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| DKW
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|  "Re(1):NESTS questions"
, posted Sat 13 Apr 23:24
Zero...or rather, the fake zero in '00...was a renegade who sought to destroy the Nests Cartel headquarters (conveniently located in KOF's #1 city, Southtown). Needless to say, no one loyal to Nests, let alone the big boss, supported him.
As for who's gunnin' for who...have a seat, it's a bit complicated.
In '99, there was just one Nests Team, consisting of agents K and Maxima and the remnants of Team Japan, Benimaru Nikaido and Shingo Yabuki. No one knows of the agents' involvement with the cartel at the time '99 starts. Eventually, Krizalid steps over the line with this Kyo clone business, and Mr. One-Letter and Max turn on him. And since the clone Zero's the boss of Kriz (who is himself a clone, remember), that makes him their enemy as well.
Now, Kula Diamond and her friends are staunchly loyal to the original Nests organization, led by Igniz, and oppose all the breakaway factions that sprung up in the years following its formation. So Zero is her enemy, and, because K broke off (in effect forming yet another faction), he's her enemy as well...hence, "anti-K". (Technically, Maxima should be her enemy as well, but I suppose she considers K the "important" one and Maxima just a henchman...shades of Iori Yagami blowing off Saisyu Kusanagi post-'95.)
And finally, in '01, Kula has her own team, consisting of the last remnants of the Nests loyalists. K's team is still opposed, while a third team is at least ostensibly neutral...you know, the one with Iori. It doesn't really matter, however, since Igniz turns to be everyone's enemy in the end.
Seth and Vanessa have some tie to Nests but aren't actual members. "Independent contractors", if you will. Lin has no ties to anyone; he's in it for purely personal reasons (you know, that Long thing).
As for Benimaru and Shingo...hey, there's this big tournament goinng on, what more motivation do they need?
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| Freeter 2310th Post
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| "Re(2):NESTS questions" , posted Sun 14 Apr 00:03
quote:
Zero...or rather, the fake zero in '00...was a renegade who sought to destroy the Nests Cartel headquarters (conveniently located in KOF's #1 city, Southtown). Needless to say, no one loyal to Nests, let alone the big boss, supported him.
As for who's gunnin' for who...have a seat, it's a bit complicated.
In '99, there was just one Nests Team, consisting of agents K and Maxima and the remnants of Team Japan, Benimaru Nikaido and Shingo Yabuki. No one knows of the agents' involvement with the cartel at the time '99 starts. Eventually, Krizalid steps over the line with this Kyo clone business, and Mr. One-Letter and Max turn on him. And since the clone Zero's the boss of Kriz (who is himself a clone, remember), that makes him their enemy as well.
Now, Kula Diamond and her friends are staunchly loyal to the original Nests organization, led by Igniz, and oppose all the breakaway factions that sprung up in the years following its formation. So Zero is her enemy, and, because K broke off (in effect forming yet another faction), he's her enemy as well...hence, "anti-K". (Technically, Maxima should be her enemy as well, but I suppose she considers K the "important" one and Maxima just a henchman...shades of Iori Yagami blowing off Saisyu Kusanagi post-'95.)
And finally, in '01, Kula has her own team, consisting of the last remnants of the Nests loyalists. K's team is still opposed, while a third team is at least ostensibly neutral...you know, the one with Iori. It doesn't really matter, however, since Igniz turns to be everyone's enemy in the end.
Seth and Vanessa have some tie to Nests but aren't actual members. "Independent contractors", if you will. Lin has no ties to anyone; he's in it for purely personal reasons (you know, that Long thing).
As for Benimaru and Shingo...hey, there's this big tournament goinng on, what more motivation do they need?
Kyo clones, multiple factions, various rivalries...is it any wonder why I think KOF shouldn't have any story at all?
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| TiamatRoar
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| "Re(4):NESTS questions" , posted Sun 14 Apr 20:41:
My biggest problem with the NESTs saga was all the pointless clones that existed for no reason. There's only one character out of all the clones in the NESTs saga who really had a storyline REASON to be a clone, and that was Krizalid, where the fact that he was a clone was used for the Krizalid Whip dynamic. The rest of them I'm still trying to figure out what was the point, from all those characters being clones of Kyo (K', K9999, the two Kyo clones in KOF 1999) to Zero (THAT one came out of no where Oo) to Original Zero having ANOTHER Krizalid striker... it just got plain silly. Oi vey. Another Krizalid striker means there was a CLONE OF A CLONE for crying out loud  ...and if K9999 is a clone of K', that's another clone of a clone (not that it matters either way since it's still silly).
Like I said, I don't mind clone stuff if there's a point (Whip Krizalid dynamic) but NESTs saga just plain overdid it...
Also, NESTs seems to have just a bit too much in-fighting within it. But... I guess that might have been part of the Shadaloo parody/rip-off theme that SNK might have been trying to go for (Everyone betraying the organization, the organization betraying its own loyal members, the army of clones... not that the Dolls really are clones, but everyone thinks they are, so...). I always thought that it was cheesy enough how everyone ended up turning against Bison or the few ones that didn't want to (mainly, Cammy and the Dolls :P), Bison himself turned against in SFA3. Didn't need to see it happening all over again, LOL. Where has the loyalty gone? And don't these evil overlords read the "100 things an evil lord should never do" list and note that that list includes "Do not kill your own members just for being loyal to you."?
That said, I did like some of the things that came out of the NESTs saga. More so than the Orochi saga, but most of those are specific character stories, personalities, and preferences that don't have much to do with the overall story.
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| TiamatRoar
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| "Re(1):O.........k'" , posted Sun 14 Apr 23:18:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof99hero.htm
In this ending, Kyo asks "Who is that guy?" and gets the answer that it was his clone. Also, to make sure "that guy" was not Krizalid, you can check all the other endings where Kyo is instead told, "K' was the clone who showed power rivalling yours..."
Oh, then Maxima says to K', "That's man-made life, huh K'?" instead of "That's life, huh K'?" :P Even K' knows that he's man-made, I believe.
K' always seemed like a clone to me, really. He doesn't even have a complete bio sheet like Krizalid does. No birthdate, birthplace, blood type, or anything Oo And if he were originally a regular person, there'd be some indication that his real name wasn't K', either, I imagine :P I could be wrong, because I don't have access to official SNK statements, but from what I can gleem from the games...
On a side note, I really liked the Whip Krizalid dynamic and wish it got to last more than one game and didn't get resolved so quickly. It had lots of potential. Even for what little length it lasted though, I think it was sad, tragic, and a good story. And, like I said, unlike all those other clones, it actually made USE of the fact that Krizalid was a clone. K9999 sorta made use of the clone fact a little, too (it's part of his hatred for K'), but all that was really necessary for K9999 to hate K' was for K9999 to be a lab creation in general, not a clone. Really, one clone should be enough, shouldn't it? Oo
Oh, a lot of the information was taken from (and judgements based on the information from) the KOF story FAQ at gamefaqs.com. It could be wrong, though so far I haven't seen any times where it screwed up from what info it was able to get from the games.
...wait. I just realized. K' is a clone of Kyo. Krizalid is a clone of K'. Now, assuming that Original Zero's Krizalid is a clone of Krizalid, that means that Original Zero's Krizalid is a clone of a clone of a clone. ...ack! Okay, I'll stop, now. It's starting to make my head hurt, LOL
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| DKW
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| "Reeeal simple" , posted Mon 15 Apr 10:58
Um...no offense, but have you ever considered the possibility that Zero may have been lying? (It never ceases to amaze me how many players will take a murderous megalomaniacal power-obsessed renegade at his word.) Consider: Kyo is important to the operation. But someone like him isn't just going to lie down while you work out your plans for world domination/carnage/whatever. To keep him under control, you need an edge. Something to prevent him from getting comfortable and drawing a bead on you. And since you're part of a mysterious world organization, what better weapon than misinformation? "Yes, Kyo, he's very close to you. In fact, you're practically brothers!" For the record, I'm not convinced that K is a clone of anybody, if for no other reason that he doesn't look like anybody else. He has Kyo's DNA, but not his body. As for the lack of biographical info...hey, he's spent his whole life within Nests, you really expect anyone on the outside to know all that much about him?
That leaves "fake Zero", Kyo-1 & Kyo-2, and the new Krizalid in '01. Since the numbered Kyos were in the tournament before the rest are activated, they were early prototypes separate from the "main line". Fake Zero is simply a copy of the real Zero, as is Ling (who appears in those corny cutscenes with Heidern). The new Krizalid is the same thing the old Krizalid was, a knockoff of K.
Easy, no? As for what the purpose of all these things were...ah, maybe Igniz wanted to ensure equality within the ranks or something. (Hey, maybe I can go somewhere with that...)
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