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Juan

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"Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:31

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.

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Toxico

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:10

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Come on... I knew it had to be the Dog av man... I only believe that they are coming up with a lot of anime because the huge economical reach it has... to make it come out quick they do not think that much... but there is bond to be crazy... er, I mean original people that can come with some fresh meat to big monkey daddy...

This phenomenal has happened in a lot of industries.

Satoshi_Miwa

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 18:07

quote:
" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.
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Read it, ignored it...This reminds me of the stuff people used to say in the 60's about rock and the Beatles (That it wasn't like music in the old days).

Sure there are some recycled ideas and plots (hey, it happens everywhere) and anime that should of never been made. But there are still quality series and movies being made (Jin-Roh, Metropolis, RoD), and as long as they continued to be made any genre is still worthwhile...

holiday

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 17:27

quote:
" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.
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Neh, don't really agree with him.
There are lots of new and original anime
(Now and Then, Here and There? :), although
lots of old anime formulas are being
constantly rehashed.
But that doesn't matter! Original or not, if
the story is told well and the characters
likable, that's more than enough to make me
happy.

And imagine what the industry will be like
in a decade or so. We've come so far in
terms of storytelling and animation since
stuff like Speed Racer and Astro Boy :)

Miyazaki doesn't like all the violence
and fan serbisu compared to his "wholesome"
productions?

<watches people getting their heads shot off
in Mononoke Hime>

And he also comments on people becoming more
and more obsessed with anime?

<looks at the flood of Studio Ghibli
merchandise in the market>

RugalBernstein

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"Re(2):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 17:36

Heh. It's a " back in my day... " sort of rant. I.E., everything used to be so great, and now it's all going to hell. Seems older folks do this no matter what culture or country they're from. ^_^

Rid Hershel

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 16:56

quote:
" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.
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Nah, it isn't.
Anime never was really original, and lately is getting better in my opinion...

Gen
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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 15:57

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I am with old master Miyazaki on this. Old people are wise. I think you can get what I mean from reading the artical so I don't have to write an essay

quote:
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"Why don't people debate what effect this is having on our children?" asked Mr Miyazaki.
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quote:
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"I wonder why there are so many films that contain so much violence and feature sexual content.

"I think there is a chance that the spread of Japanese animation overseas might only lead to embarrassment."

The director even cast doubt on the value of his own films, saying that his work - and animated films in general - could be robbing Japanese children of the time to experience life.

Watching animated films for four or five hours could stifle creativity, he said, describing the situation as "a true dilemma for me".

"People read comics in trains even when they become adults.

"Major newspapers praise the sales achieved by video games.

"Why don't people debate what effect this is having on our children?" asked Mr Miyazaki.
"

RugalBernstein

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"Re(2):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 16:16

If anything, I think it encourages creativity. People who simply absorb and regurgitate factual information are little more than machines, and they generally don't demonstrate much in the way of cleverness or " free thinking " . One needs to take a break from reality, especially if your own personal reality sucks. -_-

Dr Baghead

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 14:19

Doesn't a statement like that normally lead to a retirement statemen or something? It's normally a faux pa to say something is evil then continue working in the field.

(and BS on animation, comics, and videogames stiffling creativity. I grew up on that stuff and I'm as creative as the next lad!)

ONSLAUGHT

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"well..." , posted Wed 20 Feb 11:04

quote:
" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.
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Mmmhh... controversial declarations...
But well, we all live in this enviroment, I mean, we all read comics, watch anime, play videogames and stuff, and most of us are creative and with our very own criteria (minus some jerks like the minions from the spoony bard...).
The anime is at dead end? hardly, in America, anime is getting the attention that it got in Japan since the first time, and it's getting stronger every time.

Damn, this anime is killing my neurones! I can't think of more nonsense to babble about...

RugalBernstein

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:48

Eh, it's just one man's opinion. That doesn't make it gospel. Films have always been about copying other films. ^_^ It's the way it was, and the way it will be.

Juan

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"Re(2):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:51

But this is *THE MAN*.

:)

quote:
" Eh, it's just one man's opinion. That doesn't make it gospel. Films have always been about copying other films. ^_^ It's the way it was, and the way it will be.
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RugalBernstein

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"Re(3):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:59:

" The Man " , eh? Like Johnny ( 10 points for anybody who knows what I'm talking about ) Ha ha ha, it could also be viewed in that since his works are so successful, he can criticize pretty much anybody else because it's gone to his head. Personally, I've enjoyed many " newer " anime than older ones. He seems to be an older fellow, and this is probably just an aspect of this sense of " exasperation " many older Japanese have with the direction their country is heading...

[this message was edited by RugalBernstein on Wed 20 Feb 11:08]

Freeter

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"Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 12:00

quote:
" " The Man " , eh? Like Johnny ( 10 points for anybody who knows what I'm talking about )"

Johnny Carson?

Anyways, that doesn't sound too different from most movies here in the US. Most films are usually R-rated, with violence and sexual content. My advice:

Don't let your kids see it.

It's as simple as that.

RugalBernstein

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"Re(1):Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:16

Not Johnny Carson.... think " bikes " . ^_^

Freeter

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"Re(2):Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:17

quote:
" Not Johnny Carson.... think " bikes " . ^_^
"

Johnny Bravo?

RugalBernstein

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"Re(3):Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:20

Can't say I know who he is. Think " time travel " ... and " robots " ... ^_^

holiday

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"Re(4):Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:28

quote:
" Can't say I know who he is. Think " time travel " ... and " robots " ... ^_^
"

The Johnny biker from Chrono Trigger?

RugalBernstein

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"Re(5):Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:36

Exactly! ^_^ Good job, Holiday! You get some free doujinshi in your FTP when it is free again? ( what? You say I was already going to do that? ) ^_^

holiday

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"Re(6):Man" , posted Wed 20 Feb 20:54

quote:
" Exactly! ^_^ Good job, Holiday! You get some free doujinshi in your FTP when it is free again? ( what? You say I was already going to do that? ) ^_^
"

Haha, it'll be free hopefully on the 1st week of March. Just a few more days :)

dorikyasu
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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:44

quote:
" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.
"

copycat generation, indeed... Maybe that explains my diminished interest in anime as of late.

Iron D

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"Re(1):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:41

quote:
" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/film/newsid_1829000/1829431.stm

Read it.
"

No.

Juan

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"Re(2):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:43

You should, its good for you! It has vitamins and minerals!

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No.
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Iron D

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"Re(3):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 10:45

quote:
" You should, its good for you! It has vitamins and minerals!
"

Uh, I don't trust you. It must be poison...or cat tuna....

Professor

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"Re(4):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 11:28

Though it's not in that translated article, Miyazaki also mentions that Evangelion director Anno calls himself "The first of the copy generation", so that would make the generations after him, actually copies of copies.

I don't know what to really make of this since "Anime" itself isn't an original to begin with- it's a derivative from American Animation. Don't take me wrong, but imo, Miyazaki is "getting old".. that is, he's trying to apply his own values to the upcoming generations.

Let's Have a Bear Hug.

Juan

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"Re(5):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 11:37

He also kinda sounds like a dad nagging to his son about his crazy music and how good and pure it used to be during his youth on the part where he talks about violence.

Say, wheres that freaky bear from???

quote:
" Though it's not in that translated article, Miyazaki also mentions that Evangelion director Anno calls himself "The first of the copy generation", so that would make the generations after him, actually copies of copies.

I don't know what to really make of this since "Anime" itself isn't an original to begin with- it's a derivative from American Animation. Don't take me wrong, but imo, Miyazaki is "getting old".. that is, he's trying to apply his own values to the upcoming generations.
"

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Time Mage
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"Re(6):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 11:58

quote:
" He also kinda sounds like a dad nagging to his son about his crazy music and how good and pure it used to be during his youth on the part where he talks about violence.

Say, wheres that freaky bear from???

quote:" Though it's not in that translated article, Miyazaki also mentions that Evangelion director Anno calls himself "The first of the copy generation", so that would make the generations after him, actually copies of copies.

I don't know what to really make of this since "Anime" itself isn't an original to begin with- it's a derivative from American Animation. Don't take me wrong, but imo, Miyazaki is "getting old".. that is, he's trying to apply his own values to the upcoming generations.
"
"

Yes, that's what I've thought wen i've read the article. He looks like an old man remembring old times. But it could be also that Miyazaki is pessimist. Some people are pessimist even if they're proven wrong or they're doing great things, as he does.

Time has come... crash down on the wicked! Meteor!

Shin ATproof
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"Re(7):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 13:43

You people realize that it's said that Miyazaki is supposed to be a major prick...this statement of his doesn't surprise me one bit.

"Kore ga...Kusanagi no ken da!!!"
" I AM GODZILLA...YOU ARE JAPAN!!!"

RugalBernstein

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"Re(8):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 17:04

quote:
" You people realize that it's said that Miyazaki is supposed to be a major prick...this statement of his doesn't surprise me one bit.
"

Actually, I HAVE heard this, before...

pointystick

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"Re(9):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 17:40

The "embarassment" bit I kind of agree with him on. If the only output of my country the rest of the world saw was DBZ, Pokemon and hentai, I'd be embarassed too.

RugalBernstein

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"Re(10):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 17:43:

Why? BTW, the U.S. doesn't equal " the world " . Other countries get much better anime releases than the U.S.

[this message was edited by RugalBernstein on Wed 20 Feb 17:44]

Rid Hershel

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"Re(2):Re(10):Japanese animation at dead end." , posted Wed 20 Feb 17:53

Gasaraki, BGC2040, Bebop, Evangelion, Escaflowne, Blue Seed, Those who Hunt Elves, Silent Mobius, AiKa, Saber Marionette (the three series), Soul Hunter... just some of the series I can see in tv here in Argentina.