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Hungrywolf

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"Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 17:12

Ok, I usually don't have to ask questions about Rurouni Kenshin, but now I do. But it's just a spelling question....alright, when Kenshin was called Battousai, he was called that because he was master of the technique called Battou Jutsu (which is what I need help spelling). I don't think Battou Jutsu is correct, unless I'm really lucky, so what is the correct romanized way to spell it?

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Chupiler

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"Re(1):Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 18:03

Technically, if it's not in standard dictionaries, there's no real correct way to spell a lot of Romanized Japanese.

Up until Kenshin, I've never heard of Battoujutsu. It seems to be a fabricated name. The common name of this style is Iai or Iai-jutsu, the art of drawing one's sword.

pointystick

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"Re(2):Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 18:12

quote:
Technically, if it's not in standard dictionaries, there's no real correct way to spell a lot of Romanized Japanese.

Up until Kenshin, I've never heard of Battoujutsu. It seems to be a fabricated name. The common name of this style is Iai or Iai-jutsu, the art of drawing one's sword.

Well, battou means to draw your sword, so I guess it makes sense, even if it is made up. In other news, Parikagekidan! Sanjou!

Hungrywolf

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"Re(3):Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 19:15

quote:
Technically, if it's not in standard dictionaries, there's no real correct way to spell a lot of Romanized Japanese.

Up until Kenshin, I've never heard of Battoujutsu. It seems to be a fabricated name. The common name of this style is Iai or Iai-jutsu, the art of drawing one's sword.

Well, battou means to draw your sword, so I guess it makes sense, even if it is made up. In other news, Parikagekidan! Sanjou!

Well, Battou jutsu was him drawing his sword with god-like speed, that's all I know. No site I hav found lists it as a move of Kenshin's, which I think is weird. I don't think it is a technique of the Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu style.

kyo717
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"Re(4):Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 20:21

i don't remember exactly, this is off the top of my head.
hitokiri battousai means master assassin/killer. jutsu means style or skill, something like that. put is together it means like assassin skills or assassin style.

for more info on kenjutsu(fighting style) or waza(techniques) from rurouni kenshin, http://studiounmei.org/kenshin /

Hungrywolf

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"Re(5):Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 21:19

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i don't remember exactly, this is off the top of my head.
hitokiri battousai means master assassin/killer. jutsu means style or skill, something like that. put is together it means like assassin skills or assassin style.

for more info on kenjutsu(fighting style) or waza(techniques) from rurouni kenshin, http://studiounmei.org/kenshin /

Actually, Hitokiri alone means assassin, as far as I know. In the episode where Kenshin fights Jin'e he tells Jin'e, after using his sheathe to hit Jin'e with a double Battou Jutsu, that he was called Battousai because of his high skill in the technique of Battou jutsu, or somehing along those lines.

pointystick

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"Re(6):Kenshin question.....Oro?" , posted Sun 24 Mar 21:24:

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Actually, Hitokiri alone means assassin, as far as I know. In the episode where Kenshin fights Jin'e he tells Jin'e, after using his sheathe to hit Jin'e with a double Battou Jutsu, that he was called Battousai because of his high skill in the technique of Battou jutsu, or somehing along those lines.

人 = hito = man, 切 = kiri = cut. Shinobi is a proper name for an assassin. Hitokiri, like many other terms in Kenshin, are made up words, not in the dictionary. Searching for definitions of made-up words is rather pointless, eh?

To use a Western example, imagine combining Latin roots and making words like "hydrology", from that stupid skin cream ad.

[this message was edited by pointystick on Sun 24 Mar 21:28]

Tashoku Kisune

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"Uhhh.. I'll try to help as much as possible." , posted Mon 25 Mar 16:14

I was rather surprised to realize that I know exactly what you're talking about. (Yea for me!)

I believe the proper way of spelling Battou Jutsu is just that. I guess if prefered (like some English words) it could be hyphenated.

As for the direct translations of Hitokiri, etc. I have no clue. I'm working on it, though. As a BIG HUGE fan of Rurouni Kenshin I do an endless amount of research. However it makes it difficult as I can't really speak Japanese myself. (Though I'm going through all the trouble of teaching it to myself.)

Battou Jutsu is not part of the Hiten Mitsurugi style of swordsmanship. The Hiten Mitsurugi style is, as you know, an ultrasonic vibration technique while Battou Jutsu relies more on speed than vibrations. However.. the two do make a RATHER deadly combination.

I believe I was told somewhere within the first tapes.. or I got the impression.. that Battou Jutsu was a taught technique to a few people during the revolution as he was not the only Battousai to wander about. He was just the best thanks to the Hiten Mitsurugi style that Hiko taught him. ^_^

Hope that helps.. though I'm sure I'm just recapping most of what you already know.

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"Re(1):Uhhh.. I'll try to help as much as poss" , posted Mon 25 Mar 17:38

Is battousai 抜刀才, a combination of battou jutsu and the last kanji from "tensai" (genius)?

Tashoku Kisune

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"Re(2):Uhhh.. I'll try to help as much as poss" , posted Mon 25 Mar 19:37

quote:
Is battousai 抜刀才, a combination of battou jutsu and the last kanji from "tensai" (genius)?

Arigato!

pointystick

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"Re(3):Uhhh.. I'll try to help as much as poss" , posted Mon 25 Mar 22:57

quote:
Is battousai 抜刀才, a combination of battou jutsu and the last kanji from "tensai" (genius)?
Arigato!

No, that was a question, I don't know if it is. Anyone else know?

Shin ATproof
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"Re(4):Uhhh.. I'll try to help as much as poss" , posted Tue 26 Mar 00:48:

Keep in mind that Romaji is phonetically spelling a Japanese word into romanized letters. There is no such thing as an absolute correct spelling in Romaji or any phonetic spelling of any word but rather a close literation to help sound the word out. So as long as your spelling the word to make the sound is close enough it okay. Kinda like in Dragon Ball with the 50 different spelling of Son's name "Gokou" "Goku" "Gokuu" "Gokuh", etc, etc...all are correct...however you will always meet an idiot who was only tought the Hepburn sytle of romanization and assumes that it's the only correct way. [shrugs]...go fig. <ahem> any way...

"Hitokiri" and "batousai" from what I understand are made up words like "Rurouni"

Rurouni=Taken from the words "Rurou" and "Ronin" which are "Wanderer" and "masterless samurai" therefore the translation is "Wandering Masterless Samurai" now with that the following...

Hito-kiri=is literally "Person Cutter" BUT it's translated to be "Manslayer" it COULD be "Assassin" because that is what a assassin does...kill people BUT it's a loose translation for a slayer is someone who will mutilate you, cut you into pieces...Pre-Meiji Himura was such a person.

Ba-tou-sai=Is "Unsheath/draw sword master" or translated as "Master of sword drawing" I imagine. Given the fact that is what you have to be to do batoujutsu. Draw your sword really fast with masterful skill.

"Hitenmitsurugi-Ryu" or "Soring Heaven Royal Sword Style" from what I understand is at heart a style based on quick slashes to defeat an opponent rather than raw strength or skill. "Kuzuryusen" or "Nine headed dragon flash" The Ougi "Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki" or "Heaven's flying dragon flash" are prime examples of this. Given e fact that Kuzuryusen strikes all nine vital points of the body simultaneously in a clockwise motion therefore and it is impossible to defend or dodge. Unless canceled by THE OUGI which IS identified as a Batoujutsu (Sword Drawing Stance) that leads with the left leg instead of the right leg. With a Kuzuryu which with the first slash will make a rip in space because it's so fast making a vacuum effect to give the user a chance with a second strike to finish off the opponent. Batoujutsu is at the heart of Hitenmitsurugi. However it's an all-purpose art such as Doryusen which is a projectile or Ryutsuizan which is an arial attack.

Well...I hope I covered most of the stuff...heheheheheh.

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[this message was edited by Shin ATproof on Tue 26 Mar 00:51]

Zepy
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"Re(4):Uhhh.. I'll try to help as much as poss" , posted Tue 26 Mar 02:07

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No, that was a question, I don't know if it is. Anyone else know?

The 'sai' in batousai is 斎.

Moo