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| Ultima
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|  "Jeez,. what an idiot..."
, posted Tue 26 Feb 03:06
To ninjabastard:
BTW, the Xbox *will* bomb in Japan. No, I'm not hoping it does, as I actually don't care. BUt it will die, no questions asked. Not unless MS buys Square and/or Enix.
[a whole lot of garbage deleted]
Y'know, for all that ranting, you could have said "I hate Sony and/or the PS2" and it would have sufficed.
> And MS is still smaller than Sony, but MS is more profetable.[/quote]
Sony is bigger than MS? Is this true? (I'm asking a serious question here - someone other than ninjabastard please answer)
> If guys keep up this attiude about everything you will get fucked even more than now with ps2 currently.
What ignorance. The PS2 is better now that is has ever been (it wasn't worthy owning this time last year, but what a difference a year has made). What's so fucked about it?
> Instead of evangelizing everything Sony.
Who the hell is evangelizing Sony?
> Just play the games and quit being an ass.
We are. That's why PS2 is in such great shape now. It actually has games worth playing. The Xbox, on the other hand...
(Note that isn't saying that the Xbox *won't* get good games - though with the system's imminent failure in Japan, I'm not betting on it - just that it doesn't have anything worth buying the system for right now).
> Goddamn I'm having to do the same thing to convice people of a good system again.
Unfortuatly people didn't listein to my words for DC.
A system is only as good as its games. The Xbox has like two above average titles (DoA3, Halo) that aren't upgrade ports, and a whole lot of nothing. It remains to be seen what they'll end up with, but right now the system us not worth getting.
> So, many of you will do the same thing. And I own all 3 of the next system too.
What, do you want a cookie?
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| ninjabastard 448th Post
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| "Hey just saying as it is" , posted Tue 26 Feb 03:54:
Maybe I should say how fucked up it is for developers. You still have no idea what they go though to make a game on a ps2. The ps2 is design is crap. The chip can output at 3gb/sec but the i/o system can only handle 1gb/sec. How this affect us, the games can never hit the full potental of what the chip can handle. Of course, that is after the many, many more months needed to program in a higher level assembly language(I think it was called Lathem or something. can't remember on the top of my head, but it's assembly based). Why do you think it took so damn long for the fall 2001 games to come out when they're were annouced within lauch to E3? And still they are fucking jaggy. They're just isn't enough RAM for the extra needed space to AA. Yeah, I still think ps2 is crap.
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BTW, the Xbox *will* bomb in Japan. No, I'm not hoping it does, as I actually don't care. BUt it will die, no questions asked. Not unless MS buys Square and/or Enix
Already said MS needs two out three regions to do well. Even then as long there is US support Japanesse companies will make games for the US(Remember the N64?). I never expected them to go well in Japan. Very unfriendly for forgein products. Still, people are already annoucing the death of the system when gamecube sucks more. And I really don't consider DOA 3 a killer app. More JSRF, Halo,hopefully Gunvalk and Tekki. I guess you really can't see the fact how Sony has monoplized the game industry. Sony can come out with a crap system but because people are tricked by eye candy and buy it. They lose the chance for a more invoative company(Sega,MS maybe, to early). I'm saying you can take a stand I try not get screwed any more(The Japanesse all bought the ps2 HD for like a few second increase in speed for FFX). And I never made this personal ass. I stated my opinan and you attack my creitblity? Go fuck yourself. Yeah it was a rant. But you should quit being so high and mighty when you are the majority of people fucking yourself. I guess that's what is pissing me off. Consumers fucking themselves.
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| Fou - Lu
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|  "Re(1):Hey just saying as it is"
, posted Tue 26 Feb 18:07:
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Sony some times has do the rol of the BadGuy, but it has do for survive in this difficult and dinamic market; and Microsoft is not an angel in all this. Bill is like a demon, and he play dirty many times....
He is not a victim in all this, if he is look for a fight in the home videogames, he got it. And has to battle like the others do; if not, go back to your home boy, this is not your market and you Bill know this.
And Nintendo has make more sales in Japan than X-box in GC and GBA systems. You canīt say:- that the Game Cube sucks, you have see Resident Evil. And in the E3 Microsoft donīt show many games for the XB.
And Sony is not more bigger than Microsoft; because in my country, Argentina Sony donīt have any representation but MS it have; and this country sucks!
The Emperor returns from his tomb an this time Itīs forever for see de best games of the Greats Capcom and the new SNK for see the truth.
[this message was edited by Fou - Lu on Tue 26 Feb 18:38] |
| ninjabastard 449th Post
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| "I hate editing posts." , posted Tue 26 Feb 19:38
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" quote:"" Sony some times has do the rol of the BadGuy, but it has do for survive in this difficult and dinamic market; and Microsoft is not an angel in all this. Bill is like a demon, and he play dirty many times....
He is not a victim in all this, if he is look for a fight in the home videogames, he got it. And has to battle like the others do; if not, go back to your home boy, this is not your market and you Bill know this.
And Nintendo has make more sales in Japan than X-box in GC and GBA systems. You canīt say:- that the Game Cube sucks, you have see Resident Evil. And in the E3 Microsoft donīt show many games for the XB.
And Sony is not more bigger than Microsoft; because in my country, Argentina Sony donīt have any representation but MS it have; and this country sucks!
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Since I hate editing my posts for more info(quotes sorting is annoying). I'll just do a quick rebut(probably not). I never liked RE that much man. It's like saying me saying I can't wait for Capcom vs SNK 3. You should buy the system for it. What if you hate fighting games? How's that play into the equation? And you saying MS has more rep then Sony in Agentina really isn't valid info. I read my info from yahoo a while ago. Go search man. Think of how many Sony companies there are; Music,games,movies,electics. Ms games,software.
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| Luisinan
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| "Re(1):Hey just saying as it is" , posted Tue 26 Feb 08:12
Woah! Lets not start a flame war. The cafe is such a nice place. Anyway, Ninja Bastard brought up some great points.
Sony is hurting the industry with its strongarm tactcis. It sucks, but they can do that because they're strong. Bleem and withoulding PS2s are great examples. Sony does indeed suck a lot. But on the other hand, companies do this all the time. Nintendo sues everyone all the time. Capcom even sued whats-their-face for copying the 6 button layout on a fighting game. Only thing you can really do is tell your retailer that you will support them even if they do something that Sony does not think is good.
The PS2 hardware does SUCK! The Xbox is hardware is MUCH better. Even the Gamecube, which might have weaker hardware, is easier to work with (thus better!) Just ask any game developer- this is true!
The PS2 sold out on launch day because people are fools. PS2 launch titles SUCKED A LOT more then XBox launch titles. The DC had better launch titles then the XBox or the PS2 and look at what happened.
What can I conclude from all of this...
(a) The general public is foolish when it comes to video games (ex. PS2)
(b) The Xbox will tank in Japan. Sorry for the massive generalization, but the Japanese do not like foreign products, nor do they like buying the "2nd place" product. (ex. 3D0, N64)
(c) Microsoft is evil, so even though their hardware is AWESOME and it will bring healthy competition to the industry, they will ultimately be nasty once they get enough power. (ex. Windows OS) You can never convince me otherwise.
(d) The DC died because people are foolish. (ex. DC has AWESOME games, but it still died.)
(e) Sony has shown its ugly side, but the Gamecube is here, so at least there are 2 consoles to choose from. 3 consoles if the xbox lasts in the US.
(f) Gamecube will NEVER suck, because it has Nintendo, Rare, Sega, Camelot working on it. If you don't like games from those 4 companies, then the GC does suck.
(g) Even though I would like a 3 console competition- I hate MS too much and I know they will be even more evil then Sony and Nintendo when they get to power. Sorry X-Box, you were a GREAT piece of hardware, but your father should get put away for life!
That is all! If anyone has a good counter arguement please don't flame.
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| Fou - Lu
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| "Re(2):Hey just saying as it is" , posted Tue 26 Feb 18:55:
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"(...)The PS2 sold out on launch day because people are fools. PS2 launch titles SUCKED A LOT more then XBox launch titles. The DC had better launch titles then the XBox or the PS2 and look at what happened.(...)"
> The DC donīt have great titles in his launch
Ex:- Gojira Generations.(Godzilla)
"(...)The Xbox will tank in Japan. Sorry for the massive generalization, but the Japanese do not like foreign products, nor do they like buying the "2nd place" product. (ex. 3D0, N64)(...)"
>Yes but for be in 1st place the machine need to be brought by someone, and then it beacome in the 1st place.
The Emperor returns from his tomb an this time Itīs forever for see de best games of the Greats Capcom and the new SNK for see the truth.
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| ONSLAUGHT 1486th Post
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| "Something to think..." , posted Tue 26 Feb 18:42
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" Woah! Lets not start a flame war. The cafe is such a nice place."
Yeah, I agree with you, MMcafe is such a nice place, and now it gets infested with crap like a console war...
I don't want this to turn into some flame war, it's not necessary...
Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony doesn't give a shit about us, then why are we defending them like if they were our very own mothers?
Nintendo is no saint, do you think they are a company that only complaces their fans? they're only after one single thing: MONEY!
Yeah, same goes to MS and Sony, they are not working for the love of art you know?
It maybe will sound silly or corny, but I think we're like brothers, and fighting for stupid things like this saddens me...
And stop thinking that Bill Gates is a demon(I'm not defending it, don't get me wrong), he's only a bussinessman that got his work well known, do you have any idea of how many people does the same than him and they never get catched? Just think about it for a while...
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| ninjabastard 448th Post
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| "Hey prove wrong. But do it right" , posted Tue 26 Feb 19:27
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" quote:" Woah! Lets not start a flame war. The cafe is such a nice place."
Yeah, I agree with you, MMcafe is such a nice place, and now it gets infested with crap like a console war...
I don't want this to turn into some flame war, it's not necessary...
Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony doesn't give a shit about us, then why are we defending them like if they were our very own mothers?
Nintendo is no saint, do you think they are a company that only complaces their fans? they're only after one single thing: MONEY!
Yeah, same goes to MS and Sony, they are not working for the love of art you know?
It maybe will sound silly or corny, but I think we're like brothers, and fighting for stupid things like this saddens me...
And stop thinking that Bill Gates is a demon(I'm not defending it, don't get me wrong), he's only a bussinessman that got his work well known, do you have any idea of how many people does the same than him and they never get catched? Just think about it for a while...
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True. But I was more pissed off at the fact he just insulted more than rebulted. I still think Nintendo is making it hard to be GAMECUBE fan right now. There really isn't that much coming out. Prove me wrong please, I need a reason I waited in line on launch day for system I play less than my X-box(which also doesn't get much play). I never said I hated Nintendo. Well, maybe the prez(fucking no square intill he leaves. Man what moron) I love the Gameboy Adv man. SF2, Super mario, adv wars, etc. I but still hate Sony's tactics more. MS is evil. I said that too. But, they are the only US company that has a chance to make it. Can you see any American game company doing well in the world now? Even a Japanesse company like Sega dies now. Innovation isn't happening in Japan. Check out the econmy right now in Japan(sorry I know cheap shot, but give me a sec). There at least a trillion dollars in bad loans and cruption up the ass, but nothing is being done. Even on Bush's trip to Japan he was pushing for reform. But, it's just not in the culture for major change. There needs to be change in how people do business in everything.
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| Luisinan
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| "Re(1):Hey prove wrong. But do it right" , posted Tue 26 Feb 22:31
Well, just a few things. I'm replying to several different posts in one post.
1. The Japanese DC launch did suck. But the American DC launch was the best console launch of all time (in terms of quality of games). The X-Box US launch was okay, but not super duper fantastic. Not in comparison to the DC launch. The DC sold well in the US. It was Sega of Japan's financial problems that killed the dreamcast. The dreamcast was doing GREAT under the leadership of Sega of America.
2. EA. Even though EA is not popular in Japan, they are HUGE. I think they might even be bigger then Namco, Square and Capcom.
Nonetheless, just because EA supports a console doesn't mean that the console will be successful. I honestly think that for a console to be popular ANYWHERE, you need the Japanese. Someone said that the Japanese aren't making good games anymore. It doesn't matter. Square, Namco, Sega, Konami, Enix, Capcom are too powerful. If they ignore you, you are dead. It doesn't matter if you have all best US and European game developers on your side. Its all about Japan.
Which leads to this. The X-Box right now has mild Japanese game dev. support- but I predict that this support will always be second to support for a Japanese console. Meaning that X-Box will rarely get really exclusive games. DOA3 was special exception. But remember what happened to DOA2 for the DC. Namco is a funny company.
All of this doesn't really matter cause everyone here seems to be really open to all the consoles. But I guess I like to argue. ;)
3. My comment on there can only be #1 in Japan. True the PS1 and the PS2 weren't always number one. But once the general public decided that the Saturn was the "loser" console, it was all about Sony. There is nothing that can stop Sony now. They got the console war on lock down. The only way Sony could be dethroned is if the major game devs went to another console or Sony hardware were to become really bad (the PS2 does have some problems but not in large volumes.)
I don't know what was the deciding factor on the PS1. But there you have it. Almost no one had a good reason for buying a PS2 on launch date, in Japan or the US. The games weren't that great.
Alright i guess I'm finished! ;)
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| RugalBernstein 1313th Post
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| "Re(1):Hey prove wrong. But do it right" , posted Tue 26 Feb 20:58
There are a number of flaws within your argument... while it's true, the Japanese economy is in a state right now, the people really ARE getting fed up. It's largely been a " cushioned " recession, that is, the average Japanese hasn't been hit too hard by it, but they're getting out of patience with talking-head politicians. Throughout history, the Japanese have actually been an extremely flexible and adaptive people; they were able to modernize their country after the Meiji restoration in a startling timeframe, just as an example. They've been through worse, without argument, and they'll go through worse again. But they'll cope.
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| Satoshi_Miwa 511th Post
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| "Penny Arcade is good, clean, family fun!" , posted Tue 26 Feb 20:58
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" 'Tis true, Juan. I recall seeing Diablo 2 for sale in Japan... As it is, we're no better than these two:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-02-12
Thank you, Satoshi! ^_^
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Penny Arcade is always full of fun game strips like this, and heck...They like Garou (Gabe and tycho have a Rock Howard poster, that's just cool...:)
As for system wars, it doesn't really matter what the system is. All that matters is the games and how much fun you have playing them
Less you just wanna have something to show of to the neighbors.  (Miwa: Why look Billy, I got the new dangfangled Sony Cube-Box 3, which is shaped like a tree. Billy: Looks cool, Miwa, looks cool...)
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| Fou - Lu
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|  "Re(1):xpox new game (box cover pic)"
, posted Tue 26 Feb 19:10:
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quote:"" Yes but some bad games has great covers, and overwise.
Donīt judge a game by his cover.
Man... we need here the Professor. Ebichman please come to help us!
The Emperor returns from his tomb an this time Itīs forever for see de best games of the Greats Capcom and the new SNK for see the truth.
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