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| DKW
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|  "Double Dragon continuuity questions"
, posted Wed 17 Apr 01:01
Yeah, that dreaded "C" word again. But I'm just too curious, so...
* There was no mention of dragon force, dragon spirit, dragon art etc. etc. in the series all the way up to at least the fourth installment (for Super NES). As far as I could tell, Billy and Jimmy, as well as all their enemies, were street brawlers...highly skilled, coordinated street brawlers, but street brawlers all the same. (Explain to me what role the "power of the dragon" has in grabbing a guy's head and repeatedly ramming your knee against it?) So how exactly did Double Dragon get so full of mysticism and magic and sorcery and all that? Seems a pretty radical departure to me.
* Marian (not "Mariah") mysterious returns to life at the end of DD2 and remains in the land of the living all the way up to the Neo Geo Double Dragon. How is she dead now? Isn't this the kind of thing Evoga should have explained in greater detail?
* Billy and Jimmy are 22 and 24, respectively?? But the original DD was in 1988, so that would've made them...oh dear god, don't tell me this is a prequel or something...
I'm also curious as to whether anyone at Evoga ever heard of a little phenomenon called Mortal Kombat...particularly, the criminal organization in it that figures prominently into several of the characters' lives. Just a thought.
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| Shin ATproof 280th Post
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| "Re(1):Double Dragon continuuity questions" , posted Wed 17 Apr 02:08:
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Yeah, that dreaded "C" word again. But I'm just too curious, so...
* There was no mention of dragon force, dragon spirit, dragon art etc. etc. in the series all the way up to at least the fourth installment (for Super NES). As far as I could tell, Billy and Jimmy, as well as all their enemies, were street brawlers...highly skilled, coordinated street brawlers, but street brawlers all the same. (Explain to me what role the "power of the dragon" has in grabbing a guy's head and repeatedly ramming your knee against it?) So how exactly did Double Dragon get so full of mysticism and magic and sorcery and all that? Seems a pretty radical departure to me.
The whole Mystical Dragon thing started around Double Dragon 3. The Rosetta(sp?)stone thing and the destiy-ish based story is I think the first time we realize that Billy and Jimmy have a special ability...and in later games that becomes more prominent given that B&J's(heheheheh) powers are more magical/mystical than simply two highly skilled martial artists because in later games their power and skill in the martial arts becomes the focal point of their true power...in Rage of the Dragon's the Dragon part becomes more like a religion than just simply a sacred code.
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* Marian (not "Mariah") mysterious returns to life at the end of DD2 and remains in the land of the living all the way up to the Neo Geo Double Dragon. How is she dead now? Isn't this the kind of thing Evoga should have explained in greater detail?
She came back to life? You sure? I seem to recall at the beginning of Double Dragon 2 Marian get's her helpless ass shot to death by the gang whole the Double Dragons defeated in the first game. Marian came back as I recall in the Neo Geo fighter...given that game was based on the movie and the movie is loosely based on the first game...when she is still alive...therefore she comes back from the dead...sort of.
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* Billy and Jimmy are 22 and 24, respectively?? But the original DD was in 1988, so that would've made them...oh dear god, don't tell me this is a prequel or something...
I doubt it's a prequel...couldn't Billy and Jimmy have been like 18 and 20 or maybe slightly younger when the previous Double Dragon games happened? At least the first Neo Geo fighter...besides even if the ages are changed to fit the story it isn't the first time this has happened...SNK changed the ages of ALL the Art of Fighting characters so they fit with the timeline in King of Fighters...Ryo and company should have all at least been well over 40 by the time 94 happened...
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I'm also curious as to whether anyone at Evoga ever heard of a little phenomenon called Mortal Kombat...particularly, the criminal organization in it that figures prominently into several of the characters' lives. Just a thought.
I'm sorry...I don't follow...can you rephrase that?
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| trufenix
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| "Re(1):Double Dragon continuuity questions" , posted Wed 17 Apr 09:25
Actually, because the DD license was not bought, Evoga has no rights to the content of the series before this.
This means that RotD has nothing to do with Double Dragon 1,2,3,BTDD,Super,DD5,or anything. THis is a completely different story that just happens to be about Dragons, and a blue guy and a red guy.
THat's why their names are William Lewis, and James Lewis, and the backstory has nothing to do with DD.
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| Shin ATproof 283th Post
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| "Re(2):Double Dragon continuuity questions" , posted Wed 17 Apr 10:33
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Actually, because the DD license was not bought, Evoga has no rights to the content of the series before this.
This means that RotD has nothing to do with Double Dragon 1,2,3,BTDD,Super,DD5,or anything. THis is a completely different story that just happens to be about Dragons, and a blue guy and a red guy.
THat's why their names are William Lewis, and James Lewis, and the backstory has nothing to do with DD.
Break a spine,
-F...
If they have no rights then this is a copyright infingement...someone's intellectual rights are being stolen or used without consent.
This is a Double Dragon game and it does have continuity of at least a couple of the previous games at least DD1,2 and some of it with the Neo Geo fighter. and I believe the changing to Lewis is a pun of Jerry Lee Lewis. Let's also realize that Lee was the name of Billy and Jimmy's master...actually I recall Billy and Jimmy were originally named Jack and Hammer.
This game feels like an OAV of sorts but it does have ties to some of the previous games...because basically after Double Dragon 2...nothing made sense really...so there are bound to be plotholes and inconsistencies.
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| DKW
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| "Re(2):Double Dragon continuuity questions" , posted Wed 17 Apr 22:07
I'm absolutely certain that Marian made it back, if not in DD2, than shortly afterward. I do remember her being active on a police force in DD4. I like the idea of her being miraculously raised, if for no other reason that it makes her appearances everywhere (incl. the comics) easier to explain. I mean, take a look at Rugal Bernstein and Vice...taking a hard-line stance on them being dead pretty much invalidates two thirds of the games they're in.
I can buy that DD2 was in a futuristic world (for the time), so the ages could be correct.
But that other thing...there has been an aura of mystery surrounding many of the events of DD for some time...from the "evil shadow" in 2 to many of the enemies in 3, (which included an undead Cleopatra). However, nowhere was it suggested that the brothers themselves (or any of their allies) were in tune with any mystical force. All the strange things around them were simply part of their world. It's like Fatal Fury; while there is plenty of mysticism with the Jin scrolls and the exact nature of Geese's livehood, the principals are jes' plain folks with some special abilities. So the whole dragon mystique in Rage of the Dragons is still a pretty radical departure.
Ah well...I'm sure some of these questions will be answered when the game comes out. (Er, exactly what platform was it again?)
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| Neo Rasa
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| "Re(3):Double Dragon continuuity questions" , posted Thu 18 Apr 16:57
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I'm absolutely certain that Marian made it back, if not in DD2, than shortly afterward. I do remember her being active on a police force in DD4. I like the idea of her being miraculously raised, if for no other reason that it makes her appearances everywhere (incl. the comics) easier to explain. I mean, take a look at Rugal Bernstein and Vice...taking a hard-line stance on them being dead pretty much invalidates two thirds of the games they're in.
I can buy that DD2 was in a futuristic world (for the time), so the ages could be correct.
But that other thing...there has been an aura of mystery surrounding many of the events of DD for some time...from the "evil shadow" in 2 to many of the enemies in 3, (which included an undead Cleopatra). However, nowhere was it suggested that the brothers themselves (or any of their allies) were in tune with any mystical force. All the strange things around them were simply part of their world. It's like Fatal Fury; while there is plenty of mysticism with the Jin scrolls and the exact nature of Geese's livehood, the principals are jes' plain folks with some special abilities. So the whole dragon mystique in Rage of the Dragons is still a pretty radical departure.
Ah well...I'm sure some of these questions will be answered when the game comes out. (Er, exactly what platform was it again?)
I actually think Double Dragon II: The Revenge takes place the furthest in the future out of all of them. The whole premise of the game was to be Double Dragon I only "Mad Max-ized." You're right though D in all of the ports of DD2 Marion comes back to life. The arcade version ends with the the photo and the tear drop.
Double Dragon III: The Rosetta Stone was rediculous. I think it was thrown away in exchange for the plot used in the NES Double Dragon III: The Sacred Stones. This could possibly take place afterwards following the arcade version of DDIII though. If you'll recall the ending states "When the fourth stone is found, it's power will change the world." and a picture is shown of some slightly armored/more powerful versions of the good guys from DDIII. Also take into account that it's a 2D fighting game made after the release of World Warrior. Heavy mystical emphasis is a prerequisite to explain why the special moves are possible.
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