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"Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 10:24post reply


As of late, I keep hearing people talking about Kanon. Even Piro of Megatokyo has been obsessed with Kanon as of late.

So, what I am asking is "Kanon nani ka?" or what is Kanon?






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"Re(1):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 11:02post reply


It's a renai game for the PC and later the dreamcast which is recently being broadcast as an anime in Japan. The anime is probably bringing forth the recent attention.





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"Re(2):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 11:14post reply


quote:
It's a renai game for the PC and later the dreamcast which is recently being broadcast as an anime in Japan. The anime is probably bringing forth the recent attention.



I watched the first episode of the anime. Their eye/mouth size ratio was far too big, I had to turn it off. Also, everyone talks extremely slowly, which is good for us partial Japanese speakers, but is still quite boring.





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"Re(3):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 11:52post reply


quote:
It's a renai game for the PC and later the dreamcast which is recently being broadcast as an anime in Japan. The anime is probably bringing forth the recent attention.


Oh! So that's what it is. Oh, okay.


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I watched the first episode of the anime. Their eye/mouth size ratio was far too big, I had to turn it off. Also, everyone talks extremely slowly, which is good for us partial Japanese speakers, but is still quite boring.



Well, the art looks okay to me, but everyone pretty much talks slowly? I guess I'll have to live with it.





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"Re(4):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 12:02post reply


Really though, watching the anime w/o playing the game leaves you missing a lot of stuff. Not to mention how touching the game itself is. Personally, I think if you really want to talk about Kanon, you should play the game first. I'm still debating to get the PS2 version, since I already ave the PC adult version and the DC version.

At this rate Air will become an anime in no time...





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"Re(5):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 12:04post reply


The game sounds interesting. Anyone care to put a link up to see what it looks like?

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Really though, watching the anime w/o playing the game leaves you missing a lot of stuff. Not to mention how touching the game itself is. Personally, I think if you really want to talk about Kanon, you should play the game first. I'm still debating to get the PS2 version, since I already ave the PC adult version and the DC version.

At this rate Air will become an anime in no time...







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"Re(6):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 14:26post reply


quote:
The game sounds interesting. Anyone care to put a link up to see what it looks like?

Really though, watching the anime w/o playing the game leaves you missing a lot of stuff. Not to mention how touching the game itself is. Personally, I think if you really want to talk about Kanon, you should play the game first. I'm still debating to get the PS2 version, since I already ave the PC adult version and the DC version.

At this rate Air will become an anime in no time...




Well, here's a link to the T.V. series, though it's in Japanese:

Kanon T.V. series





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"Re(5):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 16:19post reply


quote:
Really though, watching the anime w/o playing the game leaves you missing a lot of stuff. Not to mention how touching the game itself is. Personally, I think if you really want to talk about Kanon, you should play the game first. I'm still debating to get the PS2 version, since I already ave the PC adult version and the DC version.

At this rate Air will become an anime in no time...



I'd like to play the game, but my lack of Japanese knowledge prevents it...-.-

But from the feeling the anime gives off it looks like the story is very different from your usual Date Sim, so I should try to fight through it and play it (Now which version to pick up...).

As for the Tv series, oddly enough I found the first ep to be rather boring too. It wasn't until the second ep that I really got hooked by the series (Which is why I always give series a 2-3 ep window to see if they hook me...)





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"Re(6):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 18:12post reply


That's because it isn't a date sim; it's a visual novel. Date sim's (renai games) don't tend to have a solid story, just really strong characters. Visual novels are just that: novels with picture representation. So of course there will be a plot. Trust me, I play these game all the time.





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"Re(7):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 18:35post reply


quote:
That's because it isn't a date sim; it's a visual novel. Date sim's (renai games) don't tend to have a solid story, just really strong characters. Visual novels are just that: novels with picture representation. So of course there will be a plot. Trust me, I play these game all the time.



Ahh...Thanks for the clarification (I don't play the games, I just watch the anime based off of them...:P).





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"Re(7):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 19:10:post reply


This will sound dumb, but how do you play a visual novel?

Or is it like an electronic comic that you just watch?

I think i seen the characters of these games as mugen characters.

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That's because it isn't a date sim; it's a visual novel. Date sim's (renai games) don't tend to have a solid story, just really strong characters. Visual novels are just that: novels with picture representation. So of course there will be a plot. Trust me, I play these game all the time.







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"Re(8):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 19:25post reply


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This will sound dumb, but how do you play a visual novel?

Or is it like an electronic comic that you just watch?



Visual Novels became popular with Leaf's VN series (Shizuku, Kizuato, and To Heart. The characters from these three games are in Queen of Heart, so you guys will probably recognize.)

VNs are played by simply reading along with the story, and once in a while there will be a selection of what to do. Selecting your action will put you on a path to continue the story in certain direction.
It's like those old "choose your own adventure" type games.

Of course, by choosing the actions, the story can take a radically diffrent turn, guiding you to a completely diffrent story than the other selection.

This is a standard format for the traditional "Adventure" type games in Japan for decades, so what's diffrent about Visual Novels?

Nothing. The only diffrence is that VNs are presented in "novel format", with text overlaying the screen instead of being in the dialog box.
Also, VNs are written in novel style of writing, instead of "game" style of writing.
But the base core of "gameplay" is the same.

After the three games from Leaf (especially after the huge sucess of To Heart), floodgate of this "Visual Novel" type games opened with many copycats.

Kanon is written (and drawn) by the same people who handled "One" and "Air". (diffrent company, but same team)

Out of all the "Leaf wannabe"s, this team is the most sucessful.

I recommend Leaf's VN series the most. Besides, playing QOH is more fun when you know the story and characters well :)

Kanon/Air/One is high quality writing, but it's not my taste. Leaf's characters feel more familiar to me, than Kanon.

P.S: I've played um...
umm..
I lost count (^^;

Uh, many visual novels. Of course, by the law of any media, 90% of them are crap. Like any game genre. But the few that shines, shines bright. Like any media. :)





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"Re(9):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 19:42post reply


Thats sounds like something i would like, too bad is in Japanese gah!

quote:
This will sound dumb, but how do you play a visual novel?

Or is it like an electronic comic that you just watch?


Visual Novels became popular with Leaf's VN series (Shizuku, Kizuato, and To Heart. The characters from these three games are in Queen of Heart, so you guys will probably recognize.)

VNs are played by simply reading along with the story, and once in a while there will be a selection of what to do. Selecting your action will put you on a path to continue the story in certain direction.
It's like those old "choose your own adventure" type games.

Of course, by choosing the actions, the story can take a radically diffrent turn, guiding you to a completely diffrent story than the other selection.

This is a standard format for the traditional "Adventure" type games in Japan for decades, so what's diffrent about Visual Novels?

Nothing. The only diffrence is that VNs are presented in "novel format", with text overlaying the screen instead of being in the dialog box.
Also, VNs are written in novel style of writing, instead of "game" style of writing.
But the base core of "gameplay" is the same.

After the three games from Leaf (especially after the huge sucess of To Heart), floodgate of this "Visual Novel" type games opened with many copycats.

Kanon is written (and drawn) by the same people who handled "One" and "Air". (diffrent company, but same team)

Out of all the "Leaf wannabe"s, this team is the most sucessful.

I recommend Leaf's VN series the most. Besides, playing QOH is more fun when you know the story and characters well :)

Kanon/Air/One is high quality writing, but it's not my taste. Leaf's characters feel more familiar to me, than Kanon.

P.S: I've played um...
umm..
I lost count (^^;

Uh, many visual novels. Of course, by the law of any media, 90% of them are crap. Like any game genre. But the few that shines, shines bright. Like any media. :)







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"Re(8):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 19:52post reply


[url=http://www.din.or.jp/~nakakita/flash/guideline.htm ]Example

Here's an example of a visual novel. In real visual novels, once in a while there will be choices for you to pick, usually about what you (the main character ) do, say, or think. These choices will affect the story, such as branching off and focusing mainly on one character, etc.

This flash is a To Heart parody.





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"Re(9):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 19:58post reply


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[url=http://www.din.or.jp/~nakakita/flash/guideline.htm ]Example



LOL!!

That was pretty funny.
Of course, Multi would never say such things, but the gap made it even funnier :)

demo 'ochi' ga nai...(^^;;

Do you know of any other parodies?





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"Re(9):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 20:04post reply


Heh, that's a neat and cute example, Chupiler. Now I just need to learn Japanese and i'm all set...^^ (And it had cute Multi pics too...:)





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"Re(10):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 20:42post reply


The entire thing is an "ochi" :P It's an (in)famous post at 2ch. Most times people will rough up boards and threads by posting this meaningless post, sometimes modifying it. Some of the phrases are also used often now.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 21:12post reply


quote:
The entire thing is an "ochi" :P It's an (in)famous post at 2ch. Most times people will rough up boards and threads by posting this meaningless post, sometimes modifying it. Some of the phrases are also used often now.



sounds like there is a real colourfull backstory to this...

*sniff* But can Multi really say such things? Somebody must of placed the X-box OS on her system... :laugh;





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"Re(5):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Mon 18 Mar 23:23post reply


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At this rate Air will become an anime in no time...



I hope that if there is to be an Air anime, KSS will be the one that gets it... KSS seemed to be just about ready to do the Kanon anime before... but they somehow lost Kanon to another studio?

The character designs they released later looked so much better then what we're seeing now...





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"Re(6):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Tue 19 Mar 09:32:post reply


About the first post: Piro has been a fan of these games ever since before Megatokyo started. I think he has put references to the games ever since episode one and has mentioned about his fandom several times on his rants.

Now, on the topic. There is a web page that seems to be very informative on this type of games. The name is Freetype, and it has reviews of bishoujo games, anime and other stuff. Although the author does not updates very often, the content is of very high quality. If you go to the features section you will find a link to an article called 'Gal Girls Come of Age' which I think is excellent introductory material, especially since the author takes a very unbiased position. Kanon pictures are included there if you want to know how it looks like.

I have a weak point against cute stuff and character developent (wonder what happens when you put both...), and I have been trying to get these games for a while, but damn that credit card ^^;; I think the Kanon, ONE and To Heart animes are very good, but they definitively are not for everyone, especially for the unpatient ^_-





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"Re(3):Re(10):Kanon nani ka?" , posted Tue 19 Mar 09:46post reply


Wow! With so much talk here, I might as well get the game as soon as possible.