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pointystick

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"VF4 A.I. training" , posted Thu 28 Mar 01:42

Okay, this is weirding me out. While your AI is fighting, occasionally the word "play" will appear on the little AI message window, and you can enter yes or no. What the hell does this mean? Is the AI asking you what you think of what they are doing, if so, what exactly are they talking about? The last technique? The last series of techniques? Also, why, when I spar with my AI, does it not put up a fight at all compared to how it does against other AIs? It just sits there. This AI feature is the most nebulous thing I have ever seen in a fighting game, and the manual doesn't do a thing to explain it. Anyone out there understand it better than me?

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Gojira

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"Re(1):VF4 A.I. training" , posted Thu 28 Mar 02:50

Well, GameFAQs' message boards usually aren't good for much, but I found this to be a useful post:

**~~ SbN's Virtua Fighter 3 AI Training Tutorial ~~**

See if any of that answers your question.

pointystick

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"Re(2):VF4 A.I. training" , posted Thu 28 Mar 10:54

quote:
Well, GameFAQs' message boards usually aren't good for much, but I found this to be a useful post:

**~~ SbN's Virtua Fighter 3 AI Training Tutorial ~~**

See if any of that answers your question.

Oh yeah, that rocked. Only one question remains, really. In sparring mode, do you have to hit your opponent for them to learn properly? If you keep whiffing them with attacks, will they do the same to their opponents in kumite?

Gojira

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"Re(3):VF4 A.I. training" , posted Fri 29 Mar 02:11

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Oh yeah, that rocked. Only one question remains, really. In sparring mode, do you have to hit your opponent for them to learn properly? If you keep whiffing them with attacks, will they do the same to their opponents in kumite?

I'm pretty sure you can. I'm training a Vanessa AI right now, and the only way I can get her to not stop me in mid-combo with that pesky punch grab is if I completely whiff the PPPK combos. She does it during fights so I'm pretty sure it worked.

Toxico

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"VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 02:21:

quote:
Okay, this is weirding me out. While your AI is fighting, occasionally the word "play" will appear on the little AI message window, and you can enter yes or no. What the hell does this mean? Is the AI asking you what you think of what they are doing, if so, what exactly are they talking about? The last technique? The last series of techniques? Also, why, when I spar with my AI, does it not put up a fight at all compared to how it does against other AIs? It just sits there. This AI feature is the most nebulous thing I have ever seen in a fighting game, and the manual doesn't do a thing to explain it. Anyone out there understand it better than me?

Whaaa... but it is harder to train an AI with a moded BIOS on any MVS game....

Lame Question: Can you switch memory slots so 2 players can chare a memory card when getting EXP to change the clothes of your characters??
The guy that owns the game knows nothing of Engrish & just play all the time; and it is up to me to find out how...

Of course we have only access to 1 memory card.

[this message was edited by Toxico on Fri 29 Mar 02:24]

Gojira

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"Re(1):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 02:51:

quote:

Lame Question: Can you switch memory slots so 2 players can chare a memory card when getting EXP to change the clothes of your characters??
The guy that owns the game knows nothing of Engrish & just play all the time; and it is up to me to find out how...

Of course we have only access to 1 memory card.

Well you can switch the memory card between slots... select the character for player 1 then switch slots and select a different one for player 2. Then switch the card back into slot 1 when you're done with Vs. Mode, and then insert into slot 2 when the game prompts you.

It's kinda tedious but AFAIK it's the only way to handle it.

EDIT: But if you mean can two different saves share clothing and accessories, the answer is no. Not even if they're on the same memory card... -_-

[this message was edited by Gojira on Fri 29 Mar 02:53]

Toxico

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"Re(2):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 03:14

quote:

Lame Question: Can you switch memory slots so 2 players can chare a memory card when getting EXP to change the clothes of your characters??
The guy that owns the game knows nothing of Engrish & just play all the time; and it is up to me to find out how...

Of course we have only access to 1 memory card.

Well you can switch the memory card between slots... select the character for player 1 then switch slots and select a different one for player 2. Then switch the card back into slot 1 when you're done with Vs. Mode, and then insert into slot 2 when the game prompts you.

It's kinda tedious but AFAIK it's the only way to handle it.

EDIT: But if you mean can two different saves share clothing and accessories, the answer is no. Not even if they're on the same memory card... -_-

Crap... sega does always makes some little uncomtable mistakes like this with their games.... but they are still good...

Hope that the guy don't give that "voltage damage" speech again; or he might bite the big one with a single blow.

Thanks anyway.

Mosquiton

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"Re(3):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 06:31

For some reason I haven't gotten a new item in forever. It's making me ill. I also fought a character with the item I wanted (short hair for Vanessa), but I was using Pai so I didn't get it. Ugh.

It seems like I did manage to "steal" the beret from the computer in kumite.

Haven't gotten anything from versus for a long while either. 7th Dan now, I need more stuff!!!

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pointystick

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"Re(4):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 08:40

quote:
For some reason I haven't gotten a new item in forever. It's making me ill. I also fought a character with the item I wanted (short hair for Vanessa), but I was using Pai so I didn't get it. Ugh.

It seems like I did manage to "steal" the beret from the computer in kumite.

Haven't gotten anything from versus for a long while either. 7th Dan now, I need more stuff!!!

Oo, I want a beret and short hair for Vanessa, she's my chosen character. It'll be a while before I am 2nd dan though, I am having a hard time beating even other 1st dan AIs.

Gojira

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"Re(5):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 09:44

quote:

Oo, I want a beret and short hair for Vanessa, she's my chosen character. It'll be a while before I am 2nd dan though, I am having a hard time beating even other 1st dan AIs.

With Vanessa?

Hmm, i could tell you an AI bug that makes the game ten times easier with her... kinda silly though, and it makes the CPU almost too easy to beat on stages that aren't too small. I know, I'll use the spoiler button! If you're still having trouble getting wins with Vanessa in Kumite, check it out.

Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
First go into training mode and practice the timing for this combo: b,b+K+G(hold), then d+P+K+G or df+P+K+G on the stunned opponent. Once you get the timing down for this combo, go back into Kumite. Do it on ANY opponent. They will most likely block the kick, but do the low throw anyway, at that exact timing and it will almost ALWAYS throw. The only times I haven't seen it work is on Vanessa while in Muay Thai stance. Otherwise every single opponent falls for it.

End of Spoiler

Gojira

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"Re(6):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 09:47

Oh yeah, and BTW I have a Vanessa at Hero rank with a lot of items, and blonde hair for the P2 costume ^_^

Mosquiton

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"Re(7):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Fri 29 Mar 18:44

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Oh yeah, and BTW I have a Vanessa at Hero rank with a lot of items, and blonde hair for the P2 costume ^_^

I have the blonde hair for P2 also, but what I'd really like is black hair, I wonder if it exists?

I actually did know about that trick Goji, I found it after learning you could do a crouch throw after the dodgepunch type move... although I try to restrain myself from abusing it except in really tough/important matches. How did the testers overlook that one I wonder?

So, I'm assuming there's no specific trick to getting items. Guess I'll keep playing..

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Gojira

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"Re(8):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Sat 30 Mar 15:21

quote:

So, I'm assuming there's no specific trick to getting items. Guess I'll keep playing..

There's no real trick for most of them, but you can get some items through playing Vs. Mode. I don't know the exact method but I got 2 items that way.

And I assume you already know this, but there are some silly disgrace items you get by losing a lot or doing really stupid things. It's hard with Vanessa... I am having so much trouble trying to get Vanessa's hockey mask. You have to get hit by something like 15 hits per round for 3 rounds, but it just doesn't seem possible with the damage so high.

Mosquiton

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"Re(9):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Sat 30 Mar 19:14

I actually got the hockey mask by loading up two of my characters from the same card, and having Pai beat Vanessa up with only PPP combos...

But I'd much rather have the good ones. Just gotta keep on playing I guess, wish I had some people around to play vs with me.

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pointystick

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"Re(10):VF4 Player costume custom question" , posted Sat 30 Mar 22:42

Thanks for the tip, Gojirra, but I don't see why you had to put it in teh spoilers tag. Fighting game strategy isn't a spoiler, is it?

Gojira

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"Re(2):Re(10):VF4 Player costume custom questi" , posted Mon 1 Apr 13:10

quote:
Thanks for the tip, Gojirra, but I don't see why you had to put it in teh spoilers tag. Fighting game strategy isn't a spoiler, is it?

No, but I consider things like glitches and bugs to be detrimental to the overall experience. Sure it's the AI, but if you can rack up 1450 wins and 0 losses with Vanessa because of an AI bug it's not as satisfying as doing it without.