything was there!
Even many many jokes and cameos only meant for true X-Men fans!
But I get your point, maybe you were expecting something not so basic, but remember that the movie was aimed to people that didn't know jack about the X-Men...
Hopefully, X-Men 2 will deal with some other problems.
For what I've heard, the bad guys in X-Men 2 will be the Sentinels, and my theory is that Magneto will join the X-Men in an effort to stop those mutant hunting machines...
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| TheBeast 289th Post
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| "Re(2):Onslaught" , posted Wed 24 Apr 17:14
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Nice to have you operational again; my friend.
The movie was not apealing to me; ut that was because they telled the story on a sense that I knew it, I was hoping more influence of what marvel is today and less classical concept.
Thought the movie as not bad due to that ;it is just not for me.
Yes, I'm operational again! Thanks Papa mono!
As for the movie, some didn't like it because it wasn't true to the comics in visuals (I mean, the spandex suits, the colors, certain relationships, etc...), but I think it was true to the X-Men spirit, the ideology, the behavior, almost everything was there!
Even many many jokes and cameos only meant for true X-Men fans!
But I get your point, maybe you were expecting something not so basic, but remember that the movie was aimed to people that didn't know jack about the X-Men...
Hopefully, X-Men 2 will deal with some other problems.
For what I've heard, the bad guys in X-Men 2 will be the Sentinels, and my theory is that Magneto will join the X-Men in an effort to stop those mutant hunting machines...
WELCOME BACK, ONSLAUGHT! 
The only antidote to my poison is death...Hey! No fair! You have a resurrection move??
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| Hungrywolf 742th Post
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| "Re(2):Woops! And more questions..." , posted Wed 24 Apr 18:24
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Well, in fact, Stryfe is Cable's clone...
That's what I meant to say. A little mix up on my part...
On another note, I've just heard (on the Gamefaqs messageboard) that Magneto died defending Genosha from Sentinels? And that Professor X is currently dying and getting his brain taken apart by nano-sized Sentinels? Are these true? Can anyone shed some light on these?
Magneto was assumed dead for a while, but they showed him when the sentinels destroyed Genosha. Not stated if he died or not.
About Xavier no idea, personally I hate the new "darker" X-Men, I miss the old Uncanny Claremont days...
Well, the last time Magneto was in the comics, in the Eve of Destruction Story line (which I liked, cause Dazzler was in it! And Wolverine and Cyclops were working together and got along). At the end of Eve of Destruction Wolverine gutted Magneto. It was unexpected... I think he's either dead or will be out of commission for a while.
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